Ottawa to Cabarete, January 2017, BnB

mirandakate

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Hi there,

We're two women moving from Ottawa, ON Canada to Cabarete in 17 short months with our dog, opening a BnB.

To support our BnB that is soon to come to fruition, I am launching a blog promoting backpacking the island and am excited to have DR1 as a reliable, up to date connection to Dominican. I'm sure I will be citing DR1 as the source for much of my research.

We are especially looking to connect with other LGBT business owners and expats in Dominican.

Cheers,
Miranda & Kate
 

windeguy

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Welcome. However:

I would never recommend to anyone to come to the DR if they need to make money by opening a business. But, it is a great way to lose money. Did you realize that the tourist business on the north coast is the worst it has been in 20 years?

Did you take out an Ad on DR1 to promote this business?

At least you two don't have to worry about Sankies. :p:lick:
 

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We don't need to make money opening a business. We're in it for the lifestyle. I also work remotely online managing social media for businesses, and will continue doing this when we move. Yes, I'm aware of the decline in this particular area. Very evident with all of the eerily vacant storefronts and hotels etc. especially when we last visited in April. The difference is staggering. I'll definitely take out an Ad to promote it when we have a physical location! Thanks for the suggestions windeguy!


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AnnaC

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Welcome to DR1. Yes if you are going to continually mention your business you need to buy an ad. Friendly warning from another Canadian, please use "DR" or "the Dominican Republic" when mentioning this Island. People on this board get very upset when the proper name for this Island isn't used. Anal but true. :)

Good luck and I hope you have done your homework first. Lots of negative posts to follow but read because some could be good advice in the long run.
 

windeguy

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Working on line is the only way to go here. As long as you are willing to feed money constantly into such a venture, it will survive. A lifestyle choice of probably losing money is what you will likely be in. The ad is a requirement on DR1 to talk about such a business in the forums.
 

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It's a little premature, but welcome to the North Coast. Obviously your business is geared towards vacationers. A BnB is a North American/European concept. Most tourist coming to stay on the North Coast are either booked into an all-inclusive resort with a vacation company or are looking for accommodations with a kitchen where the vacationer can cook their own meals.

Your proposed business will probably need to make the vast majority of its yearly income during the tourist season from October to April. It may be very quiet the rest of the year.

With respect to you publicly reaching out to other proprietors with a similar lifestyle philosophy, just be aware that segments of the DR are not quite as accepting of this as some other countries and societies. Some businesses that have openly made statements that the Church or the Police disagree with have been harassed and found themselves ongoing targets in the past. It might be a good idea to consider curtailing this aspect of your inquiries in public until you are up and running and have a more informed opinion of what impact such public disclosures may have on you and your business.

It takes time to grow any new business. You will be in direct competition with large established travel companies and condo rental agencies. You should expect that you will need to externally subsidize your daily life and new business for quite sometime before seeing a profit, if you ever get to that point at all.

Good luck and remember, the sum total of the many years of experience of lots of the expats here on DR1 is this: If you need to to work or operate a business to generate income to live on here in the DR, think really hard before you commit yourself. Many businesses simply do not succeed. Unless you have legal status to live in the DR, any business you start would also be illegal and your assets may be subject to seizure and forfeiture. Wages in the DR are nothing compared to what you could potentially make at home. Living in the DR without enough money is not pleasant.

Always have enough cash tucked away to get you out of here if things do not work out.

Good luck and I look forward to the grand opening party...
 
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mirandakate

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I'm just introducing myself and my background/giving context as to why we are coming to DR as I saw many people do on this forum. I won't be promoting it from here. It isn't even a real business yet! I have no means of profiting from it at all. When it is, I will be sure to promote it on DR1.

Thanks for the heads up re: DR/Dominican Republic.

I've don't lots of research and continue to, every single day. I anticipate negative responses - as on all expat forums it seems - I think it is important not to assume that others have not "done their research". If I haven't - it's probably your gain! My business would be destined to fail and yours will continue on. C'est la vie.


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william webster

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Last year's Christmas bookings in Cabarete were over the top....

an excellent year from the retailers I spoke with.
Hotels were full for 3-4 months.
 

windeguy

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Last year's Christmas bookings in Cabarete were over the top....

an excellent year from the retailers I spoke with.
Hotels were full for 3-4 months.


As long as they can survive the other 8 to 9 months with hardly any business they are in great shape then.

To the OP. It is not like many here have businesses upon which to gain from another persons failure. Most of us have come here to retire and not run businesses. What we do is see others come here with the idea of opening a bar/restaurant/hotel etc, fail and move on. Time and time again. If the responses are negative, they are also realistic.
 

AnnaC

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Oh, one more very important thing, start your Dominican residency while in Canada.
 

william webster

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As long as they can survive the other 8 to 9 months with hardly any business they are in great shape then.

To the OP. It is not like many here have businesses upon which to gain from another persons failure. Most of us have come here to retire and not run businesses. What we do is see others come here with the idea of opening a bar/restaurant/hotel etc, fail and move on. Time and time again. If the responses are negative, they are also realistic.


Windy,
I'm sure you realize that company's like Macy's , Sears , etc all rely on the holiday period for their profits.

Without December, they're all pretty weak.

Retail is seasonal for many
 

Cdn_Gringo

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Yes but Macy's or Sears can always run a sale or promo to lure the customers in. When there are few bodies in the DR to lure in...

Even a free giveaway is predated on convincing a potential customer to hop on an airplane to take advantage of that great deal. The OP has already explained that they are not in this for the income but for the lifestyle. Great. More power to them. They speak English, they are Canadian and they are from my home town - I like them already.
 

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Windy,
I'm sure you realize that company's like Macy's , Sears , etc all rely on the holiday period for their profits.

Without December, they're all pretty weak.

Retail is seasonal for many

Yes, but they have huge inventories of products to sell during that season. The "inventory" of a B and B is the same all year long.
So in a great Christmas season, a B and B will be turning away many clients. A B and B is not at all the same business model as a retail store. Your comparison is not a valid one.
 

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Cdn_Gringo, everything you said is aligned with my research and observations, I appreciate your contributions!

As for remaining private vs. public, online I try to be fairly anonymous. It's not like I'm handing out my legal names or passport number. It's imperative I not only connect with business owners - but now, LGBT ones, so we can really understand how to maneuver and navigate business ownership in a new country that isn't entirely accepting of our sexuality. It is dependent on time, place, and company. However, some recent strides have been made, and DR is considering implementing an LGBT tourism campaign to officially advertise DR as an LGBT friendly destination. The LGBT community spends over $200billion dollars annually (as of 2014: http://m.hospitalitynet.org/news/4062941.html) which is one of the motivating factors for DR, understandably. It will be interesting to see how the next few years pan out.

We intend on starting the process to obtain permanent residency cards as well to avoid it being seized of course.

A nest egg is an absolute must as well.

Thanks for the great intro Cdn_Gringo! Looking forward to a distant but exciting grand opening party. I'm sure it will come faster than we think!


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mirandakate

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Thank you Anna C! I was going to ask that. We will go to the consulate this month!


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mirandakate

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Thanks william webster, we will check out the thread!

Windeguy & yourself make some valid points re: high season. With a BnB, our rooms will be priced accordingly to make up for the periods of time in which it will be empty, while remaining competitive with other BnB's in the area. We aren't relying on the income regardless - not that I don't want to have a successful BnB, I just know it will take time to build up.


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Figuring out how to price yourself to the market will be a challenge in itself. Charge too much during high season and you get nobody. Better to leave something on the table than to go too high.

Advertise the "special aspects" of your business outside the country.
 

windeguy

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The LBGT tourism business is significant, but it is about 17% of the world tourism business. So don't limit yourselves. Being here in the DR will impose so many other limits already.