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    My admiration and great respect for those who marched today.

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    It was impressive.

    I'm sure that Reuters' Dominican contributor Jorge Pineda knows it is not an environmental movement - that must have been an assumption made by the subbers.

    SANTO DOMINGO (Reuters) - Tens of thousands of protesters flooded the streets of the capital of the Dominican Republic on Sunday in the biggest demonstration of anger over corruption in decades following a landmark bribery case against top officials.

    Demonstrators, mostly young and dressed in the green color of the country's environmental movement, overflowed across a six-lane thoroughfare in Santo Domingo, waving the red, blue and white Dominican flag as they chanted demands for the president and other top officials to resign.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chirimoya View Post
    It was impressive.

    I'm sure that Reuters' Dominican contributor Jorge Pineda knows it is not an environmental movement - that must have been an assumption made by the subbers.
    Corruption is a shadow over the environmental movement.

    I was once invited to a meeting of a group of "connected" Dominicans soliciting investors for a golf course project (which will go unnamed.) The purpose of the meeting was an update to give potential investors assurances that all was well. There were some familiar "public" faces at this meeting.

    At a prior meeting, the issue was that the environment ministry had put a stop order on the project over some large areas of wetlands crucial to the course. If these wetlands couldn't be filled in the project was dead.

    So the latest meeting was an "I Have Good News and Bad News" announcement. The Good News was that permits had been issued by the environment ministry, and construction could proceed. The bad news was the cost of the project rose US$400,000 due to "taking care" of certain people that signed off on the project.

    We hear about this constantly.

    So "green" and "corruption" often share the same bed.

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    Yes. As someone who has been involved in environmental campaigning for several decades I can provide many comparable examples. There are indeed strong environmental elements to the Movimiento Verde so choice of green as a colour may not have been random. For example, Punta Catalina is being opposed because of the corruption involved and because it is a coal-fired plant, but it is still a mistake to call the Movimiento Verde an environmental movement. It describes itself as an anti-corruption movement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chirimoya View Post
    Yes. As someone who has been involved in environmental campaigning for several decades I can provide many comparable examples. There are indeed strong environmental elements to the Movimiento Verde so choice of green as a colour may not have been random. For example, Punta Catalina is being opposed because of the corruption involved and because it is a coal-fired plant, but it is still a mistake to call the Movimiento Verde an environmental movement. It describes itself as an anti-corruption movement.
    I see the current Oderbrecht dealio as the straw that broke the camel's back causing huge numbers to don green.

    Almost everyone I know who is a part of the green movement is an environmentalist. I don't know any in green who are not. But that's just our circle of acquaintances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cobraboy View Post
    I see the current Oderbrecht dealio as the straw that broke the camel's back causing huge numbers to don green.

    Almost everyone I know who is a part of the green movement is an environmentalist. I don't know any in green who are not. But that's just our circle of acquaintances.
    I would say so too. Come to think of it, I don't know anyone who would not call themselves an environmentalist!
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    PLD are calling for purple march now:
    http://www.elcaribe.com.do/2017/07/1...corruptosrdquo

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    Moreno ,who can never obtain more than 3 % of the presidential vote is definitely the green man and he displays ,in my opinion, total disregard for the truth and dwells in generalisations and half baked accusations as well as total lies..anything to stir the lower classes on to more ridiculous slogans and screaming . It is something out of a Graham Greene novel 50 years ago .
    Just to give an example Moreno insists there is corruption when civil construction contracts come in way over the original quote...not for a moment thinking that there may have been great variations such as two lane road being made a four lane road or a route changed because of geographical problems .
    There is not a lither of evidence that the president Danilo is corrupt ,in fact there is much evidence that he is hardworking ,humble and rather spendthrift.. he has not undertaken lavish tours overseas and travels around the DR with minimal security or expense.Yet the mob want him accuse him of being corrupt ..but do not state case.
    The green mob marches have some very nasty undertones that will surely being frightening all investors or potential investors in the DR ,,they are in my opinion an uneducated rabble who could not debate for a moment anything ...What is just as bad ,they have no plans

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kipling333 View Post
    Moreno ,who can never obtain more than 3 % of the presidential vote is definitely the green man and he displays ,in my opinion, total disregard for the truth and dwells in generalisations and half baked accusations as well as total lies..anything to stir the lower classes on to more ridiculous slogans and screaming . It is something out of a Graham Greene novel 50 years ago .
    Just to give an example Moreno insists there is corruption when civil construction contracts come in way over the original quote...not for a moment thinking that there may have been great variations such as two lane road being made a four lane road or a route changed because of geographical problems .
    There is not a lither of evidence that the president Danilo is corrupt ,in fact there is much evidence that he is hardworking ,humble and rather spendthrift.. he has not undertaken lavish tours overseas and travels around the DR with minimal security or expense.Yet the mob want him accuse him of being corrupt ..but do not state case.
    The green mob marches have some very nasty undertones that will surely being frightening all investors or potential investors in the DR ,,they are in my opinion an uneducated rabble who could not debate for a moment anything ...What is just as bad ,they have no plans
    I find it hard to believe that there is an honest politician in d.r.....and I would hazard to say any friend of sr. felix bautista is far from honest ...you lie down with fleas you wake up with fleas......what happened to the big clean up ?......by the way I have a biased opinion about politicians ...I think they all are a bunch of lying thieving scum regardless of country

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