Shut up if you don't want to get killed: Amnesty International Report on the DR

Mariot

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Amnesty International published an interesting report on human rights abuses in the Dominican Republic:

AIUK : Dominican Republic: One in ten murders on popular Caribbean Island are committed by police - New report

Dominican Republic: One in ten murders on popular Caribbean Island are committed by police - New report

Posted: 25 October 2011

“If you rob somebody and this person files a complaint, if the police identify you as the robber, they look for you and without letting you speak they shoot at you.”

More than one in ten of all murders in the Dominican Republic, a popular Caribbean tourist destination, are committed by the police, Amnesty International said in a new report today (25 October).

‘Shut up if you don’t want to be killed’: Human Rights violations by the police in the Dominican Republic, documents scores of cases of killings, torture and ill-treatment at the hands of police, gathered during three research missions in the country and the lack of effective investigations.

Statistics from the Office of the Prosecutor General show that at least 10 per cent of all the murders recorded in 2010 were committed by the police.

In addition, the homicide rate in the country has doubled in the last 20 years. At 25 people killed per 100,000 of the population, the rate is well above the ‘normal’ rate of five per 100,000.

Head of Amnesty International’s delegation in the Dominican Republic, Javier Z??iga said:

“Authorities must ensure those responsible for the killings and torture face justice and that steps are taken to change the policies and practices that allow these abuses to take place. The official view continues to be that human rights violations are committed by a few corrupt or unprofessional officers who are swiftly dealt with and held accountable but the reality paints a very different picture.”

The vast majority of the fatal shootings were described by the police as “exchanges of gunfire” with criminal suspects. However, in many cases, forensic tests support the allegation that police officers deliberately shot to kill.

Amnesty International’s report warns that police killings of young people may well be employed as a deterrent to crime.

Javier Z??iga added:

“Police killings should not become the way to solve the problem of repeat offenders and warn young people against crime.”

Amnesty International also found that while in police custody, criminal suspects have been threatened with death, beaten and denied food, water and essential medicines. Some have had plastic bags put over their heads and were hung from bars or nails by their handcuffs.

At least two people last seen in police custody are feared to have been the victims of enforced disappearance. Only a fraction of cases reach the courts or are even investigated.

An array of obstacles, such as lack of independence and resources and the failure to properly collect and preserve forensic evidence prevents most responsible from facing justice.

Javier Z??iga added:

“The system for investigations of police abuse in the Dominican Republic is disorganised and lacks proper procedures to handle complaints of human rights violations by the police. Whether a police officer faces justice for a killing or torture depends largely on whether the victim or their family lodges an official complaint, the level of publicity a case attracts and the political pressure exerted on prosecutors.

“We acknowledge that police officers usually face serious dangers while doing their jobs. However, we believe that their conduct is actually exacerbating the violence and creating a climate in which human rights are completely ignored.”

As one young man told Amnesty International in October:

“If you rob somebody and this person files a complaint, if the police identify you as the robber, they look for you and without letting you speak they shoot at you…

“I was there when the police caught a friend of mine. He was a robber. The police were looking for him. One day the police went to his house. He was hiding somewhere else. The police told him: ‘Come out, we are not going to kill you, we just wanted to question you’. When he came out, they shot him twice in the head.”

Full report: http://www.amnesty.org.uk/uploads/documents/doc_22034.pdf
 

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probably because you didn't read about the bystanders who got shot and skipped the parts about corruption and cops getting killed while committing crimes.
Corrupt cops getting killed when they commit crimes? What's the problem? :)
 

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Corrupt cops getting killed when they commit crimes? What's the problem? :)
i know the tough guy stance is "let criminals and corrupt cops take care of themselves" but the report suggests that the reaction to an increase of crime and violence by the dominican police is more violence, because now criminals are more inclined to shoot their victims or the cops, because they fear that if they don't they will get killed by the police. the result is an escalation of violence, which makes living in the dr more dangerous for everybody.

furthermore, you have cases such as these:

Rafael de Jes?s Torres was killed by police in Navarrete at around 11pm on 9 September
2007, on the eve of a planned demonstration to demand better living conditions in the
community. He was returning by motorbike from a pharmacy, where he had gone to get
medicine for his sick daughter, when police stationed on top of a building at a crossroads
shot him. The police offered no assistance, so bystanders called the fire service who took
Rafael de Jes?s Torres to hospital where he died a few hours later. His brother told
Amnesty International that when he went to the local prosecutor?s office, he was told that
he had to go to the police station to report the incident. Fearing reprisals, he decided not
go to the police, so no official complaint was filed.

Jos? Aquiles Gonzales was shot several times by police on 16 June 2009 during a
demonstration in Navarrete to demand better living conditions. Video footage shows Jos?
Aquiles, with gunshot wounds to his leg, being dragged along by police and loaded into a
van. He was also filmed at the hospital shortly before his death denying any involvement in
the demonstration.
According to eyewitnesses, Jos? Aquiles was not part of the protest and was walking from
the main road when he saw a large number of police officers and decided to take a path
through the bushes to avoid them. A police officer started running after him and shot him
in the leg. Two other police officers approached and also fired at him. A witness ? who was
also suspected of being involved in the demonstration and was held at gunpoint by the police, beaten, and put in the same police van as Jos? Aquiles ? said that he saw the police
putting a makeshift gun in Jos? Aquiles? hands. The witness was released without charge
after seven or eight hours. While he was at the police station he heard a police officer
saying: ?Now we are even?, possibly referring to the fact that a police officer had been
killed during an earlier demonstration
 

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Mariot, you seem surprised Amnesty International, an organization that ~needs~ victims of oppression for it's very financial existance, would be snookered by the typical Dominican cultural "I'm innocent, I'm a victim, it's someone else's fault" paradigm...
 
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That's why many times a foreigner can never acclimate themselves totally. You (general) arrive with a Northern mentality where a criminal can sue a homeowner if during the process of committing a crime on said property, trips, falls and hurts themselves. Or when a neighbors' bratty kid while jumping uncontrollably in the bed of roses in the yard trips and hurts him/herself and the parents sue the owners.
This, thankfully, does not apply in the DR. Ask any civilian and they'll be the first to admit that "los policias son los mas ladrones" but asked them about the hoodlums and crackheads and they would wish all annihilated. Sure there is collateral damage at times ( you pointed 2 instances), but let's begin to list the lost innocent lives these bastards have affected on a daily basis. Check out China, one of the lowest crime rates for a developing country in the World. They don't play and the people live their lives peacefully. I appreciate your post and commentary, but to me, if it's a dirty cop that robs and kills peaceful folk, be done with him. The same goes for a crackhead killer. In this country the risks have to outweigh the rewards, it's the only way to live peacefully.
 

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Mariot, you seem surprised Amnesty International, an organization that ~needs~ victims of oppression for it's very financial existance, would be snookered by the typical Dominican cultural "I'm innocent, I'm a victim, it's someone else's fault" paradigm...

that's a crappy argument, and you know it. there was nobody claiming he was innocent. there were however bystanders, relatives, activists and witnesses killed.
i knew how the dominican police deals with criminals before i read that report, and i never expected the place to function like a first world country. as a matter of fact, i witnessed an enforced disappearence ten years ago, when police rushed a colmado, put a gun to a guys head and shoved him into a car for him never to be heard of again.
however, the country seemed to make progress and is now going backwards, that is why i posted this link. there is an increase in crime and violence, and it appears the police is doing their best to turn this into a downward spiral.
 

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Think how much time and money is saved by not having a trial.
I remember about 12 years ago,in Moca I think,4 guys were caught robbing a bank.There was an exchange of gunfire with the police.All four were captured alive.They were put in the bed of a police truck,and told to stay down. A film student was filming in Moca,and got the incident on his video camera.You could see the four guys "peeking" over the side of the truck,as they were hauled to the police station.
All four were dead when they reached the station.
The student sent the tape to a TV station,who showed the tape.
The student,in fear of his life,never came forward.
As you can imagine,nothing more came of the incident.
The consensus here in the DR was,"Don't Rob Banks"!
Sounds like a good idea to me!
The maximum sentence for murder in the DR is 30 years,better to kill them first.
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The maximum sentence for murder in the DR is 30 years,better to kill them first.
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But the "death penalty" (shot to death by police) is appropriate for robbery?

I don't think the punishment fits the crime.
 

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Mariot, you seem surprised Amnesty International, an organization that ~needs~ victims of oppression for it's very financial existance, would be snookered by the typical Dominican cultural "I'm innocent, I'm a victim, it's someone else's fault" paradigm...

They know a thing or two about repression, Amnesty.

You think that Amnesty have been conned by despicable Dominicans and there really is not any problem concerning police led extra-judicial killings?

You know better than Amnesty, of course.

Funny.
 

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That's why many times a foreigner can never acclimate themselves totally. You (general) arrive with a Northern mentality where a criminal can sue a homeowner if during the process of committing a crime on said property, trips, falls and hurts themselves. Or when a neighbors' bratty kid while jumping uncontrollably in the bed of roses in the yard trips and hurts him/herself and the parents sue the owners.
This, thankfully, does not apply in the DR. Ask any civilian and they'll be the first to admit that "los policias son los mas ladrones" but asked them about the hoodlums and crackheads and they would wish all annihilated. Sure there is collateral damage at times ( you pointed 2 instances), but let's begin to list the lost innocent lives these bastards have affected on a daily basis. Check out China, one of the lowest crime rates for a developing country in the World. They don't play and the people live their lives peacefully. I appreciate your post and commentary, but to me, if it's a dirty cop that robs and kills peaceful folk, be done with him. The same goes for a crackhead killer. In this country the risks have to outweigh the rewards, it's the only way to live peacefully.

Let us see your opinion when the collateral damage is your wife and daughter.....
 

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I'm not sure what the problem is...;)

the problem is my husband sometimes works all night on his computer and doesn't shave for 3 days. if he were to step out of this house he'd easily get mistaken for a thief and get shot by accident...
 

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That's why many times a foreigner can never acclimate themselves totally. You (general) arrive with a Northern mentality where a criminal can sue a homeowner if during the process of committing a crime on said property, trips, falls and hurts themselves. Or when a neighbors' bratty kid while jumping uncontrollably in the bed of roses in the yard trips and hurts him/herself and the parents sue the owners.
This, thankfully, does not apply in the DR. Ask any civilian and they'll be the first to admit that "los policias son los mas ladrones" but asked them about the hoodlums and crackheads and they would wish all annihilated. Sure there is collateral damage at times ( you pointed 2 instances), but let's begin to list the lost innocent lives these bastards have affected on a daily basis. Check out China, one of the lowest crime rates for a developing country in the World. They don't play and the people live their lives peacefully. I appreciate your post and commentary, but to me, if it's a dirty cop that robs and kills peaceful folk, be done with him. The same goes for a crackhead killer. In this country the risks have to outweigh the rewards, it's the only way to live peacefully.

Naturally the problem with your argument is that it's pretty sophomoric and based on old wives tales. The truth is countries with capital punishment (through courts such as the USA, or on the streets such as we're discussing here), are always less safe and less 'peaceful' than countries that aim to rehabilitate their prisoners and address the socio economic conditions that lead to anti social behavior.

It's almost as if you've missed the entire past 100 years and want to take us back to a feudal system or the 'wild west'?

Weird.
 

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the problem is my husband sometimes works all night on his computer and doesn't shave for 3 days. if he were to step out of this house he'd easily get mistaken for a thief and get shot by accident...

That would be enough reason to consider shooting him in some peoples' simplistic world....not just the police.
 

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Think how much time and money is saved by not having a trial.
I remember about 12 years ago,in Moca I think,4 guys were caught robbing a bank.There was an exchange of gunfire with the police.All four were captured alive.They were put in the bed of a police truck,and told to stay down. A film student was filming in Moca,and got the incident on his video camera.You could see the four guys "peeking" over the side of the truck,as they were hauled to the police station.
All four were dead when they reached the station.
The student sent the tape to a TV station,who showed the tape.
The student,in fear of his life,never came forward.
As you can imagine,nothing more came of the incident.
The consensus here in the DR was,"Don't Rob Banks"!
Sounds like a good idea to me!
The maximum sentence for murder in the DR is 30 years,better to kill them first.
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How macho. So I guess that solved bank robberies in Moca? And people can sleep with their doors unlocked and no bars on their windows?

...or did that reduce the value of human life in Moca where all you need to do to get rid of someone is pay off the cops to throw them in the back of a police truck and accuse them of something?

If you're okay with 4 bank robbers getting lynched to death by a mob, I take it you're okay with a gringo in his jeepeta getting lynched to death for running into (or being set up to accidentally run into) a motorconcho on the highway?

Let's put it another way: the problem with the 'wisdom of the crowd/mob' is that the crowd/mob can be retarded - especially in this country where people still believe that a woman can give birth in a half/pig half man, or that Haitians are another 'species'...