Go girls!

Thanks god the money is still controlled by men.
Equal rights mean: now you pay for yourselves in restaurants. Drive yourself to the guy's house. Treat guys to dinners, pay for booze. take out your own garbage, open up your own jars, buy yourselves your own clothes, pay higher prices for car repairs and for new cars etc. pay your own rent, phone, insurance etc etc etc.
Oh, thats in addition to making babies, cooking cleaning and raising kids, while the man goes out drinking with buddies. hehehehehe.
Oh, its great to be a man....
Just joking... good work ladies.

Women's Pib...sorry lib!!

Pib:

I agree and support you women 100%. Take over everything and let us have the homes. I am kind of used to it already. I do my cooking,washing,cleaning, etc.

We now just need to stay home for good while you girls do all the work outside.

One condition though, I want cable, DSL, VIP plan, a 1000 watt Bose system and a cellular while I do the dishes.

TW

I see the same thing happening with female and male Dominican students who go to college from NYC high schools. The tigre mentality among SOME of the young Dominican males, doesn't payoff in the classroom. I also see my wife, sister-in-laws, nieces, and female friends of the family in the NYC area, achieving a great deal professionally. The men don't do quite as well. Maybe the stricter discipline enforced on Dominican females has some advantages.

Ditto what TW says, except for all the gadgets.

PIB I have a question and some thoughts

Do you work for yourself or a man? If you work for a man, read on please.

Women don't have that KILLER instinct to work for themselves and get down and dirty and to do what needs to be done. They lack the balls to get the job done.

Nothing bad meant and this of course is stereotypical and doesn't mean that there aren't exceptions.

Just some thoughts...

Regards,
Scott

"that KILLER instinct"

Yo Scott,

what part of the world do live in? The modern, educated professional woman is going to eat you up. As an example, our daughter (a college business major) has just been promoted after only six months at her job, over the heads of her male colleges that have been in the department for years. If she continues on her present career path with in the next two years she will be able to become free lance consultant, with a six figure income. . .

regards,

. . . CES"

keep it up

Judging form my own family (mother,aunts,cousins,..et al), its clear that Dominican women are progressing faster than the men. keep up the good work. Education is the ONLY answer.

Two thumbs up ! (I swear, there's two)

A DR with more Pibs and fewer Golos has to be good for the whole world.
Atta boy!. No, cross that out.
Atta ladies!!
Pepe the Womanizer

Scott

Get a life!!!!LOL

Educated Dominican Ladies RULE! ! !

I must agree 100% with Tom F. and Mr. Mondongo - "Judging form my own family (mother, aunts, cousins, ..et al)" - as to the successful gains that Dominican ladies are making in breaking away for the old stereotypical image. In the context of my wife's family the nieces are quite successful, all ether work full time or have their own businesses. One nice has made good inroads into the business world, she is an equal partner and comptroller of a corporation that has offices in all the major cities of the DR. My Suegra owned a small business in the 50s, 60s and was well respected in her community. Also I would add that ALL of the female children in our extended family have gone to or are attending college. And I've made mention of this before, Mrs. CES is presently employed in an administrative position for a 250 bed hospital here in N. California. . .

regards,

. . . CES"

Re: Re: PIB I have a question and some thoughts

Pib said:

In my neck of the woods that's what's called a mental hiccup. _{^{Some prefer to call it a brain fart.}}

Now, I don't have the statistics at hand, but I'll look it up to back up this statement: A large ammount -or it could be the majority- of small business in DR are owned by women. What does it say? Money is changing hands, slowly, too slow for my taste, but it is happening. And I consider that a BIG achievement if you take into consideration these factors:

Reply:

Do you work for yourself or a man? Second time I asked. If you don't want to answer it is ok, just let me know.

You said:

1) Riches have traditionally been in control of men. The change has to go slow, we don't want to start another French Revolution after all. Evolution is the word.
2) Women in this country and over the world were second class citizens until the second fith of the last century (the one that ended last year). We are new at this thing and we are doing quite good IMHO.
3) Women have the total weight of childbearing and I would say almost all the weight of the upbringing of children. We have to balance many things while the man has been traditionally ONLY a provider, but he did little or no work at home. Most men still don't.

Reply:

I don't disagree let alone want to hold you back. I was just trying to discuss a point I was trying to make.

You said:

4) Living in DR is no piece of cake. Being a woman in DR is doubly hard. The burden of the family is on the woman. Even in countries were men pay child-support religiously most women choose to retain custody of their children, that is a job in itself.

Reply:

Short of coming to the country with a basketful of money, I believe it is hard living in the DR for men also.

Believe it or not some men choose to have their children but are unable to because of discrimination against fathers. Most judges in the US prefer the mothers despite good arguments to the contrary.

I believe that it IS a job raising children properly. Our children are our lifes work. You won't get any more satisfaction than raising a child and seeing her/him do well in life.

You said:

5) Women have to fight prejudice and half-a**ed macho sterotypes. Like yours.

Reply:

Well I said that it was a stereotype and that there are exceptions to every rule. I don't actually like stereotypes myself. I really just wanted a discussion on the subject I brought up.

No real need to "FIGHT" me. Polite discussion may do the trick.

You said:

6) We get our period every month.

Beat that kid. And about women trying to emulate men? NO way Jose! Women who compare themselves to men are understimating themselves. Maybe we "lack the balls" but we have other trinckets inside.

Reply:

Well I am glad I don't get a period every month. The mood swings would kill me.

Tell me about the trinckets?

Regards,
Scott

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Re: "that KILLER instinct"

CES said:

Yo Scott,

what part of the world do live in? The modern, educated professional woman is going to eat you up. As an example, our daughter (a college business major) has just been promoted after only six months at her job, over the heads of her male colleges that have been in the department for years. If she continues on her present career path with in the next two years she will be able to become free lance consultant, with a six figure income. . .

regards,

. . . CES"

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I live in Woodstock NY and Nyack NY. I haven't found a modern, educated, professional woman that has ever "Eaten me up" figuratively that is.

I am 51 years old. I am in the process of retiring. I have been in business's for 30 plus years. I have NEVER met a formidable female opponent in business.

PIB is an engineer. I owned an Licensed Engineering firm. I owned a construction (home building) company. I have been in the retail Furniture business and retail electronics business. I am in the Real Estate business and retail electronics currently.

Never once have I come across an agressive woman that ate my lunch.

I wish your daughter well. I bet she works for a man presently. No sense talking about the future yet.

I have tried to prepare my daughter to be an independant, strong, free thinker. She has been in at least one major production in the biggest theater every year since she was 4 years old. She has a black belt in Karate and is going for her 2nd degree black later this year. She plays the flute like an angel. She has NEVER had less than an "A" average thoughout her private school carreer. I funded her college when she turned 2 years old in US Savings Bonds because I didnt want to gamble with her future. I didn't want my investment in a Lucent or some other company to limit what she can do for her education.

Besides all that I have mentioned she is the sweetest, kindest and most caring child I have run across. We try to do what is best for our children as you can see that I have. I took two years of retirement when she was born while my wife went back to college to get her second masters degree in Speech and Hearing to go along with her Masters in Rehab Couseling.

I am not knocking women if that is what anyone is thinking. I wanted to discuss some thoughts is all.

Regards
Scott

taking "my lumps". . .

Hi Scott,

You got'tah know that your "work'n a tough house here" as in doing 'standup' comedy for a non receptive crowd, choose your words well. Most of he readers here will take you on first blush, the ol' first impression thing, it will follow you for a very long time. Presently I'm taking "my lumps" in the "Children at Play" thread.

Now as for my daughters, both are on professional career paths. The eldest works at something that I would best describe as the "dog eat dog" world of commercial 'art', (NY City) in that if your 'campaign' is a dud your "fired" and your chances are slim when you're out knock'n on doors looking for employment. If you (my daughter) can make it in 'the big Apple' then, I would think it indicates a certain level of successes in the business world.

The business 'Ed' daughter "works for women"* and supervises "men", in this case some of the most 'anal' (well at least some/ a few/ many) in the world, - Medical Doctors. That's right Scott, she tells M.Ds. that what they've just done is wrong', 'way wrong'. You can imagine that some of these "God's personnel representatives on earth" are less than enthralled when they are directed to redo some of their work. I should say that daughter #2 works for a 1000 bed teaching hospital in the medical information department. In the state of California the business of medical records is regulated by many thick binders of regs. and if you want to be successful then you must have a comprehensive working knowledge of literally thousands of points of information. By way of comparing these titles and regulations makes your city, county, and state building codes look very easy to work with.

regards,

. . . CES"

*(three levels above of supervision are all women)

Pepe, Pib,Golo(TW) and AZB

Pepe:

I know you would be very happy to get rid of Golos and AZBs so that more PIBS can be built.

But, let me tell you, most of the women we go out with are in college and or college graduates and still they lean on us for help.

Granted, women are making lots of progress, but where else can they go but up? It was almost the same thing with the Dominican economy. We lived many years of inflation, recession and low GNPs. We had to come up someday. Where are we today? Only up,up and up. So are women. Men have no higher to go, so they can only go down in relation to women.

I truly welcome more wealth and better pay for women. I am tired of supporting women. They want 50% of everything we owe just for bearing children. Let them have their children and pay for it,or at least share the burden. Most men truly would prefer having no children. They just dont admit it. Women are the ones putting pressure on us to have children, specially Dominican women. One child is enough. But nooooo! They want five!!! And they want us to feed them too.

Pib, what about you? How many children do you want? How much are you going to contribute?

TW

Re: Scotty boy

Pib said:

Even if your intention wasn't "knocking women" you have to admit that comments such as "They lack the balls to get the job done" did not really help you get across your message.

Reply:

Sure it did. It got it across so well you havent answered my first question. Do you work for a man?

You said:

Your post did not add much in terms of constructive discussion. In your last two posts you just repeat yourself and then add an apologetic -or should I say patronizing? -comment.

Reply:

I wouldnt patronize you if your trinckets were made of gold. You don't mean enough to me to even think about patronizing you.

I wouldn't apologize to you either. I expressed some thoughts and people commented on them. Who is to say what constructive is? You? Me?

You said:

Let me try to educate you Scotty boy, we women are not out to eat you.

Reply:

Speak for yourself.

You said:

We have better methods of achieving our goals, our methods are non-confrontational. Women convince, "bribe", seduce, we steer people, we don't eat them.

Reply:

Even with your "Non-confrontational" means I have not been impressed as yet. "Eat my lunch" is a figure of speech.

You said:

Many thousand years has proven to us that when it comes to using brute force we are not very good. Women make great leaders, I can testify to that, I have been lead by other women.

Reply:

Some people are just followers. Your statement means nothing if you fit into that catagory. People sometimes like their bosses for one reason or another, albeit not to the good of the company.

Are you planning to go into business for yourself?

You said:

Sorry I forgot to answer your first question. Yes, I work for a company owned by many men. My boss was a woman till last June. Right now I am somewhat boss-less. Does that prove something?

Reply:

It proves my point that you won't go out on your own as fast as a man in a similar position. You probably will not succeed as well and as quickly as your male counterpart.

You said:

I am also black. Does that prove that all women are black?

Reply:

Rolleyes? How quaint. I knew that you worked for men. That is why you are so defensive and "quaint". My point was exactly that.

Lets make Black an issue now. Good way not to discuss what I originally posted.

You said:

BTW, if you met D.D.'s or Hillbilly's wives for example you'd be ashamed of your words, those are women that have achieved things that have made them heroes in my eyes... in completely masculine-dominated fields.

Reply:

Why would I be ashamed of posting what I did. I didnt insult or demean anyone. I also said that there were exceptions to every rule but in my experience woman are just not that competitive.

I am happy and not upset when women get ahead. I don't wish bad on anyone.

You said:

Now, back to the OP...
Dominican women represent an important segment of agricultural labour in DR. Even if just recently were women allowed to own land distributed by "Reforma Agraria".

Dominican women make 75% of the labour in free zones in the country.

Reply:

No argument here.

You said:

Dominican women dominate the Journalism schools in DR. Women in the media are in almost -if not completelly- equal numbers as men.

Reply:

I would need fact to back up what you say. Not saying that you are wrong but my guess is that you are just blowing smoke without facts judging by your choice of words.

I never doubted the messages that said more women are in advanced schooling. I just said that I thought that women lack that killer instinct to get ahead in business, hence "no balls".

You said:

Women have an increasing participation in politics. By law 30% of the candidates presented by each party must be women -another form of patronizing that I hate, but what the heck!

Reply:

Good thing you are patronized. If you weren't you would have less elected officials. Women aren't as agressive as men.

You said:

We are getting there... remember this is not a revolution, it's evolution.

Reply:

Where exactly are you getting?

For what it is worth I am not a boy. I am a 51 year old man that probably has undies older than you are.

Try and hold the race card till you have totally lost the arguement next time so you will have a fallback position.

Next time you want to be demeaning try to do better. I enjoy a challange but calling me boy and being demeaning doesn't impress me as much as intelligent conversation.

Regards
Scott

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You got'tah know that your "work'n a tough house here" as in doing 'standup' comedy for a non receptive crowd, choose your words well. Most of he readers here will take you on first blush, the ol' first impression thing, it will follow you for a very long time. Presently I'm taking "my lumps" in the "Children at Play" thread.

Reply:

I am not looking to do battle with anyone. Perhaps I was misunderstood. Perhaps I didn't get my point across properly.

My point was this. More men go out on their own quicker and faster than women do. Why is that? In business no matter how many male/female employees you have, you need to be agressive. Women simply are NOT as agressive as men are in my opinion.

You said:

Now as for my daughters, both are on professional career paths. The eldest works at something that I would best describe as the "dog eat dog" world of commercial 'art', (NY City) in that if your 'campaign' is a dud your "fired" and your chances are slim when you're out knock'n on doors looking for employment.

Reply:

Well not exactly Still it seems that your kids are on a good track and headed for success.

You said:

If you (my daughter) can make it in 'the big Apple' then, I would think it indicates a certain level of successes in the business world.

Reply:

Funny I thought that it was easy to get ahead in NYC. I was far more worried in getting ahead in small town america.

You said:

The business 'Ed' daughter "works for women"* and supervises "men", in this case some of the most 'anal' (well at least some/ a few/ many) in the world, - Medical Doctors. That's right Scott, she tells M.Ds. that what they've just done is wrong', 'way wrong'. You can imagine that some of these "God's personnel representatives on earth" are less than enthralled when they are directed to redo some of their work. I should say that daughter #2 works for a 1000 bed teaching hospital in the medical information department. In the state of California the business of medical records is regulated by many thick binders of regs. and if you want to be successful then you must have a comprehensive working knowledge of literally thousands of points of information. By way of comparing these titles and regulations makes your city, county, and state building codes look very easy to work with.

Reply:

My wife is basically in the same field. She is an Assistant Director of the largest NON for profit in the area. Not a field I would blossom in. Women are definately better than men in many fields.

Glad to see that both of your daughters are doing well. Keep up the good work.

Regards
Scott