Sex Tourist contribution to economy

Many so called sex tourists travel 3 or 4 times a year. Many approach the $1000 a week in girls "fees" alone. Many rent cars. Many (most won't admit it though) send remittances between trips to their favorite girls....or are conned.

Nearly all girls have to feed kid(s) and support their family to survive.

Example of economic impact of lack of tourists in Sosua Los Cheramicos.
- small business hair saloons and boutiques are starving or had to close.
- Room renting went down
- consumption of cheap drugs rises as pain relief for worries and hunger of the girls

This opinion only is about that prostitution is a major economic factor.



Alexander

The government does not consider prostitution tourism in general as a major economic factor. Yes, it influences the distinct areas mentioned in the OP, but has little effect on the country overall.

We have been down this road before. Those who come here for the prostitutes think they are saviours.. The DR government would much rather not have the reputation of being a destination for prostitution.

there is a simple reality to the whole idea of prostitution in terms of the contribution to the economy. one thing that has to be taken into consideration is the lure. a huge, if not preponderant number of the people who go to Sosua got there for the monty. as a black man, i will speak for the AA guys who come here. the guys whom gringos refer to as the Jet Black crowd. not one of these guys comes here because Sosua is an interesting place, with ancient sites of wonder to behold. Sosua is DEAD between Monday and Wednesday. my buddy supplies Jamaican beef patties to a guy who sells a tonload on the weekends. he does not even bother to call the buyer between Sunday and Wednesday. when those guys come in, the guys with the villas make rental money, and everything goes straight into the local economy. the multipliers take effect, and there is high velocity spending. as windy says, it might not have a major effect on the overall economy, but without prostitution you can turn out the lights in Sosua, Boca Chica, and other places. look at POP. it was jumping up to 2004, or thereabouuts. they razed Long Beach, and you have to look for tourists there with a lantern.

another factor is that although it is not an in your face thing, most of the businessman types who come here are getting their allocation of higher end trim. go to places like Casa Theresa in SD, and many of those girls are being dragged out by foreigners. the same applies to places like La Romana. just ask Menendez.

Can't be denied regarding small town of Sosua.

The overall impact on the DR economy is small to very small compared to the number of tourists going to Punta Cana.

windeguy said:

Can't be denied regarding small town of Sosua.

The overall impact on the DR economy is small to very small compared to the number of tourists going to Punta Cana.

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i have never been to Punta Cana, so i am not in a position to make any observations about the poon trade in that part of the island.

the contribution per person is higher than the regular tourist but the impact on economy is small because the total number of such tourists is revalively low.

a ho in BB is just under 2,000 pesos. many have multiple girls a day. add tips, hotel itself, meals and drinks... it ads up nicely.

the gorgon said:

i have never been to Punta Cana, so i am not in a position to make any observations about the poon trade in that part of the island.

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I can though. Believe it or not there are more hookers in Punta Cana, Bavaro than in Sousua. And it is not even close.
There are 3 out and out whore houses here. Blue LIght, Jazzy's, and the Ladies Factory. Any bar in Fruisa you will pretty much find them Steve's Bar and around the corner is a very large new bar full of cueros.

Also there is the Flamboyan Hotel that rents by the hour. I can go on and on. It is just way more spread out here than Pedro Clisante.

That said I would say a very small percentage, mayby less than 3% of the visitors ever see this. As there are over 100 hotels here and just about all are AI's.

dv8 said:

the contribution per person is higher than the regular tourist but the impact on economy is small because the total number of such tourists is revalively low.

a ho in BB is just under 2,000 pesos. many have multiple girls a day. add tips, hotel itself, meals and drinks... it ads up nicely.

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That's why when William and I open up our TIM HORTONS its going to have Cabanas in the Back.. Called Timmies Cabanas..

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I can though. Believe it or not there are more hookers in Punta Cana, Bavaro than in Sousua. And it is not even close.
There are 3 out and out whore houses here. Blue LIght, Jazzy's, and the Ladies Factory. Any bar in Fruisa you will pretty much find them Steve's Bar and around the corner is a very large new bar full of cueros.

Also there is the Flamboyan Hotel that rents by the hour. I can go on and on. It is just way more spread out here than Pedro Clisante.

That said I would say a very small percentage, mayby less than 3% of the visitors ever see this. As there are over 100 hotels here and just about all are AI's.

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i knew it existed, but i had no idea that it was that rampant. i am now willing to bet that the money which actually goes into the hooker trade has a greater effect on the local economy, ON A PER CAPITA BASIS, than the money which trickles out of the hotel trade. a hooker at some of these high end digs is raking in maybe 2500 pesos for her time, plus ancilliaries like drinks and food, plus the odd pair of shoes, salon money, maybe a cellphone...you name it. that sure beats her female counterpart who works in the kitchen making 1500 pesos per week.

SKY said:

I can though. Believe it or not there are more hookers in Punta Cana, Bavaro than in Sousua. And it is not even close.
There are 3 out and out whore houses here. Blue LIght, Jazzy's, and the Ladies Factory. Any bar in Fruisa you will pretty much find them Steve's Bar and around the corner is a very large new bar full of cueros.

Also there is the Flamboyan Hotel that rents by the hour. I can go on and on. It is just way more spread out here than Pedro Clisante.

That said I would say a very small percentage, mayby less than 3% of the visitors ever see this. As there are over 100 hotels here and just about all are AI's.

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Of course there are prostitutes everywhere. But the total contribution to the economy is very small. As you mentioned in your guesstimate that not even 3% of visitors ever even see the hooker scene in Punta Cana. Yet these "3 percenters" think they save the DR. Nothing could be further from the truth.

the gorgon said:

i knew it existed, but i had no idea that it was that rampant. i am now willing to bet that the money which actually goes into the hooker trade has a greater effect on the local economy, ON A PER CAPITA BASIS, than the money which trickles out of the hotel trade. a hooker at some of these high end digs is raking in maybe 2500 pesos for her time, plus ancilliaries like drinks and food, plus the odd pair of shoes, salon money, maybe a cellphone...you name it. that sure beats her female counterpart who works in the kitchen making 1500 pesos per week.

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The fancy clubs I mentioned will get at least $200 US for a short session in one of their rooms or whatever they call them. And they rob you blind on a drink tab in these places. A girl says can you buy me a drink. They give her apple juice for $10 US. I am not kidding.

SKY said:

The fancy clubs I mentioned will get at least $200 US for a short session in one of their rooms or whatever they call them. And they rob you blind on a drink tab in these places. A girl says can you buy me a drink. They give her apple juice for $10 US. I am not kidding.

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Those are some dumb "3 Percenters".

SKY said:

The fancy clubs I mentioned will get at least $200 US for a short session in one of their rooms or whatever they call them. And they rob you blind on a drink tab in these places. A girl says can you buy me a drink. They give her apple juice for $10 US. I am not kidding.

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typical USA style operations. 200 dollars!! you are pulling my pud!! 9 large!! these guys must be smoking some serious stuff.

please tell us if these places actually have customers, or are usually empty most of the time.

the gorgon said:

typical USA style operations. 200 dollars!! you are pulling my pud!! 9 large!! these guys must be smoking some serious stuff.

please tell us if these places actually have customers, or are usually empty most of the time.

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I am in the Casino and Sportsbook business, so when I have a very large player and he is looking for this I will send him to Jazzy's with one of my workers. I had 3 big players once. I gave a kid that works for me $1500 US and there was less than 100 US change from that with drinks and the rest.

As for customer's, not a lot in these places except for the Blue Light. That is run by a black American and draws a lot of locals. They rob you, but very small. A lot of Dominicans come in and hang out at the bar and just drink beer and NEVER run a tab. And if they take a girl it is not the Gringo price they pay.

the gorgon said:

i knew it existed, but i had no idea that it was that rampant. i am now willing to bet that the money which actually goes into the hooker trade has a greater effect on the local economy, ON A PER CAPITA BASIS, than the money which trickles out of the hotel trade.

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aside from the airfare the money spent by the mongers stay in the hands of local businesses, regardless whether it is a hotel or a snatch. but still, their numbers are much lower than AI tourists.

Prostitution is legal and well regulated in some countries. Germany and the Netherlands comes to mind. In other places, Thailand,the DR, Philippines etc. it exists but is not controlled and cultivated as a legitimate sector of the the economy. World's oldest profession. There will always be a market.

If the Govt here were to license, tax and remove the pandering from the street corners, an upscale tourist draw could be created. Clients would appreciate regular medical checkups, the girls and guys could be protected from assaults and deviants, families could walk the streets without offending little Johnnie's developing morality and everyone could coexist. Like with pot, once an air of legitimacy comes to an economic sector, the lowlife criminal element for the most part moves on as competition kills corrupt monopolies. The clients could go to the providers rather than the other way around .The money to be made is staggering.

The negative publicity would soon pass as it has in other countries that have taken the sex trade mainstream.

I have no direct knowledge, but I expect that a sizable chunk of the earnings made tonight immediately goes to pay a pimp/facilitator, to the cops, for housing and misc supplies. What little is left is for the provider themselves.

I don't have strong feelings one way or the other. If it is allowed to flourish and is done right the money to be made could benefit the providers, the community, local and state Governments with some left over to pad the pockets of those who feel the need to fill them at every opportunity. Allowed to sputter along as an afterthought adjunct to the tourist sector, pretty much no one comes out looking every good and the objectionable and unsavoury influences can continue to the determent of everyone but themselves.

The far eastern sector of Sosua (which is pretty awful now) could glow red from twilight to dawn and sparkle in the sunlight the rest of the day. Those with property there would make a killing. There is a new CESTUR station just waiting for money and an excuse to open. A casino nearby and a dedicated shuttle service from the western end of town and back would complete the picture. Sosua as a whole would come to life again with reopened hotels, Apartments and a revitalized economy. Prosperity could return. This model could be implemented in Boca Chica and in SD but probably not in the ZC.

All it takes is the courage to admit that you can't stop it, so you may as well embrace it, and make it work for the benefit of everyone. The local population will embrace that, the tourists will love it and the money tap can be opened fully.

Every chica in Santiago has a smart phone now. And boy they are connected. WhatsApp is on fire. I found more new girls in 5 days than I have in 10 years. One shout out from my ex-novias son and I had 15 new connections in my 1st 2 days. One girl told me it has been a busy summer with all the Doms visiting from NYC and beyond. She had over 10 gringos ( she speaks English ) and to many Doms to count on her client list. The girl just turned 20 and has an apartment in Allegro being built. A few others have also put down deposits with Arconim for their apartments.

They no longer go to Sosua or the Capital. Some are spending long profitable weekends at the AI's with their WU novios. I know they are a small portion of the economy but are getting educated in technology and using it to bring the monger to them. And consider the street meat that hooked a gringo and moved to greener pastures. They are sending money home and remittances seem to be a big part of the economy. Debate all you want. No one will really know how much the sex tourists really spend.

dv8 said:

the contribution per person is higher than the regular tourist but the impact on economy is small because the total number of such tourists is revalively low.

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The money the girls spend mostly go to small business owners:
Boutiques, hair salons, colmado owners.

In contrast money spend in all inclusive hotels for a great part goes to investors and not into the local society.

Impact on local economics is by an unknown factor higher than money spend in all inclusive hotels (for example).

So 1$ a girl makes is as good as $3 elsewhere (maybe).

Only point for me is that YES prostitution has an impact on LOCAL economics.
It is NOT my point that prostitution is good.
Especially because many girls see no other choice to escape from extreme poverty and to feed crying kinds.

May be a solution would be to give everyone on the planet money for nothing, like $1000 monthly.
Has never been tried before, would be interesting what would happen.


Alexander