Jim Hinsch -commment on Hamaca Disco

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Lilian

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I note that there has been no response to this subject and wonder why?

I also wonder, Jim, if you have found out if this is the policy of the hotel or an aberration.

The Hotel Hamaca has a history of violence,(as I know to my sorrow) but it is now under new management and I find it difficult to believe that the new manager (whom I know) would condone this sort of behaviour, much less order it. He is a gentle person who respects women.

More disturbing is the lack of response from the board.
 
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Jim Hinsch

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Re: Hamaca Disco - Entrance policy and threats of violence at the door

If you know the manager, I hope you will report this incident to him and find out from him about their policy. The date of the incident was Saturday, Jan. 9th, 1999, about 10pm.

The Hamaca has the right to prohibit entrance into their disco by unaccompanied women not staying at the resort. My opinion is that this makes the disco a "couples" place. My opinion is that this is, or was that night, the official policy of the Hamaca Disco. Otherwise, the doorman would not have suggested they grab a motoconcho to act as their escort. The disco's policies change often though. I wish they could get their act together and be consistent at the very least. Many times the disco has been restricted to hotel guests only.

Some of the bars in NYC restrict entrance to those that the door people like the way they look, and as a private business, I think they should have that right, unfair as it may be to discriminate. Those that don't like it can vote with their wallet.

The threat of violence by the door man when "someone higher up" was requested is probably not policy and the manager should be informed of the incident. I hope you will report the manager's comments here on the board.

JimHinsch@CSI.COM
 
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Norman

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Unfortunately Boca Chica has more prostitutes per square meter than any other real estate that I know of in the DR. A high percentage of them have been involved in thefts.

The Hamaca depends on family trade for their business, not singles.

Since the Hamaca Disco is unfortunately located within easy access to the rooms, single women represent a security risk. At best, their presence will upset the wives of guests, at worst it could lead to theft from rooms. I know of guests who have been lured to ambushes by groups of moto conchos by prostitutes and stripped of their belongings by the girls while the motorcycles surrounded them. I know of several murders of foreigners in Boca Chica during the last three or four years.

Since prostitutes in the DR are not required to show health check cards as in Mexico, it is impossible for hotel security to tell who is and who isn't a prostitute. Serious Dominican girls from good families don't go to Boca Chica or Juan Dolio unescorted because they know that they will often be arrested on suspicion of prostitution.

I suspect that hotel security will be more or less lax in entrance requirements depending on how many times they have had to go to the police station with guests that week who were robbed on the streets or in the bars of Boca Chica.
 
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Kathy

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Re: Hamaca Disco - Entrance policy and threats of violence at the door

I'm planning a vacation to the DR and was planning on staying at the Hamaca. After reading these messages I became cocerned about if it the appropriate place to go with my sister and daughter. Is Boca Chica safe in the daytime? I don't think we would be venturingout at night. I'm supposed to leave a deposit on Monday so would appreciate your imput. Thanks
 
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Tom

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Re: Hamaca Disco - Entrance policy and threats of violence at the door

The only experience I had at Hamaca was , depending on the perspective, negative. On a trip to the DR, I was staying at The Hispanolia and went to Hamaca with two of the dealers (female) from the casino.

We all went into the disco, I styed for a drink and told them I'd be in the Casino. After about 2 hours, the two girls were asked to leave. I asked the doorman what the problem was, and was told that they were not "Hotel guests" and must leave. We had no problem with that as I had won roughly $4,000.00 USD at the Blackjack table and we happily went back to Santo Domingo to enjoy "thier money"

Needless to say, there was a dfference of opinion between the Casino Host and Disco Mgr as to our leaving, but I wasn't interested in their discrimination. (There were no threats of violence or such, just that we ALL were un-welcome in the disco)

Tom
 
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Natasha Lopez

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Re: Hamaca Disco - Entrance policy and threats of violence at the door

The beach of Boca Chica is like no other beach I have seen in the tropics - it is truly unique and spectacular. However, as a person born and raised in the DR, I can tell you that Boca Chica is not what it used to be say, twenty years ago. This is really sad. I don't particularly care for the Hamaca (have not been to the disco though) and would not advice friends of mine visiting the DR to stay in BC. Just my opinion.

Natasha
 
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DR One

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Re: Hamaca Disco - Entrance policy and threats of violence at the door

Boca Chica has the big advantage that it is next door to the Las Americas International Airport, so you practically get off a plane and onto a gorgeous beach. It is also less than half an hour drive from Santo Domingo. I booked my sister and family (she'd a M.D. director of a major Dallas hospital complex) for two nights prior to her flight back and she loved it, especially the beach. Try to get a room on the beach side of the hotel, even if you pay a bit more.

Upscale Dominicans make the half hour trip from Santo Domingo to go dining in Boca Chica, principally at Neptuno and Boca Marina restaurants that are by the beach. Santo Domingo's Yacht Club is next door, attracting hundreds of wealthy Dominicans every weekend. Droves of middle and low income Dominicans also flock to the public beach end on Sundays, but your hotel has a private beach strip.

I would stay off dark streets at night in Boca Chica, but drove recently through the well lit restaurant strip and shop street area and it is looking very good. Our recommendation is to come and enjoy, and also take the city tour of Santo Domingo and the excursion to Altos de Chav?n in La Romana.
 
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Lilian

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Re: Hamaca Disco - Entrance policy and threats of violence at the door

Jim:

You are correct in your statement that the management should be made aware of the situation, but from someone who was there, not me.

It is not for me to bring third-party, unsubstantiated allegations to the management of Hamaca. I am sure that you must agree. You were there, probably with friends who can substantiate what happened, and also can give a clearer picture of the events. I would just be reporting something that was said on the message board. In fact, in all fairness to Hamaca, I feel you should have talked with the management before posting your message.

To those who are concerned about their own safety, I say this, "There is no reason that I know of to not stay at Hamaca". I had plans to go myself before the Hurricane and as long as the management is the same would not hesitate to stay there.
 
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Mike

Guest
Re: Hamaca Disco - Entrance policy and threats of violence at the door

Kathy, we (me, my wife, our college-age son and our teenage daughter) were at the Hamaca this Christmas-New Year's. We had a wonderful time. The hotel is very secure. The rooms and grounds are beautiful, and the beach and water clarity was an unexpected surprise. Each room has a safe deposit box if you want one. We walked and bicycled into Boca Chica during the day, encountering no unpleasantness or problems of any type. (Hint: Buy your rum and bottled water in town -- not at the hotel. Save $$$!) I would not, however, go into town at night. The guests at the Hamaca were upscale, mostly families (this was Xmas), and I didn't notice any prostitutes on hotel grounds, in its casino or disco, or even near the hotel. The town is another story, as the hookers do come out at night. I hope this helps. If you have more questions, E-mail me.
 
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Jim Hinsch

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Re: Hamaca Disco and Boca Chica

I think the Hamaca's entrance policies are geared towards maintaining an upscale atmosphere for their target clientele of upscale tourists, with the philosophy of isolating their guests from the immediate surrounding area. It creates an atmosphere that many tourists are looking for.

Boca Chica is certainly has the most or best of MANY things. This is because of it's close proximity to the airport and the capital, giving it a high population density of both locals and tourists. It arguably the most accessible resort town in the country with one of the best beaches and the best night life, yet has less violent crime than any major city in the USA. A truly wonderful town.

NORMAN: "Unfortunately Boca Chica has more prostitutes per square meter than any other real estate that I know of in the DR. A high percentage of them have been involved in thefts. ... Serious Dominican girls from good families don't go to Boca Chica or Juan Dolio unescorted ..."

Boca Chica does have a lot of young unescorted Dominican men and women in the bars at night. In fact, it is a singles scene. Who are you to call them prostitutes? Why not just call every person that goes to a bar single, an immoral slut!

The police and media routinely charge young Dominican women with prostitution without any evidence beyond being in a tourist town, at a bar, looking good, without a man, something that millions of young Americans do every weekend, and the tourists themselves do on vacation without a problem. I've seen the media taking photos and shooting video of local girls dancing in short skirts with news titles proclaiming them as prostitutes, when in reality, they work at the bar and are paid to dance, or, they are just girls dancing for fun. Imagine that. Young women going to a disco dressed in disco appropriate attire and dancing. Those involved with this reporting should be ashamed of themselves.

The DR has a long way to go when it comes to civil rights, and in particular, womens' rights. The interaction with the locals is part of the charm of Boca Chica and the lack of it is part of the sterility of the Hamaca.

We all know that, at times, money and other things changes hands between tourists and locals. So what. So many Dominicans have their hand out, and we start planning our gift giving before we even get there! There is nothing wrong with the haves helping out the have-nots.

NORMAN: "The Hamaca depends on family trade for their business, not singles. At best, their presence will upset the wives of guests, at worst it could lead to theft from rooms."

I've been to the Hamaca more times than I can count and I would not call it a family resort because there are very few families. It is almost all adult couples. The Hamaca has the right to "gear" their business towards any segment of the population they wish. At best, the presence of single women delight the men, which comprises half the tourists at the hotel, and probably the half most likely to be paying the bills. If the Hamaca Disco is to be a bubble, protecting all from the "dangerous world" outside the resort, that is their management's decision. Perhaps it will become like the discos of Boca Chica Resort and the Don Juan Hotel -- empty.

NORMAN: "Since the Hamaca Disco is unfortunately located within easy access to the rooms, single women represent a security risk."

Oh sure. I bet there are lots of single women overpowering the tourists, robbing them, sneaking into the hotel hallways and forcing open hotel room doors in hopes of making off with cash and jewelry that isn't locked in the room safe that every room has. Nonsense.

Then all of a sudden when a woman is accompanied by a male, the security risk goes away? Some logic.

NORMAN: "I know of guests who have been lured to ambushes by groups of motoconchos by prostitutes and stripped of their belongings by the girls while the motorcycles surrounded them. I know of several murders of foreigners in Boca Chica during the last three or four years. "

Statistically, these would be relatively rare occurrences. The incident rate of violent crime is actually low when compared to other popular tourist destinations around the world, making it one of the safest. That statement makes it sound like a dangerous place when compared with places that one wouldn't think twice about travelling to. It isn't a dangerous place. One can quote various crimes that have happened in just about every popular tourist destination worldwide. So what.

NORMAN: "... it is impossible for hotel security to tell who is and who isn't a prostitute. Serious Dominican girls from good families don't go to Boca Chica or Juan Dolio unescorted because they know that they will often be arrested on suspicion of prostitution."

Ridiculous. Most locals from outside the Boca Chica area are not going to travel all the way from Santo Domingo to go to a Boca Chica disco because it is 45 - 75 minutes each direction and the return home on public transportation for a young women at 3am would not be particularly inviting. Now, what about the thousands of young Dominican girls that live and work in the area, and their friends that come to visit? To label Boca Chica as a place where no "serious" Dominican women would venture unescorted is arrogantly judgemental, and bull. You are the morality king, deciding who is decent?

I agree that the random and no-evidence-needed arrest tactics of the local authorities deters some young Dominican females from enjoying Boca Chica's scene.

JimHinsch@CSI.COM
 
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NewT

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Re: Hamaca Disco - Entrance policy and threats of violence at the door

There are prostitutes in Boca Chica? I learn something new every day on this board. How much do they cost? I guess I'm pretty naive because I thought that sort of thing was limited to big American cities. No wonder the Hamaca people are sometimes violent. One can't be too careful.
 
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Tom

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Re: Hamaca Disco - Entrance policy and threats of violence at the door/confusion

Lilian

This issue as of yet, has not directly affected me, but for future purposes I would surley wish to receive clarification on the issue.

I may be off base, but it seems as though you are criticising Jim for his alleged lack of factual data, but wasn't this part of the message that you originally posted?

>>>The Hotel Hamaca has a history of violence,(as I know to my sorrow) >>>> POSTED BY LILIAN ON 27 Jan.

Thanks for any clarification you may be able to provide

Tom