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Haiti bans import of meat and eggs due to swine flu in DR
neither swine flu nor bird flu is transmitted via the meat. Both can only be transmitted by live animals and their feces and mucus.
The bird flu which closed the border trade before is H5n1 and has not jumped from birds to humans in this hemisphere yet ,.. only in Asia.
It closed the border a few years ago.. just eat cooked eggs.
IPS – HAITI/DOMINICAN REPUBLIC: Tensions Grow Over Poultry Ban | Inter Press Service
The H1N1 which is the swine flu, is just like a regular flu Swine flu (H1N1)
you can get vaccinated if you are in a high risk group from the department of health.. listindiario published a notice that there are fraudulent workers going around saying that they are from the department of health and asking for payment and giving shots.. they are NOT
the swine flu is passed the way a regular flu is passed.. through the air. Some reports are saying that is it not even as bad as regular flu
FluTracker - H1N1 Swine Flu and Influenza Outbreak Tracking
I think this is more about TRADE with Haiti than anything
But there has been no mention on DR1 about the swine flu and there have been some deaths from it so best to be aware
I hope the shut it down 100% and never trade again! Enough dumping by ruthless DR biz people in Haiti. They had all but killed the local industry there with their cheaper products.
It's far better for Haiti to import goods at higher prices than from next door, since it will allow their local producers to fill the cheaper role there.
The only things Haiti should allow traded from the DR, are those goods that they don't or can't yet make in their country.
The only way Haiti's local sectors will be able to come back from the ashes, is by their gov halting the dumping in their grounds.
For God's sake! They even import ICE from the DR! ICE!!!!
Shut it 100% but for those goods indicated...
It's far better for Haiti to import goods at higher prices than from next door, since it will allow their local producers to fill the cheaper role there.
The only things Haiti should allow traded from the DR, are those goods that they don't or can't yet make in their country.
The only way Haiti's local sectors will be able to come back from the ashes, is by their gov halting the dumping in their grounds.
For God's sake! They even import ICE from the DR! ICE!!!!
Shut it 100% but for those goods indicated...
it isn't just Haiti./ It was the US that ordered them to kill off their pigs for fear of the swine flu in 1981 and then imported these huge iowa hogs which ate more than ten haitians. It was the US that imported the subsidized rice that killed off the rice industry.
But I agree with you. They have to stop the eggs and chicken and salami .. AND the US Rice!
and I think that is what the ban is about. Medina was just over there saying there was going to be a big push on Salami which had been banned because of the stuff about the fecal content. That was cleared up and now they want to push it again. It sits out in the hot sun all day .. no one has electricity.. better they should eat just rice and beans than that.
It is a big market for the DR but with a little more effort they could get to Cuba which imports 75% of its food.
But I agree with you. They have to stop the eggs and chicken and salami .. AND the US Rice!
and I think that is what the ban is about. Medina was just over there saying there was going to be a big push on Salami which had been banned because of the stuff about the fecal content. That was cleared up and now they want to push it again. It sits out in the hot sun all day .. no one has electricity.. better they should eat just rice and beans than that.
It is a big market for the DR but with a little more effort they could get to Cuba which imports 75% of its food.
It seems that every few years the same story repeats itself. I remember when the Dominican chickens were banned both in Haiti and in Puerto Rico alleging fears of the H1-whatever disease. Puerto Rico sent a delegation and investigate and found the chickens to be perfectly healthy and the risk negligible, so Puerto Rico, with its American based sanitation standards, uplifted the ban on imports of Dominican chicken. This took literally about a week or two.
Haiti? I don't think they ever lifted the ban because I remember having read a news article about a year after the ban (and after Puerto Rico lifted their ban) that Haiti had still banned Dominican chickens alleging the H1 disease.
I had to laugh a little. Folks, I don't think there is a single place in the Caribbean that has a higher sanitation standards than Puerto Rico, so if its good enough for them, it should be good enough for the Haitians. But no, while Puerto Ricans ate millions of Dominican chickens every year, the Haitian government was the only one in the whole world to continue banning the import of Dominican chicken on the basis of "health."
The rumor mill claimed that a Haitian politician got a juicy monopolistic contract to import American chicken products from Florida. Hm, lets just pretend that had nothing to do with Haiti's ban.
Chances are high we are seeing a repeat all over again, but this time its more than chicken.
Haiti? I don't think they ever lifted the ban because I remember having read a news article about a year after the ban (and after Puerto Rico lifted their ban) that Haiti had still banned Dominican chickens alleging the H1 disease.
I had to laugh a little. Folks, I don't think there is a single place in the Caribbean that has a higher sanitation standards than Puerto Rico, so if its good enough for them, it should be good enough for the Haitians. But no, while Puerto Ricans ate millions of Dominican chickens every year, the Haitian government was the only one in the whole world to continue banning the import of Dominican chicken on the basis of "health."
The rumor mill claimed that a Haitian politician got a juicy monopolistic contract to import American chicken products from Florida. Hm, lets just pretend that had nothing to do with Haiti's ban.
Chances are high we are seeing a repeat all over again, but this time its more than chicken.
Haitians can't compete against the goods from the DR, not a the price where stuff is just dumped in cycles there.
DR is the biggest problem for Haitian producers right now, forget US rice! That rice can be handled easy, DR can't be stopped so easy across the porous border.
Haiti needs to impose a tax to the DR goods at the door, which makes the goods a bit more expensive than the Haitian ones. That way Haiti can foment the local products all the whilst avoiding getting products to become scarce in the market and thus force a black market.
Just enough to allow the Haitian chicken and egg producers to sell a few cents cheaper than DR goods is enough. That way they can slowly grow their production whilst not cutting the food supplies they need to compensate for lack of self sufficient industry there.
The DR did just that for decades, even with goods being scarce in some areas.
It's doable!
DR is the biggest problem for Haitian producers right now, forget US rice! That rice can be handled easy, DR can't be stopped so easy across the porous border.
Haiti needs to impose a tax to the DR goods at the door, which makes the goods a bit more expensive than the Haitian ones. That way Haiti can foment the local products all the whilst avoiding getting products to become scarce in the market and thus force a black market.
Just enough to allow the Haitian chicken and egg producers to sell a few cents cheaper than DR goods is enough. That way they can slowly grow their production whilst not cutting the food supplies they need to compensate for lack of self sufficient industry there.
The DR did just that for decades, even with goods being scarce in some areas.
It's doable!
In 1981, it was African Swine Fever, which is harmless to humans, but close to 100% fatal in pigs. It was thought to have gotten into Haiti first through discarded airline food and the US tried to exterminate every pig on the island for fear that it would spread to the US mainland. (or that's the story, but let's keep the conspiracy theories out of this). It was bad for the DR and disastrous for Haiti, where pigs were often the only means of getting any trade-able equity. That and the collapse of the sugar economy(as the US went to HFCS) were both contributing factors to the downfall of the Duvalier regime.
Egg production in Haiti would be a nice industry to revive(or even start), but it requires a stable infrastructure to work at the economies of scale needed to compete the DR.(clean water, electric for venting and a distribution system). Ideally, you also need laying stock that have been vaccinated against common diseases. Laying hens also need proper feed to produce in any quantity if Haiti is putting heavy tariffs on imported feed(which is quite likely), there is no way Haiti will ever be able to compete with DR prices. In the meantime, most Haitians are lucky to be able to get one egg a month..
Swine Fever outbreak:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PEPPADEP
9 eggs a year in 2002:
http://www.caribbeanpoultry.org/docs/cpi/caricom_poultry_consumption_2002.pdf
Egg production in Haiti would be a nice industry to revive(or even start), but it requires a stable infrastructure to work at the economies of scale needed to compete the DR.(clean water, electric for venting and a distribution system). Ideally, you also need laying stock that have been vaccinated against common diseases. Laying hens also need proper feed to produce in any quantity if Haiti is putting heavy tariffs on imported feed(which is quite likely), there is no way Haiti will ever be able to compete with DR prices. In the meantime, most Haitians are lucky to be able to get one egg a month..
Swine Fever outbreak:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PEPPADEP
9 eggs a year in 2002:
http://www.caribbeanpoultry.org/docs/cpi/caricom_poultry_consumption_2002.pdf
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There have been three items in the news so far this week.
DR1 News, Monday 3 June:
DR1 News, Thursday 6 June:
and
And before that:
DR1 News Friday 24 May
Haiti is ramping up small egg production with householders. The ministry of Agriculture is promoting the project. This only involves about 50 chickens or so each but can be scaled up.
I was told that the last commercial producer went out of business during the embargo against Haiti during Cedras or some time around there. DR egg producers dumped eggs on the Haitian market at well below production cost. I do not know if this is true or not but the last big commercial producer went out of business then.
I was told that the last commercial producer went out of business during the embargo against Haiti during Cedras or some time around there. DR egg producers dumped eggs on the Haitian market at well below production cost. I do not know if this is true or not but the last big commercial producer went out of business then.
http://tatemwatkins.com/post/51719299559/brazil-and-jamaica-getting-fowl-in-haiti-or-why-you
evidently there is commercial egg production now in Haiti as well
evidently there is commercial egg production now in Haiti as well
from the article linked above
Haiti?s most striking problem when it comes to food imports isn?t that the country can?t compete with mechanized agriculture and agricultural subsidies in the United States and Brazil and elsewhere. It?s that Haiti can?t produce chickens, eggs, and vegetables at competitive prices compared to its Hispaniola neighbor. The Dominican Republic does have more and better capital and less soil erosion. But it raises the exact same produce much more efficiently by employing the exact same form of labor that?s used on the western third of the island?poor Haitians.
Haiti?s most striking problem when it comes to food imports isn?t that the country can?t compete with mechanized agriculture and agricultural subsidies in the United States and Brazil and elsewhere. It?s that Haiti can?t produce chickens, eggs, and vegetables at competitive prices compared to its Hispaniola neighbor. The Dominican Republic does have more and better capital and less soil erosion. But it raises the exact same produce much more efficiently by employing the exact same form of labor that?s used on the western third of the island?poor Haitians.
Mountainannie, I ask you this question because you have an abundance of knowledge about Haiti, since you interact on a daily basis with Haitians and also by your extensive travels to Haiti and helping the people. Can't something be done about the barren land, maybe fertilize the soil to produce crops, or is it beyond remedy?
I think by the time rural farmers pay for feed in small bags, home built coops and other inputs, they'd end up paying more for raising their own eggs than importing. It's not just subsidizing, it's more a matter of economy of scale. Something like half of the eggs in US are produced by two very centralized factories. Last time I bought eggs in bulk in NY, they were $1.20/doz. Roadside eggs sell for around $4/dozen and I don't think they are making a huge mark-up.
You also need the right kind of chickens for producing eggs on a small scale. A breed meant to be put in a battery cage isn't going to be a good forager. The roadside farm stands here often use Araucana chickens which lay bluish-green eggs. They're known for being very good at raising large clutches and are native to South America. Another breed that might be good for Haiti would be Guinea Fowl for meat chickens. Guinea Fowl are fairly popular in some parts of Europe, are good foragers, and definitely adapted to the hot climate.
Guinea Fowl:
http://friedneckbones.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/guinea-fowl.jpg
You also need the right kind of chickens for producing eggs on a small scale. A breed meant to be put in a battery cage isn't going to be a good forager. The roadside farm stands here often use Araucana chickens which lay bluish-green eggs. They're known for being very good at raising large clutches and are native to South America. Another breed that might be good for Haiti would be Guinea Fowl for meat chickens. Guinea Fowl are fairly popular in some parts of Europe, are good foragers, and definitely adapted to the hot climate.
Guinea Fowl:
http://friedneckbones.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/guinea-fowl.jpg
I raised ducks here for a while.
Their eggs are HUGE, and Tasty!
And so are the ducks!
Kind of a messy project, so I ate them all!
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Their eggs are HUGE, and Tasty!
And so are the ducks!
Kind of a messy project, so I ate them all!
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Duck breast is my favorite cut of meat by far. I make a couple cuts through the skin to help it render, grill it and finish it in the oven to about 140? and serve it with some good quality bacon over a risotto. You can cook duck to a lower temp than chicken, which by code needs to be cooked to 165? in the US. Duck can be cooked to med rare..