Wind Energy in the DR would induce economic, environmental and social benefits.

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This was sent to me by a Dominican student, studying in the USA.

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Wind Energy would induce economic, environmental, and social benefits bringing new light to the D.R's progress.

Author: Marcos Vidal, Dominican, student at Stanford University, California.

Energy is the fundamental catalyst for the development of nations. Without energy, societies are bound to stop growing and eventually decay to nothing. Developing nations, like the Dominican Republic, face many socio-economic issues as they push for progress. ?Energy is one of the crucial inputs for socio-economic development? (Mathew 1). According to Volkmar Lauber, professor at the University of Salzburg, Austria, in order for developing nations to achieve sustainable development and alleviate poverty, they must provide access to affordable energy services (83). The proper and sustainable supply of energy is essential to provide a solid foundation for growth for nations like the Dominican Republic. Inadequate energy supply is an invitation for roadblocks and unnecessary struggles that would deter the potential of a nations ability to develop. The Dominican Republic, unfortunately, is a nation that has an inadequate energy supply.

The Dominican Republic suffers from energy supply problems that thwart development for the Dominican people. One of the energy troubles is the lack of supply, and as a result of this deficiency, ?power outages have affected the country dramatically, causing social unrest and private sector claims. During 2008, an average power of 374 MW was demanded monthly and not met? (GTZ 82). Lauber states that a ?lack of clean and affordable energy has serious consequences for health, quality of life, and the economy? (84). The National Commission of Energy (NCE) effectively describes how not only is there a lack of energy, but there is a ?vicious circle? of cycling financial crisis among distribution companies, lack of investment in energy sources, and constant failure in energy bill payments and fraud (60). Also, high dependency on oil, loss of trust from private investors and consumers, and expensive tariffs on energy prices are issues that accumulate onto the list of energy supply problems in the Dominican Republic (NCE 60). In addition, of the 3,191 MW that fed the electric grid in 2009, 84% came from fossil fuels, mainly from petroleum based sources that the nation does not produce (GTZ 82). This means the nation relies on an imported, expensive, and pollutant source that will impede any goal to achieve a sustainable method for energy generation. The Dominican Republic faces many more years of vicious circles, serious consequences, and a dark pollutant path if a more sustainable approach is not taken.

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who ever believes this is going to "help' the Dominicans or even try to reduce the amount of power outages; is totally mistaken, this is done "only because someone is benefiting from the installations, and all the bureaucracy, someone is making a ton of $$$$$
 

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omg... are you kidding? in the State of Wisconsin USA, there are many of these wind farms. and they reduced the cost of electricity for many residents, and they pay the property owners rent for the land that they put them on. Its been all good here. But not so for those Mega Millionaire Energy Company's that have had the menopoly on the market charging and raising rates and no one being able to stop them, after all we NEED electricity.
 

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omg... are you kidding? in the State of Wisconsin USA, there are many of these wind farms. and they reduced the cost of electricity for many residents, and they pay the property owners rent for the land that they put them on. Its been all good here. But not so for those Mega Millionaire Energy Company's that have had the menopoly on the market charging and raising rates and no one being able to stop them, after all we NEED electricity.

Wind power provides aproximately 30% of the power it's designed to, as Wind is rarely constant and windmills require a fair bit of maintenance. Until they figure an economic way of storing peak wind energy it doesn't seem to make sense. In the DR where there is no oil or gas I think they should be burning garbage, sugarcane biomass...etc. Is solar a better option than wind?
 

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I build wind turbines and they will definitely do a wind study for probably 2 years first to see if its worth it. The problem that you will encounter in DR the roads and moving large pieces that are 220 feet long in DR streets are going to be a huge isssue. I know Mammoet is the best in the world t this and there building stuff for Barrick there. but these towers and blades are big and low to the ground. I think they will have to go with smallers units or offshore. Then there the money issue. 45 Towers is going to be $300 million to build..
 

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I build wind turbines and they will definitely do a wind study for probably 2 years first to see if its worth it. The problem that you will encounter in DR the roads and moving large pieces that are 220 feet long in DR streets are going to be a huge isssue. I know Mammoet is the best in the world t this and there building stuff for Barrick there. but these towers and blades are big and low to the ground. I think they will have to go with smallers units or offshore. Then there the money issue. 45 Towers is going to be $300 million to build..

well, so much for wind generated power in the DR ! lol
PS. if the wind indicators are similar to that of the USA, maybe ou can employ the politicians as they seem to be the major source of wind world wide. lol
 

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omg... are you kidding? in the State of Wisconsin USA, there are many of these wind farms. and they reduced the cost of electricity for many residents, and they pay the property owners rent for the land that they put them on. Its been all good here. But not so for those Mega Millionaire Energy Company's that have had the menopoly on the market charging and raising rates and no one being able to stop them, after all we NEED electricity.

any benefits from wind power (which is 3 times more expensive than traditional power sources) are purely due to government subsidies and/or special tax incentives - which means the benefits, if there are any at all, come from the tax payers.
 

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any benefits from wind power (which is 3 times more expensive than traditional power sources) are purely due to government subsidies and/or special tax incentives - which means the benefits, if there are any at all, come from the tax payers.

Lots of complaints from people that live near them also.
 

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any benefits from wind power (which is 3 times more expensive than traditional power sources) are purely due to government subsidies and/or special tax incentives - which means the benefits, if there are any at all, come from the tax payers.

The benefits of wind energy are not necessarily measured in $$/Kwh.

The two key attributes which make wind energy an attractive addition to the grid is that it is:

#1=Clean and #2= Renewable.

The demand for natural gas has risen in proportion to the shift from oil and so has the price. We all understand that oil is a finite resource and most of the easy to drill and high quality crude oil fields have been identified, drilled and are tapping out. Now the new fields are in not-so-easy places and contain not-so-very-sweet/ light crude. As we saw with the deep water Horizon when something goes wrong with one of these new ventures it goes horrifically wrong but with oil spiking over $100/Bbl it's considered an acceptable measured risk.

Wind power will never provide 100% of the electricity required to get the D. R. electricity infrastructure up to 21st century standards but if they were to set a goal for 20% wind, 20% hydro and 10% solar it would cut the water consumption, pollution and carbon footprint by half as well as dependence on oil and natural gas from outside sources. Once you've got control of half your production costs it becomes easier to integrate new developments in bioenergy, geothermal and hydrogen fuel cell sources. Throw in nuclear and you may just get the foreign energy sources below 20% which would be ideal for affordable infrasturcture overhaul and expansion.

Once a successful rural electrification program takes hold the Nations productivity will find a way to it's true potential and the Dominican people can take their beachfront property back from all the stupid AI's. Think about it....high speed electric rail system connecting the major Cities at 230 Mph to move the people to where the jobs are and speaking of jobs think how many will be created to support construction and maintenance and the improvements to cargo and commuter transportation.

Hell one day you'll mail a letter/ bill/ official document in higuey and it will show up at the recipient's home or place of business in Santo Domingo or Santiago in 3 days or less for no extra cost over a 10 peso stamp and you'll think nothing of it.
 
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Kudos to the young man...

for taking on the pressing issue of energy in the D.R.

The problems with this renewable rersource in the D.R. are many. Some have been addressed above as in infrastructure to even get the turbines to their destination, efficiency and reliability of the power produced, and costs to purchase and maintain this type of alternative energy.

Having scanned the paper, he points to the poverty in Pedernales (50% of the homes live in poverty and are unemployed"). So the question there is, even if it is cheap and reliable (I disagree) how will those in Pedernales afford it.

Second, even if the government provides subsidies to create giant wind farms in those areas conducive to wind production, how will that energy get to the areas where it is most needed, i.e. the cities? To do this, new transmission lines would have to be built to carry the power to where it is needed...greatly increasing the costs of production.

A better more realistic alternative for the D.R. lies not in solar, wind, or nuclear, but rather in something that is already being done in the country....that is a conversion of some of the existing electricity generating plants to natural gas. Natural gas is abundant, cheaper and is far more environmentally friendlythan using oil or coal.

While wind and solar may have a bright future down the road, the D.R. is in need of a realistic medium term solution now. That solution, in my opinion, is more reliance on natural gas.


Respectfully,
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for taking on the pressing issue of energy in the D.R.

The problems with this renewable rersource in the D.R. are many. Some have been addressed above as in infrastructure to even get the turbines to their destination, efficiency and reliability of the power produced, and costs to purchase and maintain this type of alternative energy.

Having scanned the paper, he points to the poverty in Pedernales (50% of the homes live in poverty and are unemployed"). So the question there is, even if it is cheap and reliable (I disagree) how will those in Pedernales afford it.

Second, even if the government provides subsidies to create giant wind farms in those areas conducive to wind production, how will that energy get to the areas where it is most needed, i.e. the cities? To do this, new transmission lines would have to be built to carry the power to where it is needed...greatly increasing the costs of production.

A better more realistic alternative for the D.R. lies not in solar, wind, or nuclear, but rather in something that is already being done in the country....that is a conversion of some of the existing electricity generating plants to natural gas. Natural gas is abundant, cheaper and is far more environmentally friendlythan using oil or coal.

While wind and solar may have a bright future down the road, the D.R. is in need of a realistic medium term solution now. That solution, in my opinion, is more reliance on natural gas.


Respectfully,
Playacaribe2

Although coal is not a environmentally friendly, Colombia has plenty that they want to sell to the DR.
 

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Wind power provides aproximately 30% of the power it's designed to, as Wind is rarely constant and windmills require a fair bit of maintenance. Until they figure an economic way of storing peak wind energy it doesn't seem to make sense. In the DR where there is no oil or gas I think they should be burning garbage, sugarcane biomass...etc. Is solar a better option than wind?

No question. There should be trash to energy plants there. They would need to have good filters for all the plastic. A great alternative which the IMF and others would embrace.
 

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Having scanned the paper, he points to the poverty in Pedernales (50% of the homes live in poverty and are unemployed"). So the question there is, even if it is cheap and reliable (I disagree) how will those in Pedernales afford it.

Second, even if the government provides subsidies to create giant wind farms in those areas conducive to wind production, how will that energy get to the areas where it is most needed, i.e. the cities? To do this, new transmission lines would have to be built to carry the power to where it is needed...greatly increasing the costs of production.

Very valid concern there. The U.S. had a similar problem back in the 1930's and the resulting efforts could be used as a template (keep what worked, don't repeat what didn't) for the D.R. but this time with the benefit of a myriad of source solutions.

Rural Electrification

Back then very few country homes had indoor plumbing, kerosene and wax were the primary fuel for lighing and wood or coal fired the furnaces and stoves (the same appliance in many households). The way this worked was that the communities formed energy Co-ops rather than wait to be served by a big energy monopoly which saw no profit in developing their areas. The profits are split proportionally among Co-op members and the burden is borne proportionally as well. Some of the companies which spun off of the REA regions are still in existance to this day as customer owned power companies.
 

bob saunders

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We have literally thousands of wind turbines just down the road from me SW Ontario), so much power that it is being sold cross border in the US
More towers going up every day, would be great in Punta Cana where it seems to have constant winds.

Now tell them how much our electricity cost is going up.
 

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You also have to figure the cost of building traditional plants to cover the time when there is no wind. Unless you want to go without power during those times of the day or those days of the week. Also, some of the materials used to make the equipment and transporting it to the site, are not exactly very environmentally friendly, for example often roads in remote areas have to constructed just for this purpose. Oh and don't forget about the birds killed every year, including rare bird of preys (A 2004 report by the California Energy Commission found that 880 to 1,300 raptors are killed at Altamont every year, such as red-tailed hawks and the federally protected golden eagle). This is just at one site!

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mmm this is going to go on and on.
First the roads and transport to put wind farms in? are you for real?.. What about the roads and transport of oil and coal.. more equipment is needed to build an maintain a coal power station than wind farm. you have one cost input then a regular maintenance cost, unlike coal or oil plants with the continued costs day in day out upgrade here repair there, oil prices up.. shipping costs up and up ...
Yes wind and solar aren't there yet cost effective and reliable but to continue to build coal, gas and oil plants we have to be mad. with out exploring other ways. Wave, tidal, biomass, ocean thermal energy just to name a few..

bird deaths ??? this is a hard one and hard to know who is telling the truth.. but here are some numbers to consider.

HowStuffWorks "Do wind turbines kill birds?"
or this one if you want a long read about it
Common Eco-Myth: Wind Turbines Kill Birds : TreeHugger

The comment about the small communities making their own power is spot on. With out the need to upgrade country wide "smart grids" bigger plants to carry power big distances to small towns.

One way to help with peak power with wind and solar.. oh and the failure of the other ones

Upgrading the Electric Grid With Flywheels and Air

Anyway this make for great reading and can't wait to read more comments..