Danillo Needs to Fix the Energy Problems

LTSteve

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Electricity blackouts have been going on in the DR for years and years. Why can't this problem be fixed. Would you be willing to pay a small surcharge on your electric bill that would be earmarked to solve the DR energy woes?
It seems to me in the this world of high tech innovation that this problem should not be that hard to fix. How about a nuclear power plant? Too dangerous in the DR? Would the rest of the Caribbean allow the DR to build one? This seems very controversal in today's world.

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the gorgon

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Electricity blackouts have been going on in the DR for years and years. Why can't this problem be fixed. Would you be willing to pay a small surcharge on your electric bill that would be earmarked to solve the DR energy woes?
It seems to me in the this world of high tech innovation that this problem should not be that hard to fix. How about a nuclear power plant? Too dangerous in the DR? Would the rest of the Caribbean allow the DR to build one? This seems very controversal in today's world.

LTSTeve

the question is whether or not the USA would allow the DR to operate one so close to Puerto Rico
 

drescape24

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Electricity blackouts have been going on in the DR for years and years. Why can't this problem be fixed. Would you be willing to pay a small surcharge on your electric bill that would be earmarked to solve the DR energy woes?
It seems to me in the this world of high tech innovation that this problem should not be that hard to fix. How about a nuclear power plant? Too dangerous in the DR? Would the rest of the Caribbean allow the DR to build one? This seems very controversal in today's world.

LTSTeve

No I would not want to give the corrupt government any more money until they are responsible with the funds they have.
No to nuclear power plants. Earthquakes and nuclear power plants makes me nervous. How about wind and solar for startes.
 

caribmike

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Dominicans go nuclear? Oh my...

[video=youtube;sJcy4w2_Dro]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJcy4w2_Dro[/video]
 

cobraboy

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Electricity blackouts have been going on in the DR for years and years. Why can't this problem be fixed. Would you be willing to pay a small surcharge on your electric bill that would be earmarked to solve the DR energy woes?
It seems to me in the this world of high tech innovation that this problem should not be that hard to fix. How about a nuclear power plant? Too dangerous in the DR? Would the rest of the Caribbean allow the DR to build one? This seems very controversal in today's world.

LTSTeve
I had to read this twice. LT, do you actually not know why the power goes on and off?

Around half...40-60%...use electricity but don't pay for it. They steal it.

The power producers don't have the $$$ to generate it 24/7/365, nor can afford proper maintenance.

Free energy was an election tool in the past. Now many Dominicans think it's an entitlement and resent paying for it.

You make those people pay for it and you risk political instability. Burning tires in the streets type instability.

There are supposed to be prepay smartmeters coming soon, but seems like just talk. That won't stop illegal hookups.
 

cjp2010

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I wouldn't want to pay the surcharge. I'd rather put my money into an inversor or a generator that was mine and would be reliable than take the chance with misappropriated funds. We have always had power outages at the house, sometimes for as much as a whole day and the inversor we have with three batteries holds up just fine. But we don't use A/C so if we did we may need more batteries. Still, this is a one time investment. Monthly costs for improvements would add up over time. This problem just isn't a problem for me.
 

LTSteve

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I understand the DR has a major problem with collecting debts from business's and individuals who owe big time. Why not cut them off until they start making an effort to pay. The government should consider privatizing electric supply. It would be more expensive but you can be sure a private company would collect any debts they can.

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dv8

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I understand the DR has a major problem with collecting debts from business's and individuals who owe big time. Why not cut them off until they start making an effort to pay.

you are talking about cutting electricity to half of the dominican population. poorer half. that's half of the votes. votes breeding more votes. this is never going to happen. that would mean all out war.
 

windeguy

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I wouldn't want to pay the surcharge. I'd rather put my money into an inversor or a generator that was mine and would be reliable than take the chance with misappropriated funds. We have always had power outages at the house, sometimes for as much as a whole day and the inversor we have with three batteries holds up just fine. But we don't use A/C so if we did we may need more batteries. Still, this is a one time investment. Monthly costs for improvements would add up over time. This problem just isn't a problem for me.

You may not consider it a "problem" because you are apathetic or unaware of the real issues. You had to pay money for an inverter and batteries. You will have to repair the inverter and replace batteries over time. Every watt you take out of that inverter and battery system costs you about 30% more than if it came directly from the power company. So you are already paying a "tax" and consuming more energy than you should have to consume if rule of law worked here.

The "free cheese" mentality of so many people stealing electricity needs to be stopped. That is the only way the problem can be solved. The politicians have no balls and continue to do nothing about it. It was a failed socialist experiment that put the government in charge of power distribution.
 

the gorgon

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You may not consider it a "problem" because you are apathetic or unaware of the real issues. You had to pay money for an inverter and batteries. You will have to repair the inverter and replace batteries over time. Every watt you take out of that inverter and battery system costs you about 30% more than if it came directly from the power company. So you are already paying a "tax" and consuming more energy than you should have to consume if rule of law worked here.

The "free cheese" mentality of so many people stealing electricity needs to be stopped. That is the only way the problem can be solved. The politicians have no balls and continue to do nothing about it. It was a failed socialist experiment that put the government in charge of power distribution.

remember the announcement and attendant fanfare some years ago, about jailing guys with illegal hookups? remember the law was to come into effect at one point, but got delayed until after the elections? electricity will never get fixed in this land. as cobraboy said, Dominicans who steal it actually believe that they are entitled to it for free, and any government that takes steps to cut it off will inevitably lose the next elections. ergo; buy an inversor, if you want 24/7 electricity.
 

cjp2010

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You may not consider it a "problem" because you are apathetic or unaware of the real issues. You had to pay money for an inverter and batteries. You will have to repair the inverter and replace batteries over time. Every watt you take out of that inverter and battery system costs you about 30% more than if it came directly from the power company. So you are already paying a "tax" and consuming more energy than you should have to consume if rule of law worked here.

The "free cheese" mentality of so many people stealing electricity needs to be stopped. That is the only way the problem can be solved. The politicians have no balls and continue to do nothing about it. It was a failed socialist experiment that put the government in charge of power distribution.

You have a point about the inversor costs. But still, my bill is about $1,800 pesos per month so I'm not complaining. In the states my bills were never less than $300 dollars per month and that is with lower KWph charges. A/C and hot water may be a big part of it but at the moment I'm happy.

What I do know is that whenever you ask the government to get involved (anywhere in the world with anything) and start handing them over a surcharge or tax to fix a problem the funds will get misappropriated and/or not used efficiently. Almost every government project I've seen or voted on has cost more than double the price originally specified to the taxpayers. Or worse, got cut 1/2 or 3/4 the way to completion and never finished after all the money was already spent.

Agree with the "free cheese" too and the government can "try" to fix it by making those who don't pay, pay up, but they have tried that in the past with no success. I'm just not willing to hand the government money to fix the problem. I just think if we did that my bill would end up being more than $1,800 per month even if I never had to turn the inversor on again.
 

dv8

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i do not feel the lack of power myself, we have a large inversor with 8 batteries. and hot water. but we are paying the price... about 2500 pesos bill every month and that is with no AC at all. i just wish others would pay the price too...
 
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The government should consider privatizing electric supply. It would be more expensive but you can be sure a private company would collect any debts they can.

They tried in the late 1990's / early 2000's and it multiplied the problem by the factor of 3.
 

malko

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a nuclear reactor in the dr? dear me I want a plane ticket. Where too, sir? Anywhere!!!!
 

windeguy

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a nuclear reactor in the dr? dear me I want a plane ticket. Where too, sir? Anywhere!!!!

Perhaps some smaller nuclear reactors of this clever design:

t's the size of a shed, but you're not likely to find it in any backyard. Using technology originally developed by scientists at Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico, Hyperion Power Generation is creating mini nuclear fission reactors that will provide electricity and hot water to remote locations, nearly all outside the United States.
"There is a strong humanitarian bent to these reactors," said John "Grizz" Deal, Hyperion's CEO. "This was invented to provide electricity and hot water to remote locations, where people might not have electricity or clean water."
Deal says that Hyperion has already received more than 100 orders for the $25-30 millions reactors, which are sealed shut with concrete and have no moving parts. The reactors are designed to generate electricity or boil water clean after being hooked up to water piped near their 500-degree surfaces.
Standard nuclear fission will generate the heat. As the uranium inside the reactor breaks apart naturally, it creates heat and sends neutrons (tiny particles that exist in the nucleus of atoms) blasting out. If those neutrons hit other uranium atoms they break apart as well, creating even more heat and more new neutrons.
Many modern nuclear facilities moderate the reaction with control rods that, when inserted into the nuclear fuel, slow down neutrons. But control rods can fail and reactors can overheat if not properly managed. Hyperion eschews control rods by adding hydrogen atoms to the uranium, which take the place of the control rods to moderate the reaction.
"Since the fuel and the moderator coexist in equilibrium, it's impossible for the chain reaction to go faster than we want it to," said Deal. "What we've done is essentially turned uranium hydride into a battery."



Mini nuclear reactors to power remote areas - Technology & science - Innovation | NBC News
 

cleverlemming

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It seems to me in the this world of high tech innovation that this problem should not be that hard to fix.
LTSTeve

It's primarily a social and a political problem, not a technological one.

I got to know some of the people managing repairs to Haiti's electrical system after the quake. They had the resources they needed but the consensus was that it would likely never be healthy/self-supporting because of the "non-technical losses" of energy. Any gov't which tried to solve the problem of non-technical losses would lose the next election.

Here, the combined technical and non-technical loss is around 40% of electricity generated. 25% of what you pay on your electrical bill is to cover theft.

As someone who works remotely, I have to answer to clients when my electricity or internet is out. As a result, living here full-time is impossible; I have talked to other people who work extensively online who have reached the same conclusions and left.
 

windeguy

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So as you can see, unless some way is found to overcome the "non-technical" government free cheese electricity there is NO SOLUTION. Stupid is as stupid does.

Learn to live with it or leave.
 

La Rubia

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Can they really not fix the problem if they put resources behind it? I think corruption is just as much to blame as illegal hookups.

Success of cell phone companies suggest where there is a will, there is a way.

What about a tiered system where the first X amount is free for everyone? That amount is what a "humble house" with a fan, TV, and lights would need. After that X amount, the rate kicks in, then continues to go up (it's already tiered). That would subsidize it for some, but everyone would get a bill. That would also encourage conservation, which is also a down side to stealing, there is no motivation to reduce use.

As for putting people in jail, you've got to go for the big offenders first.

Classic Catch 22, no-one wants to pay more because of the poor service, service can't improve unless people pay more.
 

cleverlemming

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The Dominican Republic could also follow China's lead and look at Thorium reactors

"...Thorium, they say, provides all the carbon-free energy of uranium - about 300 times more, actually - with almost none of the guilt.

Thorium plants cooled with molten fluoride salt would leave a fraction of the nuclear waste compared to the uranium-fueled, water-cooled plants in use today. In addition, thorium plants can't melt down and don't produce reliable fuel for bombs.

"What's not to love?" asked Kirk Sorensen, a NASA rocket scientist in Huntsville, Ala., who is earning his doctorate in nuclear engineering.

Sorensen has taken up the cause of thorium reactors, an idea conceived in the 1950s and last researched in the United States in the early 1970s at Oak Ridge National Laboratory in Tennessee.

And compared to coal?

"The amount of thorium it would take to power my whole life is the size of a marble that would fit in my hand," Sorensen said. "The amount of coal that would power my life would bury my yard to 30 or 40 feet."


"Despite its early promise, research into liquid-fluoride thorium reactors was abandoned – the most likely reason being that the technology offered no potential for producing nuclear weapons."


The Energy From Thorium Foundation

Bill Gates Invests in Thorium Capable Reactor Venture | IThEo_Org

Kirk Sorensen: Thorium, an alternative nuclear fuel | Video on TED.com

China blazes trail for 'clean' nuclear power from thorium - Telegraph
 

cjp2010

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It's primarily a social and a political problem, not a technological one.

I got to know some of the people managing repairs to Haiti's electrical system after the quake. They had the resources they needed but the consensus was that it would likely never be healthy/self-supporting because of the "non-technical losses" of energy. Any gov't which tried to solve the problem of non-technical losses would lose the next election.

Here, the combined technical and non-technical loss is around 40% of electricity generated. 25% of what you pay on your electrical bill is to cover theft.

As someone who works remotely, I have to answer to clients when my electricity or internet is out. As a result, living here full-time is impossible; I have talked to other people who work extensively online who have reached the same conclusions and left.

I work full time for customers in the U.S. Everything I do is done over the internet. My customers would not tolerate lack of responsiveness, no computer, etc. I liver here full time and have been doing so for about 7 years.

I have an inversor and it gives me 24x7 power in my house even though there are times when the power supply from eDenorte is down for 24 hours or worse down for a total of about 60 hours in a three day period (not much time for batteries to recharge).

I also have very close to full time Internet with my provider, DeLancer. I negotiated a high speed line which works with the Vonage phone with an automatic fallback to a lower speed when it is down. I am never without Internet for more than 15 minutes at a time and that is very, very rare. If that wasn't good enough I could get Claro installed as a backup but I haven't had the need to.

So while we wait for the problem to get fixed (and we may be waiting forever) there are ways to work around it. If you really want to live here this is not a reason to stay away. What I save on my rent and electric vs. what I paid in the U.S. more than covers the little extra I pay for the Internet.