How are the women in the Dominican Republic?

[POPNYChic]

hehe not necessarily you (commitment-phobe) but you know that applies to MANY.

oh and as far the "cute" term..seriously, there are a whole lot of good-looking women here in general. we all know that. so its not far fetched at all. i wont vie for their personalities because we also all know thats where things usually get muddled being that we're all so different. whats good for the goose is not necessarily good for the gander. whatever.

also, it depends what woman is judging another by their looks. we are not monolithic. im partially in the business of finding hot women so my criteria are different than those of most women.

oh and as for your thoughts on gold diggers, i agree....but sometimes theres such a fine line some dont even care. all the DR chicks with mansions in the hills could tell you that. some dudes see it as all the same. some dont. diff strokes, for diff folks.

im just sayin....you cant get it all for nothing and women everywhere often want similar things because theyre all human. that is all.

 

[Jimmydr]

2nd that Yimi! Many you meet will not have jobs, they may be ambitious and want to work...but you know, even Luck is unemployed in DR.

One chica I know, had a nice commisioned job but her boss felt, she hit her ceiling so he stopped paying. I am sure there are two sides to that story.

 

[RacerX]

hehe not necessarily you (commitment-phobe) but you know that applies to MANY.

oh and as far the "cute" term..seriously, there are a whole lot of good-looking women here in general. we all know that. so its not far fetched at all. i wont vie for their personalities because we also all know thats where things usually get muddled being that we're all so different. whats good for the goose is not necessarily good for the gander. whatever.

also, it depends what woman is judging another by their looks. we are not monolithic. im partially in the business of finding hot women so my criteria are different than those of most women.

oh and as for your thoughts on gold diggers, i agree....but sometimes theres such a fine line some dont even care. all the DR chicks with mansions in the hills could tell you that. some dudes see it as all the same. some dont. diff strokes, for diff folks.

im just sayin....you cant get it all for nothing and women everywhere often want similar things because theyre all human. that is all.

"...partially in the business of finding hot women..." lets here more about that!

About the gold diggers, I m havent seen any ones from mansions in the hills. I have found the most best women are the humblest women who have their own house, however modest(could use a wall of paint), a little hooptie(what do you expect for $400?), however modest. The most selfish ones are usually the ones whose eyes are bigger than their stomach with nothing to offer but physical beauty. Not a good match. These are the ones that live in la casilla detras la casa que frenta la calle. They thnk life is like Cinderella, they can write themselves into a life of affluence and prosperity as easy as putting on a pair of glass slippers. It aint necessarily so...
Get it all for nothing...thats my motto.

YouTube - Sade - Soldier of Love

 

[RacerX]

One chica I know, had a nice commisioned job but her boss felt, she hit her ceiling so he stopped paying. I am sure there are two sides to that story.

Yea, either he wanted to hit it and she turned him down so he fired her OR he got tired of hitting it and wanted something new so he fired her.

 

[Jimmydr]

Yea, either he wanted to hit it and she turned him down so he fired her OR he got tired of hitting it and wanted something new so he fired her.

Bottom line, at age 28, she has limited options.

 

[RacerX]

Bottom line, at age 28, she has limited options.

Explain yourself Yimi? I really want to know, because I got a friend who is 43 and thats all I hear from her. She cannot get a job because she is too old. I m trying to help her out but not be overwhelmed by sob stories. I pay her to clean my apartment, cook me breakfast and wash my clothes. Its not charity and I get what I need done done.
So how did your friend bottom out at 28 years old?

 

[Jimmydr]

Explain yourself Yimi? I really want to know, because I got a friend who is 43 and thats all I hear from her. She cannot get a job because she is too old. I m trying to help her out but not be overwhelmed by sob stories. I pay her to clean my apartment, cook me breakfast and wash my clothes. Its not charity and I get what I need done done.
So how did your friend bottom out at 28 years old?

Most male employers want women to work for them and sleep with them as well. There is a massive supply from age 18-27.


Its all about the perks.

 

[RacerX]

Most male employers want women to work for them and sleep with them as well. There is a massive supply from age 18-27.


Its all about the perks.

Whats the success ratio in that? Because with all the unemployed and underemployed women(forgetting the men for this moment) it must not be that successful.
But then again, desperate people will resort to desperate measures.

 

[greydread]

unlimit the options...

Whats the success ratio in that? Because with all the unemployed and underemployed women(forgetting the men for this moment) it must not be that successful.
But then again, desperate people will resort to desperate measures.

This is the problem with a place with hordes of beautiful, undereducated females. They can get by on their looks for awhile but there's a fresh crop every year who are equally beautiful and yes, equally undereducated but younger and usually with less baggage (as in dependents, debt, etc.). There are many Dominican women between 25-40 who are recruited into the sex industries in Europe, Latin America and the Caribbean because their value in their own country has been diminished by the relative value of those younger women and they still have mouths to feed or dreams to fulfill.

Educate a man and you enable that man. Educate a woman and you've enabled a family. The woman will make sure that her education is passed along to her children and that they achieve at least her level of potential. This was the emphasis in Hugo Chavez' national literacy campaign and for all his faults in other policies, the positive effect of the quality of life for average Venezuelans cannot be denied. Don't believe me? Take a trip to Aruba. The beaches, casinos and clubs which historically entertained old Dutch and Americans are now catering to throngs of a new, young Venezuelan emerging middle class.

The old notion that despots used to stay in power (if they can't count, they won't know how much we're stealing) creates a cycle of poverty for generations. It's time to break that cycle in the Dominican Republic and solid educational preparation (especially for its women) is the hammer that will do this.

 

[Jimmydr]

Whats the success ratio in that? Because with all the unemployed and underemployed women(forgetting the men for this moment) it must not be that successful.
But then again, desperate people will resort to desperate measures.

The male employers are very happy.

 

[RacerX]

This is the problem with a place with hordes of beautiful, undereducated females. They can get by on their looks for awhile but there's a fresh crop every year who are equally beautiful and yes, equally undereducated but younger and usually with less baggage (as in dependents, debt, etc.). There are many Dominican women between 25-40 who are recruited into the sex industries in Europe, Latin America and the Caribbean because their value in their own country has been diminished by the relative value of those younger women and they still have mouths to feed or dreams to fulfill.

Educate a man and you enable that man. Educate a woman and you've enabled a family. The woman will make sure that her education is passed along to her children and that they achieve at least her level of potential. This was the emphasis in Hugo Chavez' national literacy campaign and for all his faults in other policies, the positive effect of the quality of life for average Venezuelans cannot be denied. Don't believe me? Take a trip to Aruba. The beaches, casinos and clubs which historically entertained old Dutch and Americans are now catering to throngs of a new, young Venezuelan emerging middle class.

The old notion that despots used to stay in power (if they can't count, they won't know how much we're stealing) creates a cycle of poverty for generations. It's time to break that cycle in the Dominican Republic and solid educational preparation (especially for its women) is the hammer that will do this.

I like what you say bro and I want to subscribe to your newsletter. No, but seriously...This was a policy from UNICEF with to African development also. They determined that by concentrating their efforts on females they would and could make the society more stable and decrease poverty exponentially. This is also the core strategy behind Micro-Loans in India and Southeast Asia. Set up an enterprise where you loan a woman $132 and she buys a cart and the sells popsicles or meat patties or whatever, and therefore she is entrepreneurial. Loan a woman $95 to buy a sewing machine and an iron board and now she can have her own tailor/laundry in her house. The rate of success is generally good, albeit no one is interested because of the small amounts of money involved, hence the profits are almost nil. But as a humanitarian experiment, I love it.

Now before we go painting some people with broad strokes. Of these undereducated young women...how many of them DONT want education vs. how many of them CANNOT get access to it. These would be hypotheticals because no one has absolute numbers. Additionally how many of them pick the wrong thing to study once they have access to education. I got a young friend who told me she is studying tourism at UTESA. What good will that do? You should be studying something that is in need in your present environment. Something that cannot be outsourced or downsized. Something that gives you an edge against limpdick bosses who want to sleep with you in order to get the job. <---My 2 cents.

 

[POPNYChic]

You should be studying something that is in need in your present environment. Something that cannot be outsourced or downsized.

Right....but in the DR....what the heck kinda career fits that bill? Other than education and medicine which we all know are not in any way secure here. I think thats the problem. There isnt enough industry to sustain all of the people who need to work so practically any higher education focus can seem fruitless depending on how you look at it.

Oh and Ageism is very much rampant in the DR. You will find tons of accounts of it. Thats a known fact, sadly. Pair that with overt sexism and yep, you do get a bunch of women resorting to desperate measures to get what they want and need.

I have a bunch of aunts who are eager to work and havent been able to since they got to about 35-ish. At that point, the younger, prettier girls took precedent and they have been SOL ever since. Few manage to keep working past 40. Its an extremely common sob story.

I am happy there are many, many women at least attempting to get an education. That used to be left to the men.

In fact, many women my age were still held back in that sense. Its still common for families with modest incomes to fund their sons educations rather than their daughters if they only have the money for one. Or they will send the son off to PUCMM in STI and leave the daughter in UTESA in POP. It happens alot and, in a certain sense, you almost cant blame them, given the fact that the sons will undoubtedly have more chances to succeed overall.

Though we've progressed over the last few decades we still have a ways to go.

 

[greydread]

.....how many of them DONT want education vs. how many of them CANNOT get access to it. .....Additionally how many of them pick the wrong thing to study once they have access to education. ...You should be studying something that is in need in your present environment. Something that cannot be outsourced or downsized. Something that gives you an edge against limpdick bosses who want to sleep with you in order to get the job. <---My 2 cents.

Great points. I have people in the NGO business and am familiar with their frustrations. It's important though to ensure the opportunity exists for the willing. Vocational training is a good thing but it's really, really important to get the whole K-12 thing going as soon as possible (full time, by 1st World standards).

I helped a friend establish a free email account in the D.R. and I was astonished as I watched her frustration mount as she stumbled through the process. Here's an intelligent 40 year old Women who was, for all intent and purpose functionally illiterate...in her own language. I've seen this frustration in many of the people I've met there. There's enough money flowing into the D.R. to fix this and the government should be held directly accountable for raising the education levels.

The D.R.'s officially stated literacy rate is 87%.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/dr.html

I'd like to know how they determined this. It's been my experience that the best way to get someone lost in there is to write down directions. There's a big difference between "I can read a stop sign" literacy and "I can comprehend the instructions for assembling a Barbie Doll Dream House" literacy.

They list the official school life expectancy as 13 years for females as compared to 12 years for males. What they don't list is how many hours a week they are in classes. I wonder how much of the (3.6% of the GDP) $ makes it into the classroom.

I spent a lot of time researching the facts of every place in the World that I've been to and I gotta say it out loud. The published facts about the Dominican are the among worst sets of distorted statistics that I am aware of, having seen much to the contrary of what was written before the end of my very first trip there. I've seen nothing since to change my mind.

With a significant and growing Dominican population in the U.S. I think it's in our own best interest to help the D.R. take care of the needs of it's citizens but that doesn't mean throwing money at the problem without accountability for every cent and clearly defined deliverables.




Sorry for the rant....inequity bothers the hell outta me. You'd think I'd learn by now.

 

[RacerX]

Right....but in the DR....what the heck kinda career fits that bill? Other than education and medicine which we all know are not in any way secure here. I think thats the problem. There isnt enough industry to sustain all of the people who need to work so practically any higher education focus can seem fruitless depending on how you look at it.

Oh and Ageism is very much rampant in the DR. You will find tons of accounts of it. Thats a known fact, sadly. Pair that with overt sexism and yep, you do get a bunch of women resorting to desperate measures to get what they want and need.

I have a bunch of aunts who are eager to work and havent been able to since they got to about 35-ish. At that point, the younger, prettier girls took precedent and they have been SOL ever since. Few manage to keep working past 40. Its an extremely common sob story.

I am happy there are many, many women at least attempting to get an education. That used to be left to the men.

In fact, many women my age were still held back in that sense. Its still common for families with modest incomes to fund their sons educations rather than their daughters if they only have the money for one. Or they will send the son off to PUCMM in STI and leave the daughter in UTESA in POP. It happens alot and, in a certain sense, you almost cant blame them, given the fact that the sons will undoubtedly have more chances to succeed overall.

Though we've progressed over the last few decades we still have a ways to go.

OK POP, apart from a compassionate sugar daddy what do the women hear need? You re immersed in the society with them, so you can see it from near and afar. What do they need? Apart from gender equality which is self taught fight. If you want access to those things you re going to have to fight for them.

Now I know your being facetious when you ask what kind of career fits the bill. But I dont get it. Let me ask you guys something...What do you pensively think will happen the DR economy when Cuba opens up? I mean Fidel is 8?-plus, Raul is 80, these younger Commies dont have a clue how to proceed and most likely the Chinese model will become the basis for progression. I mean I think it will take a while for the economy to catch up to the DR in the segment of tourism but it is a highly literate country with better gender equality than here as compared to what Grey has said. I know it aint exactly paritous like Sweden or something but it sounds like women have absolutely no potential here. This cannot be true. There has to be something more than being a big butt sweetie and a kind and endearing mother to complement my life, if I were a woman.

 

[RacerX]

Great points. I have people in the NGO business and am familiar with their frustrations. It's important though to ensure the opportunity exists for the willing. Vocational training is a good thing but it's really, really important to get the whole K-12 thing going as soon as possible (full time, by 1st World standards).

I helped a friend establish a free email account in the D.R. and I was astonished as I watched her frustration mount as she stumbled through the process. Here's an intelligent 40 year old Women who was, for all intent and purpose functionally illiterate...in her own language. I've seen this frustration in many of the people I've met there. There's enough money flowing into the D.R. to fix this and the government should be held directly accountable for raising the education levels.

The D.R.'s officially stated literacy rate is 87%.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/dr.html

I'd like to know how they determined this. It's been my experience that the best way to get someone lost in there is to write down directions. There's a big difference between "I can read a stop sign" literacy and "I can comprehend the instructions for assembling a Barbie Doll Dream House" literacy.

They list the official school life expectancy as 13 years for females as compared to 12 years for males. What they don't list is how many hours a week they are in classes. I wonder how much of the (3.6% of the GDP) $ makes it into the classroom.

I spent a lot of time researching the facts of every place in the World that I've been to and I gotta say it out loud. The published facts about the Dominican are the among worst sets of distorted statistics that I am aware of, having seen much to the contrary of what was written before the end of my very first trip there. I've seen nothing since to change my mind.

With a significant and growing Dominican population in the U.S. I think it's in our own best interest to help the D.R. take care of the needs of it's citizens but that doesn't mean throwing money at the problem without accountability for every cent and clearly defined deliverables.




Sorry for the rant....inequity bothers the hell outta me. You'd think I'd learn by now.

i don t mind the rant. who knew the yellow brick road could leave pebbles between your toes. I dont think its the inequity, because it has always existed and its everywhere, but its the ability on inability or disinterest of doing anything about it.
i am not sure the dominican population in the usa can do much to alleviate the situation. Isnt Leonel from NY? Isnt he the dude in the spot because the Bush Administration didnt like Mejia? Didnt they figure they could keep Leonel "in the pocket" in pimp parlance? And as a result why would they care? His job is to sell all the waterfront property and greenspace to the tourism industry. People want timeshares, beachfront hotels, international airports, and now...sex tourism.

I want to ask HillBilly because he said he was here since 1962 the sentiment of the populace at that time. He was also an outsider looking in so he could posit the downfall of Trujillo, the imposition of Castro and the Kennedy Administration in an interesting perspective. And while keeping it on point, we are still talking about the role of women in society. I remember an interview I heard sometime on Public radio where this guy was a retired sailor with the US Navy and he was stationed in Cuba in 1959. He said one day(while the govt was under Bautista) he was in a bar and he was propositioned by a prostitute. He took a step back and saw she was 9 months pregnant. He thought to himself the kind of government that allows this to happen to its citizens doesnt deserve to exist. So he finished by saying he "aint got a bad word to say about Castro."

Now with respect to DR this is worrisome because we are entering a global marketplace and the countries that will become the least stable are those who are not preparing the populace to play in it. I understand that "dont teach them anything and they wont know what we are REALLY doing" AND "Who will depose us to put in whom? Those people cannot even read"


Damn POP you have made me a concerned and compassionate womanizer. How do I go on?

 

[POPNYChic]

lol cap'n-save-a-h*es arent really NEEDED. but you have to admit given the circumstances they sure do come in handy. too handy, even but...

what we, as a whole, men and women, need is for the gubmint to give a crap about education, period. and thats not gonna happen until enough people are educated enough to know what to do about it, from the looks of it. leaving it to them hasnt done much.

reminds me of beavis and butthead: dont go to school coz i dont have a gun, dont have a gun coz i dont have a job, dont have a job coz i dont go to school.....its a circle of madness.

guaranteed if education in the DR was approached like it has been in Cuba, the golddiggers and sankies wouldnt be anywhere near as abundant because there'd be much less of a draw. people would have other ways to get what they want.

this crap of a gubmint needs to be knocked down and put back together again piece by piece. i know this. you know this. but most people here really dont and they cant even be blamed for not knowing.

cuba is opening up but there have been a bunch of islands around here forever. its not as if we had some kind of monopoly on caribbean tourism or industry. most of latin america is behind. its just the historical cards we were dealt and only time and dedication will fix it.

what are women in the DR? what can they be? depends. some are driven career women. most arent because they cant or they just dont believe its their place. we're a developing country..... lots of things cant fully bloom as of yet...but some people still make it work. so basically its not that theres NOTHING here for women, its just that its much more difficult than it should be for everyone and that has lead to certain kinds of predatory methods (the developed world also has its own predatory methods but we're just talking about the DR).

so yeah i dunno. que viva la revolucion.....?

 

[RacerX]

Last night, my friend who cleans my pad told me she told her friends about me and they said to her that they could never hang out with me unless I was giving them money. And they would want 3000 pesos just to hang out. But that is bogosity. It assumes on their part that they are absolutely mind-blowing(which in itself is a subjective term, what you may like I may not) and undeniable. They figure they will show up, give me perky lips, perky boobs, a thong and tight jeans and I m going to go bananas like a Warner Brothers cartoon where my eyes pop out of my head and in the background you hear an "Aoooga!" But what if it doesnt work? "He s gay."
So when you turn them down because they didnt really rationalize that their approach may have been low class or they just maybe boring, stupid or unattractive, because after all who really likes a ghetto girl with a big mouth who has nothing interesting to talk about? I thought it was funny though because they had convinced her that what they said made sense and that she should be like that too. I asked her in response "How do they know they wouldnt just get screwed and booted?" Seriously?
Thats another thing I dont like...women who arent in the know seem to give or seek advice from other women who arent in the know. How does that make sense? Its like the blind leading the blind. How are you going to realistically take advice from someone who has no idea of what they are speaking about? And then who takes the blame when the outcome is wrong?

Mind you, if we are going out somewhere I m paying, thats cool. But its out of sorts to think that you are going to hustle me for gifts, because you re pretty. I had another friend who, when I explained my frugality, told me that "white guys give money" as though I should be envious of this. I didnt even bother to explain to her that those guys arent interested in relationships, this is Fantasy Island to those guys. They are entertaining themselves with you. And at the end of the episode they get back on the plane and go back home. Needless to say she didnt come around anymore. "You will never understand the Dominican woman."

 

[MrsNavaV]

From my experience Dominican Women are as follows: passionate, stubborn, and very money-minded! I married into a Dominican family so I know a few* pretty well!! They have their good sides and bad sides but the most prominent thing I can tell you about them is look out for their tempers! Hell know no fury like a DOMINICAN woman scorned!!

 

[bob saunders]

guaranteed if education in the DR was approached like it has been in Cuba, the gold diggers and sankies wouldnt be anywhere near as abundant because there'd be much less of a draw. people would have other ways to get what they want.


so yeah i dunno. que viva la revolucion.....?

Have you ever been to Cuba? There are plenty of Sankies and gold-diggers there- maybe even more than the DR. There are prostitutes and waitresses with Degrees in the Paradise created by Comrade Castro. Certainly Cuban education is more organized than the DR, but the government also controls what you learn, at least in the early grades. My sister-in-law was a math and Music teacher in Cuba until rescued by my brother. Castro gets good cash to sell(marry) Cuban women off to foreigners. They then send money back to their families, which of course put less of a burden on the state to provide. What Cuba does better than the DR is Birth Control both in sex education and legalized and free abortions.

 

[POPNYChic]

Have you ever been to Cuba? There are plenty of Sankies and gold-diggers there- maybe even more than the DR. There are prostitutes and waitresses with Degrees in the Paradise created by Comrade Castro. Certainly Cuban education is more organized than the DR, but the government also controls what you learn, at least in the early grades. My sister-in-law was a math and Music teacher in Cuba until rescued by my brother. Castro gets good cash to sell(marry) Cuban women off to foreigners. They then send money back to their families, which of course put less of a burden on the state to provide. What Cuba does better than the DR is Birth Control both in sex education and legalized and free abortions.

I see your point and it goes well with this part of my earlier post:

I think thats the problem. There isnt enough industry to sustain all of the people who need to work so practically any higher education focus can seem fruitless depending on how you look at it.

The same applies for Cuba. If the people do not have anywhere to work and make the kind of money they need, they resort to desperate measures.

I have been wracking my brain as of late trying to come up with some kind of business endeavor that could provide jobs and the industrial boost POP (or insert your favorite town here) needs. I wish I could help the people in that sense....But of course theres no magic solution and I do not have endless money. *sighs* Thats what they need. Education and JOBS that will make a difference in their lives and the community as a whole. Tourism is just not cutting it.