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    Quote Originally Posted by Africaida View Post
    If you do find it on this site, link it, I may have overlooked them.

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    Humans are animals or did you fail your biology classes. Are you disputing the facts or...............

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    Quote Originally Posted by bob saunders View Post
    Humans are animals or did you fail your biology classes. Are you disputing the facts or...............
    Okay Bob, no need to brag about your biology skills

    In any case, I don't see any mention on the article of the Haitian birth rate versus Dominican which would explain the take over the province. Although I have no doubt that it is higher (confirmed by your pertinent observation of Haitian women bellies), I think this article is voluntarily alarmist for valid reasons, but contains no proof on your cute rabbit theory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Africaida View Post
    Okay Bob, no need to brag about your biology skills

    In any case, I don't see any mention on the article of the Haitian birth rate versus Dominican which would explain the take over the province. Although I have no doubt that it is higher (confirmed by your pertinent observation of Haitian women bellies), I think this article is voluntarily alarmist for valid reasons, but contains no proof on your cute rabbit theory.
    Actually no. A current part of Haiti used to be part of the DR. The Haitians peacefully invaded until they vastly outnumbered the Dominican and they managed to grab a good sized chunk of real estate. The fear is real.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GringoRubio View Post
    Man, you couldn't be more wrong. Under Trujillo, the DR trailed Haiti in Per Capita Income by a large margin. I think it was 4-1 ratio. It was under papa doc and baby doc Duvalier that the Haitian government and people faltered which also was during the 50's.

    Haiti also lent assistance to other nations like the French Congo during the 60's. (That one didn't work out to well because it most likely resulted in the HIV infection that set off the pandemic in the Americas Europe, and Austria of the dominant subtype B strain.)

    Before that time, Haiti routinely invaded and kicked the Dominicans around and looked down on their poor backward neighbors.
    Where are your sources for this claim? From what I've read DR and Haiti where about even until the 1950s when our economy started to surpass theirs. I don't think there was ever a point in history where the average Haitian could look down on us for being backwards compared to them, and definitely not during the Trujillo era. The Parsley Massacre happened in 1930s in the early years of Trujillo's regime, and the Haitian goverment was practically crying to the US government for compensation from DR. If they where so powerful during this time they would have done something about these killings instead of whining to the international community like a bunch of cowards. I'm not just talking about military interventions either, they could have placed some sanctions if they really had the economic advantage, but they didn't. Again, the DR was never "backwards" compared to Haiti. Less populated, yes, but definitely not less developed; not even when their side was the "pearl of the antilles" under the French, since Haiti was entirely an exploitation colony with little infrastructure and architectural development, just compare Haiti's colonial sites to the ones in DR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bob saunders View Post
    Actually no. A current part of Haiti used to be part of the DR. The Haitians peacefully invaded until they vastly outnumbered the Dominican and they managed to grab a good sized chunk of real estate. The fear is real.
    Yeah, it's called the Central Plateau (Guaba valley for us), which amounts to 6,000kms2 of what used to be most fertile ground in the island for the rising of cattle, now a wasteland. And the Haitians grudgingly settled for taking just that because the Yanks forced both sides to sit down and agree to a final border before the Marines evacuated the island for good in 34'. If it would have been up to them Haitians, the line would have taken nothing less than half the island, with Duarte's peak and the lakes included on their side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sanpedrogringo View Post
    Thomas Jefferson was right.
    As JFK famously said at a dinner in 1962 honoring Nobel Prize winners that it was "....the most extraordinary collection of talent, of human knowledge, that has ever been gathered together at the White House, with the possible exception of when Thomas Jefferson dined alone."

    Jefferson was certainly no saint.

    So your point re: Jefferson is exactly.....what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meemselle View Post
    As JFK famously said at a dinner in 1962 honoring Nobel Prize winners that it was "....the most extraordinary collection of talent, of human knowledge, that has ever been gathered together at the White House, with the possible exception of when Thomas Jefferson dined alone."

    Jefferson was certainly no saint.

    So your point re: Jefferson is exactly.....what?
    I would like to respond further, but I don't want to get flagged for encroaching upon US politics, albeit from a biographical or historical perspective. Rules are rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Africaida View Post
    Okay Bob, no need to brag about your biology skills

    In any case, I don't see any mention on the article of the Haitian birth rate versus Dominican which would explain the take over the province. Although I have no doubt that it is higher (confirmed by your pertinent observation of Haitian women bellies), I think this article is voluntarily alarmist for valid reasons, but contains no proof on your cute rabbit theory.
    http://www.indexmundi.com/facts/indi...#country=do:ht

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    Quote Originally Posted by sanpedrogringo View Post
    I would like to respond further, but I don't want to get flagged for encroaching upon US politics, albeit from a biographical or historical perspective. Rules are rules.
    Let me do it for you and put it in the bluntest way: He was right, from his point of view as a planter, to keep Haitian Jacobinism contained on the island, unless the movement got to spread to the continent and started a massive slave revolt from Buenos Aires to the Ohio river. Even though under John Adams, Toussaint gave assurances that he would stop the revolution from spreading further, those assurances were void as far as Dessalines was concerned, specially after the latter ordered the genocide of the remaining the French colonists that managed to survive the years of revolt and civil war. That latter act must have loomed large in Jefferson's and his fellow Virginians' mind when they decided to officially blockade the island, even though he himself was a fan of Jacobinism in France. It's very easy to cheer when the axe is falling on other people's necks, but not when this one threatens to fall on your very own.

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    everytime some pressure builds up around the cases as Odebrecht, Tucanos, Punta Catalina, CEA, INDRI, Bahia de las Aguila etc. the haitian invasion cuco shows up... and by the way, thanks god we know PLD senator Dionis Sánchez is of course not a beneficiary of the corruption scandal of the sale of the national park lands (as he said here see http://noticiassin.com/2013/02/senad...-las-aguilas/_)

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