CMC Cabarete medical center: blood sampling safety issue:

novogod

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Hi, I am new here!
From Moscow, Russia.
Living in Sosua. Cince 2012.

Just registered to inform you guys to pay attemtion when services in CMC Cabarete medical center.

Got my blood analysis by the enfermera 

1. She put the gloves.
2. Open the door wearing those gloves.
3. She opened the syringe
4. She opened the needle of the syringe, touched it with the gloves, put it on the papers on the lab table opened.
5. She put the bandage almost to the vein and start touching the veins with the same gloves the used to open the door a moment ago.
6. She open alcohol wipes, put it to the vein to clean it and then put it to the table.
7. After taking the blood she used the same wipe from the table to clean the blood from the vein.

I did not tell the bosses in CMC as I think this is the busines as usual and nothing changes as the main goal is not health but the profit.

Just an opinion and facts.
 

ctrob

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Actually not horribly bad procedure, considering..... But if your arm turns black I would fly to Miami and get it looked at.

I once got 5 stitches there for 20 US. So there's that....It was right after they opened, so maybe a "Get Acquainted Price"?
 

william webster

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I am a regular patient there...
No complaints...

As a matter of fact, according to doctors, there is no such thing as a clean hospital.
Some say it’s just a matter of time before staph infections take over
 

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I have lived here for 13 years and been a patient at CMC since shortly after they opened.

I have had blood drawn there many times, witnessed the procedure and had no issues with either the procedure, or afterwards.

Also I had major surgery there a few years ago with as good or better results than those with a similar procedure in North America.

Before CMC there was no high quality care on the North Coast except that was available in Puerto Plata.

I have these opinions based on a previous 20+ year career in health care in the U.S.

Every business, even health care providers must be profitable in order to provide service, and I appreciate the service available so close to where I live.
 

william webster

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Glad to hear from others...

I am in the middle of CMC care....
EGD (endoscopy) for hiatal hernia and Gastritis as a result of a saliva shortage from immunotherapy

I am comfortable with my treatments, diagnosis and care

These are routine procedures for the most part.
I have no comment on emergency care.... never having had a need

As a transition point for transfer to STI or SDQ...
we have little choices.

One trip to Bournigal was enough for me....no mas
crowded, no service... and worse
 

novogod

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Thank you guys. 

But it cost nothing to teach the nurce do not hold the door handle with the same gloves she touch the vein?

And do not touch the sterile needle as well?

Or this is terribly hard task for the HR and the owners?

What do you think?

Without generalisation and the estimation of quality of treatment. Just facts, not subjective personal opinions.
 

sabra

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Novogod 08:53 PM

"But it cost nothing to teach the nurce do not hold the door handle with the same gloves she touch the vein?

And do not touch the sterile needle as well?"

I agree with that view.
 

sabra

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Glad to hear from others...

I am in the middle of CMC care....
EGD (endoscopy) for hiatal hernia and Gastritis as a result of a saliva shortage from immunotherapy

I am comfortable with my treatments, diagnosis and care

These are routine procedures for the most part.
I have no comment on emergency care.... never having had a need

As a transition point for transfer to STI or SDQ...
we have little choices.

One trip to Bournigal was enough for me....no mas
crowded, no service... and worse

The decision for a clinic often
depends on whether a good specialist there
works.
For example, I'm going to Puerto Plata
to Bournigal "because I trust to my really good cardiologist there.

I never have been in CMC Clinic because of myself, except once visiting a girl friend.
She was stationary there. Operation pelvic fracture, that was excellent done.
 

CristoRey

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I did not tell the bosses in CMC as I think this is the busines as usual and nothing changes as the main goal is not health but the profit. Just an opinion and facts.


I've been to CMC twice since first moving down here in 2012. Both times I
received excellent care for a very low price. First time, stitches from Jamaica
removed. The cost? Free so I gave the nurse a 500 peso tip.

Second time was for dengue, with blood work and diagnosis, I believe was
3,000 pesos for everything. Hardly someone trying to make a profit.

Sounds more like a carefree (less) Dominican to me than someone
tying make a profit. No doubt if you would have complained she would
have changed gloves. Living here since 2012 one might think you'd
be more cautious and willing to speak up for yourself but hey...
what the hell do I know? :cheeky:
 

william webster

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THe worst I have seen was for my residency medical.

Nurse had the glove on from the last patient - kept it on for the one after me.
Just one glove with a hole in it.

You know the place - where you can't close the door for urine sample
The sample she collects with that gloved hand

At that display - I winced
 

ctrob

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a result of a saliva shortage from immunotherapy
Anybody ever mention using Pilocarpine? Its used to activate the saliva production in the mouth after chemo. It's origin is a plant in S American where it was used in "sweating" ceremonies.

I used it once for a sweat gland problem. Woke up every morning with a soaking wet pillow.
 

william webster

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never heard of it

will look it up

thanks

The problem has gone away but the results were tooth enamel weakening (cavities) and stomach issues
Plus 15 lb weight loss !!
from swallowing difficulties
 

novogod

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Why?

THe worst I have seen was for my residency medical.

Nurse had the glove on from the last patient - kept it on for the one after me.
Just one glove with a hole in it.

You know the place - where you can't close the door for urine sample
The sample she collects with that gloved hand

At that display - I winced

But can you explain me why?

I cannot understand the logic: why to put at risk the whole business for the price of a pair of gloves?

Any minor issue with the vein or with the blood diseases transferred with the risky blood sampling and any good lawyer may put the whole business charged the price of the cost of billion of the new gloves?

Or this is an economy on the staff education?
 

william webster

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Why?
Because they told her to wear a glove - I expect.

No education... and no deaths or illness reported either, that I know of.

Don't lose any sleep over it.
And never go to the kitchen in a restaurant
 

novogod

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Why?
Because they told her to wear a glove - I expect.

No education... and no deaths or illness reported either, that I know of.

Don't lose any sleep over it.
And never go to the kitchen in a restaurant

Thank you for the advise, but I think much cheaper for the owner to put the whole algorithm to the door for the especially stubborn nurces.

I do not think playing cards with AIDS or other blood transferred deseases is a good practice for any medical office.

As for “no deathreported”: AIDS has about 6 months or more hidden period.

And I am sure you did not follow the live of every patient passed through the extremly risky blood sampling practice.

Or you do?
 

william webster

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And remember, the DR isn’t the best country for sanitation
The people are clean for the most part but the practices.... not so much in many areas
 

novogod

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And remember, the DR isn’t the best country for sanitation
The people are clean for the most part but the practices.... not so much in many areas

Thank you William.
You are really generous for the advices today.

But I am not generalizing here. The topic of this thread is concrete:
The dangerous blood sampling practice of a definite medical office and the high possibility to loose business and to cause the deadly damage to a patient neglecting the simple and small rules of sterility invented in 19th century whith cost less than a couple of cents per pacient.

It does not depend country, DGM, restaurant kitchen and other staff you add to this problem.

This is as easy as:

1/ Put the pack of the new gloves to the lab.
2/ Put the action algorythm to the lab door,
3/ Install the camera to the lab wall.
4/ Be happy, do not damage your patients and do not loose your business.

Period.

No need to discuss the country, the DBNSKP, the dirty kitchens and the fluying dishes.

Just that cheap and simple list of actions.
 

AlterEgo

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Note to self. Bring extra pair of gloves when going for blood work ........

The first time I went for dental work in DR, I watched her like a hawk, sure I’d find something awry with sterilization, etc. I was very pleasantly surprised.
 

novogod

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Note to self. Bring extra pair of gloves when going for blood work ........

The first time I went for dental work in DR, I watched her like a hawk, sure I’d find something awry with sterilization, etc. I was very pleasantly surprised.

Hi AlterEgo,

Sure this may be so.

But again I am telling not about the medicine in general.

Just the concrete case of the dangerous way to do blood sampling,
it’s highly potential risks for the whole business and health.

And the unexpensive way to avoid it for the owners.

Respectfully.