Haiti's Prime Minister Resigns

cobraboy

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The IMF owns this one.

The PM was doing their bidding.

The IMF has no vested interest in fixing problems, just control.
 

windeguy

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Leaving before being burnt to a crisp was probably a wise move on his part.

No real need to replace him.
 

Cdn_Gringo

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Until Haiti fixes their sh$t and remains dependent on outside capital to fund day to day operations, we'll see more and more such conditions that the people won't particularly like.
 

Russell

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Its always the neighbors dog that is noisy.
Who else could he blame..... RD !!.... cost him his job.... good.

Without suggesting otherwise than good solid Democratic / Responsible Government ... the last time Haiti was prosperous (More than present) was when Papa Doc was the President or whatever they called him.
However the world has intervened and Haiti today is the result..... WTF anyway.

There is something more sinister underlying ; be it Big Business, anarchy,extreme socialism, whatever the ''fit is going to hit the shan'' so to speak.... going to be interesting who emerges from the ashes.

Just had to say it!!
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Ugh

the last time Haiti was prosperous (More than present) was when Papa Doc was the President or whatever they called him.
However the world has intervened and Haiti today is the result..... WTF anyway.
Just had to say it!!
Russell

You have never studied Haitian history. :tired: Papa Doc completely destroyed Haiti. Whatever prosperity Haiti had left in the 1950s, Papa Doc destroyed.

Trying to blame outsiders on Haiti's misrule is wrong. The French left 214 years ago. If it makes a fringe group of people feel good to blame the French, the Dominicans, and Monsanto for all of Haiti's ills, so be it. But this will do nothing to remedy Haiti's situation. Perhaps it's already too late.

Just had to say it.
 

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Haiti is a disaster and the saddest most disgusting place I have ever visited in my life. Animals in the U.S. live better then the people of Port au Prince where I went. When arriving back in the DR after spending 3 days there I literally kissed the ground after getting off the plane.
 

Russell

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You have never studied Haitian history. :tired: Papa Doc completely destroyed Haiti. Whatever prosperity Haiti had left in the 1950s, Papa Doc destroyed.

Trying to blame outsiders on Haiti's misrule is wrong. The French left 214 years ago. If it makes a fringe group of people feel good to blame the French, the Dominicans, and Monsanto for all of Haiti's ills, so be it. But this will do nothing to remedy Haiti's situation. Perhaps it's already too late.

Just had to say it.

MY apologies I stand corrected.
 

cobraboy

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You have never studied Haitian history. :tired: Papa Doc completely destroyed Haiti. Whatever prosperity Haiti had left in the 1950s, Papa Doc destroyed.

Trying to blame outsiders on Haiti's misrule is wrong. The French left 214 years ago. If it makes a fringe group of people feel good to blame the French, the Dominicans, and Monsanto for all of Haiti's ills, so be it. But this will do nothing to remedy Haiti's situation. Perhaps it's already too late.

Just had to say it.
Serious question: how can Haiti be fixed and elevated to developping nation status? Or even elevated to Third World status?

What is the fundamental, underlying flaw of Haiti?
 

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Serious question: how can Haiti be fixed and elevated to developping nation status? Or even elevated to Third World status?

What is the fundamental, underlying flaw of Haiti?

First thing to make it happend is that they really want it, but unfortunately they dont want.

This article is from few weeks ago that says France wants to build Hospitals in Haiti with the help of European Union and the ambassador of France in Dominican Republic said Haitian goverment didnt shows yet any sign of intentions to make true this project.

https://www.diariolibre.com/opinion...haiti-pero-no-hay-interes-de-ellos-CD10310064

So very hard to find a solution to all the problems they have, maybe the solution would be all goverment arround the world get together and babesis Haiti for the next 50 years, because they dont appears to be able to be an independient nation.
 
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Why?

First thing to make it happend is that they really want it, but unfortunately they dont want.

I agree.

The 'Haitian mentality' is the problem.

When I speak of Haiti, I speak as a friend. But a true friend speaks honestly. And many Haitians agree with the criticism.

What can be done? Sigh. Riva is right. Until the general attitude changes, nothing can be done.

I think the UN occupation was Haiti's last chance.

With the population continuing to explode, I think the tipping point was reached decades ago. When people say how Haiti could still feed itself in 1984, they don't seem to realize that the population has almost doubled since.

6,240,329 people in 1984

11,112,945 people in 2018

Overpopulation in Northern Asian countries can be managed effectively. Overpopulation in Haiti cannot.

Why is the DR a relatively modern country, and Haiti is not? Why does the DR have a modern French subway system, and Haiti does not? Why does the Dominican Republic continue to move forward, and Haiti continue somersaulting backwards?

I wrote a rather lengthy analysis of Haitian and Dominican development and the historical differences, but I decided to save it shelve it for now. I don't want to derail this thread. I will post it later if the opportunity arises.


Long story short: The Haitian mentality.
 

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I agree.

The 'Haitian mentality' is the problem.

When I speak of Haiti, I speak as a friend. But a true friend speaks honestly. And many Haitians agree with the criticism.

What can be done? Sigh. Riva is right. Until the general attitude changes, nothing can be done.

I think the UN occupation was Haiti's last chance.

With the population continuing to explode, I think the tipping point was reached decades ago. When people say how Haiti could still feed itself in 1984, they don't seem to realize that the population has almost doubled since.

6,240,329 people in 1984

11,112,945 people in 2018

Overpopulation in Northern Asian countries can be managed effectively. Overpopulation in Haiti cannot.

Why is the DR a relatively modern country, and Haiti is not? Why does the DR have a modern French subway system, and Haiti does not? Why does the Dominican Republic continue to move forward, and Haiti continue somersaulting backwards?

I wrote a rather lengthy analysis of Haitian and Dominican development and the historical differences, but I decided to save it shelve it for now. I don't want to derail this thread. I will post it later if the opportunity arises.


Long story short: The Haitian mentality.


1) Free mason (Some DR founders)
2) Religion (DR Catholic)
3) Government (Democracy and Capitalism)
4) Opened the door to the European since day one
 

NALs

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For the record, the DR doesn’t have a ‘French’ metro. If anything it’s Spanish. The stations for the most part look like the ones in Madrid’s metro and the trains as the same exact ones in Barcelona’s metro. Plus authorities from the Metro de Madrid offered plenty of technical help and supervised the construction of Santo Domingo’s Metro.

The trains were buit in France (I think), but...
 

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For the record, the DR doesn’t have a ‘French’ metro. If anything it’s Spanish. The stations for the most part look like the ones in Madrid’s metro and the trains as the same exact ones in Barcelona’s metro. Plus authorities from the Metro de Madrid offered plenty of technical help and supervised the construction of Santo Domingo’s Metro.

The trains were buit in France (I think), but...

ALSTOM. just like the new metros in Panama City and Vancouver, BC (the new line between downtown and YVR airport - fully automated - no human operator)

FYI - Mexico City Metro includes French advice and trains, especially the unique rubber-tire
 
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For the record, the DR doesn’t have a ‘French’ metro. If anything it’s Spanish. The stations for the most part look like the ones in Madrid’s metro and the trains as the same exact ones in Barcelona’s metro. Plus authorities from the Metro de Madrid offered plenty of technical help and supervised the construction of Santo Domingo’s Metro.

The trains were buit in France (I think), but...

The trains are French. I don't remember which countries and companies were involved in the tunnel and rail construction. The point is i that it is a modern subway system.