Foreign Aid to Haiti Re #Matthew

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i thought I would start this thread so that we do not clog the hurricane thread with comments on foreign aid,

Certainly there will be aid needed in Haiti because most certainly Gonaives will flood again and will be submerged in mud.. So there is that,,

And certainly we ALL saw ho aid organizations were able to suck up almost all of the money donated after the earthquake without much to show for it on the ground afterwards..

A couple of observations

1. A great deal of the donated money was spent in bringing in food and water from the US,, There used to be a State Department directive to buy from the US with USAID money but that has been lifted in favor of buying supplies locally if available.. do not know what is in place for the Red Cross (who really shamed their brand in Haiti) etc

2. I was STUNNED by the reaction of two of the prominent Haitians on whose timelines i posted the information of #Matthew. I cut and pasted Mike Fisher's 9 AM post from yesterday and their time lines and followed up with a couple of pix from NOAH,, Each of these persons are very prominent in the Haitian diaspora,, onme has 5000 FB followers, organized a conference that had Bill Clinton as speaker.,. the other is the top dog for a very well known local "grass roots solidarity" women's group.. with 2000 FB followers.. Both posted their THANKS So Much Eliazabeth to me.. and gave lots of likes to my posts,, a few lines of prayers and best wishes to the folks in the path of the storm.. By the end of the day.. One was posting bird pictures, then by this morining was back deeply involved in and lengthy kreyole discussion about the future of the country.. ok.. to be fair.. they are trying to form a government and have an election but.. most of the diaspora does not return to vote,. although they do have that right. The other woman.. was deep into a lengthy note about how the governments of Canada and the US were polluting her culture with promoting homosexual values with supporting a gay pride parade,, she posted a rauchy video

3. Just to observe that the main cause for the poverty of Haiti is the wealthy class of Haiti.. referred to by the international developers as the "morally repugnant elite" or MRE. They live abroad. They own the land. They extract the rent from their tenants an entire year in advance. Much of the land is held in their hands, vacant, unused, untended.. left exactly as their grandfather left it. No peasant would dare take it over.

4. There is a wonderful book by the AP writer who exposed the UN source of the Cholera epidemic l..Jonathan Katz https://www.amazon.com/Big-Truck-That-Went-Disaster/dp/1137278978 available on Kindle.. buy it now and download to your Kindle before we loose the electricity.. It is a great read. He was the only international press in place for the earthquake...
 

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pleased to report that one of the two Haitians mentioned above has posted a weather bulletin in French on her FB page..(elite yes.,. only 15% of the Haitian pop speaks French.. but that is a measure of the Haitian pop in Haiti. .. almost all of the diaspora most likely speak French and English ..since all school above primary is in French -often after pre school)
Elite homes only allow French at home I have been told..
 

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1951 At the initiative of Belgium and the United States an International Migration Conference is convened in Brussels, resulting in the creation of the Provisional Intergovernmental Committee for the Movements of Migrants from Europe (PICMME). PICMME soon becomes the Intergovernmental Committee for European Migration (ICEM).
1950s ICEM arranges the processing and emigration of over 406,000 refugees, displaced persons and economic migrants from Europe to overseas countries.
1956/57 ICEM assumes responsibility for the resettlement of some 180,000 Hungarian refugees who had fled to Austria and Yugoslavia.
etc etc etc..

my impression when visiting their huge new offices in Gazcue was that they report directly to g-d and no one less
I mean that as an enormous complement.
I turned over the list of 300 Haitians in Las Terrenas who had signed up that they wished to go home.
The IOM went up to LT with one of them in a large 6 person van
They met with the group.
But decided that at the moment the group was not organized enough to work with the IOM
I met one ot the workers, who had been at the meeting with me at the supermarket and asked her .. well.. .. what next?

She told me "do not worry.. once the IOM starts to work with a group, they will follow the group"

So I was no longer worried

In this report, the Haitians in the camps turned down the resettlement offer made by the IOM as it would only cover their rent for a year and leave them in a more precarious position,

This is a very difficult situation.. with no easy solution.. Note that the report puts the entire onus on the Haiti government for its lack of preparation for the reception of these persons. So that any Dominican ought not to be fearful of reading it.
 

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From all outward appearances, the problem with Haiti is one with no feasible solution.
 

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From all outward appearances, the problem with Haiti is one with no feasible solution.

indeed. In the upcoming election.. which will have to be postponed again.. one of the capndidates is being accused of accepting $8 from a corrupt politican..I will not bother to name him.. as

If I were King I would decree that all property which is held by foreigners will be forfeit to the State within the next 2 years if those persons do not return, survey, and submit ownership rights to the State. Most ownership papers were lost in the quake.

Then those who are living in those properties... which do not have proper papers filed.. become.. after a certain period.. the property of the tenants

All agricultural land becomes the property of the sharecroppers

Any vacant land that anyone is willing to tend and plant becomes their property

This is what I would do if I were King
 

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Am posting to some Quaker sites on the history of the slave trade - per their attention to Haiti #Matthew #Cat4 and their (our). historic complicity in it (the Quaker presence in colonial America was large and influential. Quakers founded Philadelphia as William Penn was a Quaker and had all the land of that state as a land grant from the Crown to his father. Quakers were also extremely influential in Rhode Island as they were banned from the Puritan colony of Massachussetts)

thought the links might be of interest Re Savannah.. Charleston and Newport RI which were major trading slave ports and fuel the rum to slaves to molasses trade.. all the wealth of the 13 original colonies was built on the slave trade.

http://www.africanamerica.org/topic...ng-the-human-species?reply=128788938051753775

http://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/articles/history-archaeology/atlantic-slave-trade-savannah

http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20110410/PC1602/304109945
 

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some may quibble with my use of "all" of the wealth.. and cite.. for example.. the whaling industry

which is amply enshrined at Mystic Ct seaport

There is a completely bleached history of the Atlantic slave trade taught in the United States. This is akin to how Trujillo here erased any mention of African heritage in the Domincans, saying that they were descended from indians and Europeans.. which many Dominicans of very dark skin believe today.. as that is what they were taught here for 35 years.
 

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indeed. In the upcoming election.. which will have to be postponed again.. one of the capndidates is being accused of accepting $8 from a corrupt politican..I will not bother to name him.. as

If I were King I would decree that all property which is held by foreigners will be forfeit to the State within the next 2 years if those persons do not return, survey, and submit ownership rights to the State. Most ownership papers were lost in the quake.

Then those who are living in those properties... which do not have proper papers filed.. become.. after a certain period.. the property of the tenants

All agricultural land becomes the property of the sharecroppers

Any vacant land that anyone is willing to tend and plant becomes their property

This is what I would do if I were King

Thankfully you are not. Hard to ask for Foreign Aid for an event before the event takes place. Do you think that one should forfeit their property rights because they move to another country?
 

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Feels like I am just repeating myself by saying this... Haiti?s problems need to be
solved by Haitian people on Haitian soil. It is not the rest of the world?s responsibility,
be it morally or financially. At some point they are going to have to get their sh*t together,
stop the finger pointing, learn how to cook with gas and how to take control of their own
affairs. That.... or they can just continue to live in a sh*thole.
 
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Feels like I am just repeating myself by saying this... Haiti?s problems need to be
solved by Haitian people on Haitian soil. It is not the rest of the world?s responsibility,
be it morally or financially. At some point they are going to have to get their sh*t together,
stop the finger pointing, learn how to cook with gas and how to take control of their own
affairs. That.... or they can just continue to live in a sh*thole.

After 200 years of "bad management" you think they can change on their own?
They know how to cook with gas however gas costs money and so does a stove, a little tough if you don't have $$$. :ermm:
 

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After 200 years of "bad management" you think they can change on their own?
They know how to cook with gas however gas costs money and so does a stove, a little tough if you don't have $$$. :ermm:

From what my Haitian friends, neighbors and acquaintances tell me, almost all Haitians (living in Haiti)
are scared to cook with gas. If they can afford to build soccer stadiums, they can afford stoves....
With that being said, brains and balls may do wonders for a place like Haiti but until then,
I guess they will just have to continue living in a sh*thole.
 

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Bob Saunders - !.

1. I did not ask for any sort of aid to Haiti before the event and was very clear in my initial post that I only opened this thread so as not to clog the hurricane thread with discussions of foreign aid to Haiti which were already starting on that thread

2. Yes, I believe that it is well within the power of the State to take property from private owners who neglect it, extract unreasonable rentals for inadequate shelter, or let valuable land which might be used for agricultural purposes to lie fallow.
 

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Bob Saunders - !.


2. Yes, I believe that it is well within the power of the State to take property from private owners who neglect it, extract unreasonable rentals for inadequate shelter, or let valuable land which might be used for agricultural purposes to lie fallow.


Wow. *Just wow.*
 

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Bob Saunders - !.

1. I did not ask for any sort of aid to Haiti before the event and was very clear in my initial post that I only opened this thread so as not to clog the hurricane thread with discussions of foreign aid to Haiti which were already starting on that thread

2. Yes, I believe that it is well within the power of the State to take property from private owners who neglect it, extract unreasonable rentals for inadequate shelter, or let valuable land which might be used for agricultural purposes to lie fallow.

Private property as long as it isn't polluting someones elses property or growing something illegal is the owners to do with whatever they want within the laws of the country. Not touching your land doesn't give the state the right to take it away or give it to someone else. Guess that's why you are a socialist and I not.
 

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Private property as long as it isn't polluting someones elses property or growing something illegal is the owners to do with whatever they want within the laws of the country. Not touching your land doesn't give the state the right to take it away or give it to someone else. Guess that's why you are a socialist and I not.

There were land grants given to people several hundreds of years ago by the King of Spain in several countries that I am aware of and the 'owners' of that land are not even within that country. The king of Spain never left Spain and his right to give it away was dubious at best. Some of these huge fincas have several families fighting over them, not to live on them, just to own them. Yes it would probably be best if the present day governments in places like Venezuela, Mexico and Nicaragua were to right these wrongs from a few centuries past.
Der Fish
 

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Give Manhattan back to the Native Americans, that is what I say.*

Now as for Haiti, no amount of aid is ever going to make a difference there.*