DR building University Campus in Haiti - Updates

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Hillbilly

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There was an interview yesterday on TeleSur, with Leonel, and he lambasted the rich nations for not fulfilling their commitments regarding the 11 billion that was promised after the earthquake. He said that Haiti now has a government, and a cabinet, but there is still no money pouring in...(this would help the DR economy greatly, no doubt).

He said that the DR, a poor country, had promised Haiti a university and in January 2012, they will deliver it! This is a slap in the fact to many of those rich countries, so maybe they will react. Carter said about the same thing the other day.

There are companies that are drooling with the prospects of getting into Haiti and building things, like roads, schools, aqueducts, hospitals, office buildings, in fact a whole new country.

Hope this comes to fruition.

HB
 

johnny

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So where would Haitians go in their country for higher learning?

Those are the richs. they are here in PUCMM and UNIBE.
In a country where over 50% are iliterate, less than 30% reach 6th grade and less than 10% of those reach High School.
What is a priority?
 

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Those are the richs. they are here in PUCMM and UNIBE.
In a country where over 50% are iliterate, less than 30% reach 6th grade and less than 10% of those reach High School.
What is a priority?

What you fail to realize is that most of the planned growth of any country depends on it's professionals. Having more universities in Haiti gives regular Haitians more options to become a professional and thus help build a better Haiti.

As far as Haiti needing more public schools they do among many other things.
 

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Those are the richs. they are here in PUCMM and UNIBE.
In a country where over 50% are iliterate, less than 30% reach 6th grade and less than 10% of those reach High School.
What is a priority?

it is a fallacy to think that you can raise up a people from the bottom pyramid. you must first start with the best and brightest

there are many haitians here in the DR working as security guards who speak four languages who are ready and willing to return to their homeland

i have already registered 200 plus haitians in las terrenas who wish to return

we have over 8000 there and are just now getting the names of them all and all their children so that safe passage may be arranged

the coca cola company has agreed to help with a project of collecting used plastic bottles so that the children here can plant them with seeds for fruiting trees and flowers so that when we are ready to return to Ayati, we may take our garden with us

the people in this Republica.. or the shards and remnants of a what was a great republic... and perhaps the very new seedlings of a democracy... live in peace with their hermanos haitianos
 

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Out of the world's top 700 universities, not a single one is in any Caribbean state.

DR is building the equivalent of a high school campus with funds from the European Union.

It would be up to haiti to staff and run this so called university.


What haiti need are trade schools and english language schools......to staff the new korean light industrial zone being built in the north.

The rich haitians study in Europe and North America....the diaspora of course is already in those advanced countries....only those who can't go to DR.
 

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Haiti - Education : Upcoming inauguration of the University Roi Henri Christophe



The Dominican President Leonel Fern?ndez will travel to Haiti on Thursday, January 12, 2012, for the inauguration of the University Roi Henri Christophe [built in Limonade] offered by the government and the business sector of Dominican Republic, at a cost of $50 million.

Leonel Fern?ndez will be accompanied for the occasion by Carlos Morales Troncoso the Minister of Foreign Affairs, Temistocles Montas, Minister of Economy, Planning and Development and other government officials and entrepreneurs of Campus.

Upon arrival, the Dominican President will be welcomed by his Haitian counterpart, Michel Martelly, among other authorities. According to our sources, the inauguration of the university campus, should be held at 11am. The last time the President Fernandez came to Haiti was in May 2011, at the inauguration ceremony of the current President of Haiti, Michel Martelly.


Haiti - Education : The University of Limonade coveted by the private sector



At 10 days of the inauguration of the University Roi Henri Christophe (built in Limonade) offered by the government and the business sector of Dominican Republic, a petition circulating in Haiti, since last month, in which teachers and leaders of private university centers claim that the University Roi Henri Christophe be "independent of the State University of Haiti (UEH), autonomous, and with its own management bodies"

A petition that the rectorate of the UEH considers ridiculous, who criticizes members of private universities that defend above all, their private financial interests. According to Fritz Deshommes, Vice-Rector for research to the UEH "There are civil servants and private sector leaders who are still trying to divert all that is given to the UEH. These are people who do nothing, but that still want to take advantage of opportunities," pointing the finger on, without naming it, famous private university in Port-au-Prince, who will be at the origin of this petition.

The Vice-Rector recalls that a workshop under the auspices of President Michel Martelly and Leonel Fern?ndez (Dominican Republic), is scheduled the day after the inauguration (scheduled January 12, 2012) on the initiative of the Secretary of State for higher Education, to discuss the future of this new University, issues, organizational structure and its management.

"The mission to provide knowledge in higher education across the country, belongs first to the UEH" strongly advised Jean Vernet Henry, Rector of the UEH, for whom the only problem of the State University, currently resides in a lack of funding.

S/ HaitiLibre Haiti - Education : The University of Limonade coveted by the private sector - HaitiLibre.com, Haiti News, The haitian people's voice



President to travel to Haiti, responds to foreign editorials on Haitian migration

President Leonel Fernandez is due to visit Haiti next week for the second anniversary of the 12 January 2010 earthquake. Fernandez was decisive and first in sending massive relief to Haiti from the Dominican Republic as soon as news of the disaster broke.

During his visit, he will inaugurate a university built with local funds in Limonade. The university is a US$50 million investment and will cover an area of 300,000 square meters. Fernandez is traveling to Haiti with Foreign Minister Carlos Morales Troncoso, and Minister of Economy and Planning Temistocles Montas. President Fernandez's last visit to Haiti was to attend President Michel Martelly's inaugural ceremony.

Now breaking from its usual silence and laissez-faire attitude, the Dominican government is responding to allegations in the international press criticizing the authorities' recent token efforts to organize the civil registry and status of mass Haitian immigration.

For years the government has allowed the entry of hundreds of thousands of impoverished Haitians, hundreds of thousands of which have irregularly obtained Dominican ID cards. Now, coinciding with new efforts to organize the country's civil registry n as evidenced by forged MLB ball player identification, ease of drug traffickers acquiring multiple identities - the irregularities affecting Haitian migration have become more apparent.

Recently, government spokespersons have been taking a proactive stance. Foreign Relations Minister Carlos Morales Troncoso recently responded to an op-ed piece in Canada's Globe & Mail. Globe & Mail readers also responded with several comments to correct statements in the piece. Morales Troncoso said that the DR and Haiti maintain harmonious and close relationships, and makes the point that investigation and possible future annulment of civil registry documents in no way violates international human rights commitments assumed by the Dominican Republic if children born to Haitians in the DR have the right to a different nationality.

Morales Troncoso said that the Dominican Republic cannot be asked to bear the burden of the human and economic costs of the serious situation that affects the Haitian people, who have seen as the best solution their migration to the Dominican Republic, which cannot be expected to assume the consequences of the serious deficiencies that plague Haiti's civil registry either. He said that the Dominican Republic as a sovereign nation could determine who its citizens are and the rules for migration within the limits established by international law.

He said it is incorrect to say that the country has recently changed its citizenship policy to discriminate retroactively against Haitians.

He added that on several occasions the Supreme Court of Justice has ruled on the issue of the children of illegal immigrants, regardless of their origin, which confirms that if the children are born to parents who are legally in transit, they are automatically excluded from obtaining Dominican nationality, and the children of anyone who cannot justify their legal entry or stay in the country cannot benefit from the greater right of citizenship, he explained.

He stressed this is not an issue of leaving the immigrants without a country, as Art. 11 of the Haitian Constitution establishes that everyone born to a Haitian father or mother will have Haitian nationality at birth.

Stripping Dominicans of Haitian descent of their citizenship is unjust - The Globe and Mail

Canciller?a respondi? a medio canadiense que cuestiona relaci?n entre RD y Hait? | Noticias SIN

The Dominican Ambassador in Washington, Anibal de Castro has also replied to an article in The Economist that stated the Dominican Republic had changed its laws.

Dominican-Haitian relations: Stateless in Santo Domingo | The Economist

Anibal de Castro's response: Economist - A response from the embassy of the Dominican Republic in the United States
 
Pichardo, did you know that there is a petition circulating in Ha?ti? Some private universities want to get hold of the premisces, but the petition circulation reminds everybody that the university has been offered by the Dominican Republic and it would be an outrage to let private universities take over public education.
 

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The University Henri Christophe was built by the Dominican government with an investment of US$30 million dollars (structure only with equipment not included from total of USD$ 50 million) through the OISOE (Oficina de Ingenieros Supervisores de Obras del Estado). The majority of workers employed in the construction, from engineers, architects, electricians, master plumbers, carpenters and others were of Haitian nationality, with some Dominican experts in guidance and supervisory support.

It has four expandable classroom buildings with a total of 72 classrooms and a laboratory building of three levels. Each building was built with a requirement for later expansion as needed.

A fifth building houses the grand library and the offices for management. It also has a modern and multipurpose roofed plaza, two independent dual fuel (Natural or LP gas/Diesel) power plants with a standby continuous output of 800 kW each, for a total of 1,600 kW, two drinkable water cisterns with onsite filters with capacity for the entire complex, parking for 500 cars, sports facilities, garden areas and perimeter fence.

Another building is intended for laboratory areas, where students receive instruction in computer science, chemistry, physics, biology and tourism.

The school has four buildings totaling 72 spacious classrooms with a capacity of 30 students each per class shift or about 2,160 students per class shift. Being the norm at Dominican and other high education sites to host up to five or six rotating shifts per class, in staggered format during the week and weekends. The capacity of this complex is the same as the model from which it was taken of an operating campus in the Dominican Republic, where the number of students is well above the 10,000 students projection for the Haitian University campus.

Other facilities at the University is an extensive library with reading area for 400 people, a virtual classroom, dining room with capacity for 500 people, laundry area, roofed central plaza for five thousand students, a football field and a administration building.

The campus was equipped with a two drinking water systems, modern LED lighting, multipurpose rooms, recreation areas, stormwater system and outdoors furniture.

The complex was also prepared with an independent sewage system, flooding controls and wired for fiber optic connections.

The new university was built on state property that King Christophe designated for the construction of the Academie Royale university in 1815 and land to was donated by the local Mayor's office as of late. The Dominican private sector also donated two new buses for the transportation of low income student from and to the nearest town of the campus.




Higher Education in Haiti

Haitian Minister of Education Jean Claude Francois spoke yesterday at the Global Foundation for Democracy and Development (Funglode) in Santo Domingo during Education Week. He was speaking as a member of a panel on Higher Education in Haiti.

Francois said that the quality of higher education graduates has declined considerably in the past four decades. He said there are 25,000 university students in Haiti. The new university built by the Dominican government in Cap-Haitien has a capacity for 10,000 students.

The Haitian minister mentioned the impact of brain drain, commenting that 85% of university graduates migrate to the Dominican Republic and the United States. "In the Dominican Republic there are 15,000 Haitian students studying in universities, but only a small number will return to Haiti," he commented. He said that with the inaugural of the new facility thousands of students would be trained in their own language, "which will be much better for them."

He added that at present, his country's greatest problem was the lack of governance.

Speaking as part of the education panel, university professors Jena Marie Theodat, Jacky Lumake and Yves Voltaire expressed their appreciation for the Dominican government's donation of a university.
 

johnny

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What a waste of 50 millions dlls.
An university in the middle of nowhere for the very rich haitians who have access to helicopters or luxuries SUV.
Wouldnt be better to built 100 Elemental and Middle schools with those 50 millions?
 

PICHARDO

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What a waste of 50 millions dlls.
An university in the middle of nowhere for the very rich haitians who have access to helicopters or luxuries SUV.
Wouldnt be better to built 100 Elemental and Middle schools with those 50 millions?


And when those 100 elementary schools graduate their students and sent them to HS and graduated from there, then what? Go to France or your house for higher education?

Or just like it happens now, cross into the DR graduate and stay here in competition with the locals for the few jobs offered?
 

johnny

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And when those 100 elementary schools graduate their students and sent them to HS and graduated from there, then what? Go to France or your house for higher education?

Or just like it happens now, cross into the DR graduate and stay here in competition with the locals for the few jobs offered?

When they graduate from High School, then We built the university. but now?
You have to go first to elementary school, middle, high and then Universitiy
You have to crawl before you walk.
We have to invest first in our education and let other rich countries to help Haiti.
We already did more than we could.
 

PICHARDO

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When they graduate from High School, then We built the university. but now?
You have to go first to elementary school, middle, high and then Universitiy
You have to crawl before you walk.
We have to invest first in our education and let other rich countries to help Haiti.
We already did more than we could.


And how about the generation that's college bound NOW?


Did you notice that Haiti has got a lot of problems lately, which includes a minimal amount of college graduates in most needed fields. Pending rebuilding a country, you propose they invest all into elementary and then hope for the best in 18 years down the line?

Have you notice that out of all those pledges in the 10 billion mark, only a paltry 2.4 billion has been spent in Haiti since Jan 12th 2010, and that 90% of that was via aid, food assistance and NGO driven and managed programs?

Where exactly is the power plant or dam being built by these funds in Haiti? The housing projects for the 600,000+ homeless? The hospitals? The, the, the...

All in all it's us the DR which is going to get the brunt of the fall out from the utter chaos in Haiti. Not the US, Canada or France but the DR just a quick hop over the wet sand that used to be called a river...

I say let's not stop with a college campus, but a real hospital and at least one freaking model of a multi-apartment housing unit to show these super powers, what they can just copy and repeat a few thousand times in Haiti all over...

They pledged? Let them do as they promised NOW!

Both the US and France share most of the blame for what Haiti is today... Let them pick up the tab for the broken glass...
 
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PICHARDO

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Pichardo, did you know that there is a petition circulating in Ha?ti? Some private universities want to get hold of the premisces, but the petition circulation reminds everybody that the university has been offered by the Dominican Republic and it would be an outrage to let private universities take over public education.

Yup!

They failed!
 

PICHARDO

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When they graduate from High School, then We built the university. but now?
You have to go first to elementary school, middle, high and then Universitiy
You have to crawl before you walk.
We have to invest first in our education and let other rich countries to help Haiti.
We already did more than we could.


And we're investing in ours too!

Just the new cafeteria of the UASD is over 37,000 square meters in three levels alone, with the other buildings overshadowing in by a lot more...


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