Can a "Bad" Girl go "Good"!

Nice guys don't look for hookers as soul-mates. If you are such a nice guy, what the hell were you doing in the sex places? Looking for the right nun? You are like everyone else so drop the nice guy BS.
Here is where I am going to help you:
Once a hooker, always a hooker. No one is pointing a gun to her head to perform. Its easy money and she is going for it. I know many nice looking girls from extreme poor families who wouldn't dare think about selling their bodies to the tourists, instead they work like slaves in zona francaS FOR 150 DOLLARS / month. These girls maybe poor but they have respect for their bodies and for their families.
If you have heard a poignant story from the girl, how hard it is to make money and to support her fatherless child....how she is forced to sell her body...etc etc. Its all BullS***. She is a hooker and she will never become the nice / decent girl you like her to be. Just have fun with her and leave your feelings aside for someone who is not in boca chica.
If you want good girls, get away from tourist places and explore the real DR.
Good luck.

I just spent 2 days in Boca Chica and I have never seen such a collection of Ugly, Fat and Sorry Hookers in my entire life. They all should have just apologized to me for being so damn Fugly as I was walking down the street. Man go to the North Coast if you want to chase hookers as life goal, at least you will find one that you can fantasize is a "nice gal".

Man this board is going down hill. The BS never ends.

AZB is right "Once a hooker always a hooker" I've seen many a "Gringo" marry a ex hooker (sic) and beleive me, they're no sooner on the plane, that their "wives" are back at the trade. Find yourself a nice girl go through the courting ritual and maybe you will find someone who respects you and will make you a good wife. Otherwise (Un hombre sin cuernos es como un jardin sin flores"

looking for a good latina with possible marriage in the future go to wwwLatinmagicintroductions and tell me what you think of these women. Most are not from the DR, but certainly many are good looking and almost all are professionals( teachers,lawyer,secretaries...etc.

I work in a hospital in Santo Domingo.

Come visit me next trip and I'll walk you around here for a while.I'm sure we can find you a nice girl to date!Luckily for them I prefer whores! CRIS

I think Snoop Dogg said it best in 1994 (add driving beats by Dr. Dre):

"So what if you found a ho you like, you can't make a ho a housewife."

Men have only two fantasies, only two

They want to take a bad girl and make her good, or
They want to take a good girl and make her bad.

That would be so profound if I hadn't heard it in a porn movie
st louis mike
pullin' yer leg

HO!HO!HO! and I aint Santa Claus.Once a HO always a HO marry her and put her to work in some cheap strip joint.
J.H.:bandit:

Most of them are looking for a way out, not a career of having a different man every night. None are forced to do what they do. It is just that some see it as the best option. There are indeed some gems, but they are few. Intentions vary.

No, you cannot just feed them money or marry them, even if they love you. You will need to actually deliver them a "future". Marrying them or giving them money is not a future. A future means being with them full time to make a life together. For many of them, this is their dream. Most are just out to make a quick buck and their "term" of service is less than 2 years. Some won't come back after their first "arrest", as they find the life a bit too harsh. But like most young woman in the DR with looks but few options, they will do what they can with what they have. Good for them. I find nothing not "nice" about them just because they sleep around with an eye on the wallet. That's half the country in one sense or another. Nice? Decent? You bet. I know plenty that I'd call all of that. Plenty I would not as well. In fact, nice and decent would indeed be the exception. Working in what some term an immoral activity doesn't have much bearing on whether or not they are nice or decent. The only thing that changes is the venue. Boca Chica, or elsewhere. It's the same thing, only methods change. A good chunk of the country is all about money and not much else.

This is what desperation breeds so you need to look past this. It doesn't define the heart. Were they in another situation, the girls (and guys) would certainly not select sex work as the best option. Or maybe they would. I guess it depends on how much they like sex and how much they like the type that typically throws offers their way. I for one, would, but that's just me! I'm amazed at how some of the full-time long-time gringo residents still don't get it and somehow think a person is defined by their sexual promiscuity or the level to which they go for the almighty dollar, or whether or not their eye on the wallet is done in the sense of short term or long term gain (hit and run vs. enslave!). Does anybody every know someone else's true intentions? There can be more than one.

You'd be surprised what a little bit of cash, polish, and positive influence can do to bring out the diamond in the rough. After all, most of these people are still young and impressionable. I for one and nothing like I was when I was 19 and I might even go as far as to say I'm nothing like I was when I was 30, which isn't that long ago.

If he takes off and leaves her, marriage papers and cash or not, she still does not have her future until they are together. I've seen a few that just wanted to make a quick buck before they head off to their destination countries too and they usually do not consider this "cheating", as it is their job. After all, even after getting married and put on an "allowance", they still have very little of their own money. Yes, many of them really do find true love with their gringo.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I personally don't care for the north coast girls on average, but then again, many I know in the north came from the south and vice versa. Even one of Eddies angels was once a bar-tender at a gringo bar in Boca Chica (and she was not for sale - see? They are not all sex workers).

Answer this: Once a cheat, always a cheat? Once a player, always a player? C'mon. These are people. People have different personalities and cannot be painted all the same. They love and cry and lie and steal and hope and dream and laugh and desire and cheat, or not, just like the rest of us. Besides, being a ho forever isn't even an option. Their youth is not perpetual.

Excuse the analogy, but if you are not there full time, you are not dating, you are renting. What so bad about renting? I know, some people like to have their own stuff. Then again, ownership has it's drawbacks.

Forget all of the above if what was meant by "once a ho, always a ho" was really saying, once especially skilled in sex and perpetually horny, always that way. Then for sure, you'll find out NOT. Getting married is a good way to prove it!

Jim, you have good points but it reminds me of an italian guy whom i knew in puerto plata. He married an extremely good looking young whore off a whore house. She was only 17 yrs old and looked very innocent and cute. She told him that she was from a campo and had a baby with a guy. Now she is forced to do what she is doing to support her family. He married her and she remained faithful for the first few months. The funny or sad part was that when he walked around with her, almost all the guys pointed their fingers at her and him (el pendejo) who married a hooker. Almost all the guys had slept with her. Even the guy's roommate and his extended friends were her clients.
Tell me Jim, would you consider having kids with a woman who had done it with all the guys in the area? Now if this guy takes her to USA or canada, you seriously think this girl would not walk out on him if he is more than twice her age....with a younger guy...if the opportunity arises?
It makes me wonder what type of families these guys come from who can simply present an ex. hooker (with ugly tattoos) to their mothers and family members? These guys would certainly have to be trailor trash to be able to accept a woman of such background to become their soulmates and mothers of their children.
Anyway, the girl (mentioned above) just like the rest of them like her, went back to her own ways. She was seen with a gringo tourist (ex customer) when her italian hubby was out of the country. She was so afraid that I would tell upon her hubby that that same night she came to my house to shut me up. Guess what it took to do that? Funny, I wasn't even gonna tell in the first place. Hahahaha. Anyway, she stayed with me for the next 10 days until her hubby came back. Now she is divorced and back to the same business.

I'll just agree with Hinsch. Though I'd be very cautious about things ( I'd never marry any woman ), one should be careful about being too general.

Boca Chica is the only place I vaguely know, but I've met a lot of
different people among the bunch that's there. There's a fair few
cucarachitas who I'd stay away from in any case, but you also find
a number of girls that are really nice, decent..in their own way..
and even honest. I'd even go so far as to say that I can trust some of them.

I know of girls who married foreigners and it has worked out
terribly well and I know of other cases where it hasn't, more so of
the latter but still. Some kill themselves, others love the fun and
the friendship among the girls. Most are for sale, others aren't.

If any of them marries with a guy twice her age, follow the guy to
his country and meet "a younger guy" she might very well dump
the first, but so would most of us do if we found a better option.
God knows I would. It happens all the time and all over, one should just make sure one doesn't lose half of everything in the process.

Of all the tourist trash ( among them, my humble self ), sankies,
Italians, pimps, robbers ( PN!! ) et al I've met in Boca Chica, it is
among some of the girls I've found good, reliable friends.

Most of them are trash though and I'd be careful.

Now, how do I translate this one... : "Life, society and civilisation
rest on, and are driven forward by the interaction between the male's reproductive instincts and the female's economic priorities."

That'll be my waffle for now.

AZB,I thought you only have sex with "Models",..

..and rich white girls from important families in Santiago,What happened????CRIS

AZB said:

Jim, you have good points but it reminds me of an italian guy whom i knew in puerto plata. He married an extremely good looking young whore off a whore house. She was only 17 yrs old and looked very innocent and cute. She told him that she was from a campo and had a baby with a guy. Now she is forced to do what she is doing to support her family. He married her and she remained faithful for the first few months. The funny or sad part was that when he walked around with her, almost all the guys pointed their fingers at her and him (el pendejo) who married a hooker. Almost all the guys had slept with her. Even the guy's roommate and his extended friends were her clients.
Tell me Jim, would you consider having kids with a woman who had done it with all the guys in the area? Now if this guy takes her to USA or canada, you seriously think this girl would not walk out on him if he is more than twice her age....with a younger guy...if the opportunity arises?
It makes me wonder what type of families these guys come from who can simply present an ex. hooker (with ugly tattoos) to their mothers and family members? These guys would certainly have to be trailor trash to be able to accept a woman of such background to become their soulmates and mothers of their children.
Anyway, the girl (mentioned above) just like the rest of them like her, went back to her own ways. She was seen with a gringo tourist (ex customer) when her italian hubby was out of the country. She was so afraid that I would tell upon her hubby that that same night she came to my house to shut me up. Guess what it took to do that? Funny, I wasn't even gonna tell in the first place. Hahahaha. Anyway, she stayed with me for the next 10 days until her hubby came back. Now she is divorced and back to the same business.

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The Italian guy picked the wrong girl, obviously. The age difference doesn't bother me so much, so long as it isn't really in your face apparent when they are together. If they don't make a good couple, then that right there is the problem and it should be apparent to everybody from day one. Some of the 17 year olds I've met are wise well beyond their years and are more mature than some of the 30 year old men I know. People grow up real fast in some places. I've met a few 15 year old girls (I know, it is sad) that are working the tourist towns. They could hold their own in maturity against any 21 year old American girl, both in behavior and physical characteristics. They never had the "just wanna have fun" part of their life.

Personally, I would not give even a second of consideration as to what my parents or my family would think of my partner. I've never asked their opinion and could care less. They don't have to live it and I've never been asked my opine on my siblings selections either. I am a fully grown man, and I don't need Mom and Dad's approval, or even desire it. It just would never even enter into the equation. I don't size people up and put them in categories of "trash" or not. I think that's real shallow. People are mostly products of their circumstances. This is ten-fold in a foreign poor country, where one just expects the average to be uneducated, poor, and uncultured, relative to myself. All circumstantial issues. It's also pretty hard to tell what kind of background a person has if you are not a native speaker of the language, the usual dead giveaway. All you can tell is that they grew up poor and they reflect that situation.

Would I consider having kids with a woman that had slept with half the town? Absolutely. I don't consider sexual promiscuity to have any bearing on the quality of the individual. Just like a virgin holds no special value to me. I bet Pam Anderson has slept with hundreds. Yes, she can have my baby. Martha Stuart - not interested.

I hold intelligence more important than education, heart is more important than family background, grooming more important than fashion, attitude more important than bloodline, enthusiasm and optimism comes before experience and knowledge, sexual trumps conservative, and morally bankrupt beats out morally anal. If the latter of these is in your sights, then America is a better hunting ground.

Some people like tattoos. It is not always a sign of trash. It is sometimes an sign of expression. It really depends on your culture and age. Tattoos are very popular with the 20-something crowd, albeit typically in discreet places on the ladies. You'd be hard pressed to find a World War II vet that doesn't have a tattoo or a good friend that has one.

I did say that most of the locals are undesirable. Those are what you refer to. I'm talking about the gems that are also there amongst them.

Yes, I'd marry a hooker, a stripper, a bisexual, or a criminal. Not based on those attributes, but none of those would put them out of the running. It would just depend on the individual. I don't have any such judgements. I think some of the most wicked and undesirable people come from great families, lots of money, are well educated successful professionals that have not slept around much. They are well dressed, well behaved, cultured, and well traveled. And I would not ever want to be around them. Some, not all. I would not rule them out as a class either. Again, they are of their circumstance.

I also don't give much value to those that have risen from the mud to great success. When I'm looking to fill the presidency, I'll look for that kind of person, but when I'm looking to share my time, I prefer a big smile, a sweet demeanor, in intelligent mind, an attractive look, a good heart, a wide-eyed interest and an affectionate, loving, honest, can do no wrong personality coupled with a high sex drive and a body that stops traffic.

I think you do yourself a great injustice, including to yourself, when you classify people based on circumstance, SOCIETY morals, accomplishment, and family background. This is using the status-quo filter, and I for one disagree with much of the status quo. I trust my own judgement over all other people combined. I don't ignore the opinion of others either. But I never forget that their criteria is not mine.

Even when I read the reviews and see the "best buy" or "editor's choice" on a product, I often don't select that because I find our criteria doesn't match. A good example is in what you wrote. I'm not looking to marry or have children, so potential for becoming my wife or the mother of my kids doesn't come into play when selecting my soul mate.

The Italian guy story is just another story of a fool with money, a kid in a candy store, a spoiled teenager, or the tourist with rose-colored glasses. Either he ignored reality or was fully aware and didn't care because he got out of it what he expected. Just like the guy who married Anna Nicole Smith. I bet he died a happy man and had no illusions.

Originally posted by Jim Hinsch
I hold intelligence more important than education, heart is more important than family background, grooming more important than fashion, attitude more important than bloodline, enthusiasm and optimism comes before experience and knowledge, sexual trumps conservative, and morally bankrupt beats out morally anal.

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I think you do yourself a great injustice, including to yourself, when you classify people based on circumstance, SOCIETY morals, accomplishment, and family background. [bolding mine]

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Hear, fu**ing hear!

Wiser words have never been said in these fora. Some people should print that and stick it in their foreheads for them to see every morning.

Bravo Jim! Bravo!

Of-course these words seem very wise when said in written text or spoken in a commanding voice. I mean who would disagree? However, in real life you just can't follow what you preach. Jim is not in the market to get married or to have children; he is simply out there to have fun under the sun. Having said that, who would care where she comes from or how many men she slept with?
Anyway, Jim, I am one of your greatest fans on the board and you are a true scholor in my books.
Now PIB, I hope you didn't agree with every word Jim had to write in his previous post? I mean, what would your mom think of you if you she heard you talk like that....? Hahahaa, just kidding aunt clara.

You'd be surprise to hear then that yes, I agree with his whole post. That was some piece. And I know my mom would be proud, she didn't raise me to be a judgemental person.

"Judge not that ye be not judged".

_{^{::deja vu::}}

Jim,

I truly enjoyed your last post. Hope to see you in Boca Chica
soon.

M

right, like in real life.....