US Hypocrisy - Deportation and Extradition

A.J. said:

I am not one who usually gets political but I have to say I am amazed at the hypocrisy of the US government.

Can someone please explain to me the point of having the Dom. Rep extradite drug traffickers to the US while at the same time the US deporting those who have served their time back to the Dom. Rep?

It appears to me they want people to do the time on US soil then send them back where they came from.

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and your point is??????

A.J. said:

I am not one who usually gets political but I have to say I am amazed at the hypocrisy of the US government.

Can someone please explain to me the point of having the Dom. Rep extradite drug traffickers to the US while at the same time the US deporting those who have served their time back to the Dom. Rep?

It appears to me they want people to do the time on US soil then send them back where they came from.

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Your last statement is, I believe, correct, and I see no hypocracy at all in this. They face trial and serve time in the US because they have violated US laws, and because with good reason the US authorities have little faith in the DR justice system. They are returned after serving their time because they are Dominican, and they had enjoyed the priviledge of staying in the US based on, among other things, obeying the law. When they broke it, they forfited that priviledge.

I'm assuming your option would be to simply let them stay in the DR, living like kings off of their ill-gotten gain? Or perhaps after serving their time, US authorities should overlook the fact that as felons they have violated the conditions of whatever visa or permit allowed them to stay there and release them to resume their activities?

I agree somewhat.............

..............because the US must pay the cost of keeping these people in jail!

Why not just leave them in whatever country they are in and never let them re-enter the US?

.................assuming we are talking about NON VIOLENT type crimes etc.

It makes sense that they serve time in whatever country the crime was committed. But doing time in the US is like being at a Holiday Inn compared to the jails in DR. I don't think doing time in US jails is a detterent from committing crime again.

A.J.it's a two way street------

The Dominican Government has just last week (I think) requested the extradition of aan American who is alledged to have been intimately and deeply involved in the :Renove" scandal. It would seem that your "hypocracy" label would also apply to the Dominican Government.

In actuality, extradition is a legal method to gain possession of person(s) who are perceived to be criminals in violation of both local country laws and international law. It is a vehicle used to begin a judicial solution to many felonious crimes committed and where the perpetrator has "flown the coop" so to speak. Were it not for such agreements between nations, we would forever have criminals amoungst us whom we should fear but can't touch.
Extradition is not easy to come by. A body of evidence must be presented that is overwhelmingly positive that the subject has, in fact, committed the crime for which extradition is sought. Even then, it is very difficult to effect such an act.

Rethink your position in light of the above before you accuse any nation of "hypocracy"!
amd remember that you are dealing a blow to national honor when you do so.

Texas Bill

Edited to add:

Deportation is another matter altogether.

When a foreign national violates the laws ( or regulations pertaining to the residency therein) of the country in which he is residing, he subjects himself to regulatory or judicial review of his status in that country. If it is determined ( and in many cases that determination is ambiguous and preemptory) that he has not performed in accordance with good citizenship ( that is, he has failed to keep the proper authorities up to date as to his location, or has committed a crime, or series of crimes, misdemeanors or felonies) then he is subjected to a regulatory and/or judicial review and if there is a preponderance of evidence to support it he is deported. If the case has criminal overtones, he is arraigned and prosecuted and if found guilty, he serves his sentence and is then deported as an undesirable. He is further denied to ever be able to reenter the country. I believe the later is very much universal. Regulatory violatiors may possibly be allowed to reapply after a given time lapse.

Hope that clears up the "hypocracy" question.

If I'm wrong in my statements, someone please correct me. Don't want A.J. to get the wrong info.

Texas Bill

Anna Coniglio said:

It makes sense that they serve time in whatever country the crime was committed. But doing time in the US is like being at a Holiday Inn compared to the jails in DR. I don't think doing time in US jails is a detterent from committing crime again.

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I agree with you regarding the state of prisons abroad. Let the non-violent offenders do their time there. Prison in DR is the epitome of serving time. None of that pampered, prison-has-rights, country club crap. Do the crime, so the time.

Why should my tax dollars go to extraditing these dudes back to the US to live in prisons that tax dollars must fund? Just tighten up the borders by providing more personnel and high-tech machinery with deeper research capabilities, and keep them out of the US. If they try to re-enter, hopefully the personnel and technology will screen most of them out, effectively returning them to whence they came.

Wouldn't shock me if the prison lobbyists were behind this. Who else stands to gain anything by this?

I'm glad to see the Dominican Republic so readily granting extradition requests. This wasn't alway the case.

And I'm glad to see the various countries working together to aprehend and imprison criminals. Having person who fled to the DR returned to stand trial makes sense to me; letting Dominicans who commit crimes in the US know they can't find a safe haven in the DR if wanted by the police in the US may help deter some from committing crimes in the first place.

With respect to serving prison time in the DR, I agree that it can a much tougher being imprisioned in the DR. Except, that history shows that prisioners with as much money as these drug trafficers are quite well treated in Dominican prisons and all to frequently able to buy their way to freedom.

I look at it like this.. do you really think that the US doesn't care about wasting tax dollars incarcerating a nickle and dime drug dealing schmuck? They do care that is why the nickle and dime schmuck gets sent back deported for petty crap. Its the big dogs that the US is interested in extraditing to make them think twice about the crime they committed behind bars for 10-20 yrs.

Now, think of this... some dominican dude that does not speak and/or understands very little english in a maximum security prison full of black and white dudes. I think this world make the DR prison look like a walk in the park. Don't you think? Maaan they be smackin'em up and taking his corn bread.

A.J. said:

I am not one who usually gets political but I have to say I am amazed at the hypocrisy of the US government.

Can someone please explain to me the point of having the Dom. Rep extradite drug traffickers to the US while at the same time the US deporting those who have served their time back to the Dom. Rep?

It appears to me they want people to do the time on US soil then send them back where they came from.

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Why would the U.S want to do this, do you know how much it will cost to imprison some one in the U.S (like $60/day). Besides that they have to escort these criminals and put them in a plane and the high cost of prosecuting them and lawyers. That is some serius cash.

A.J. said:

I am not one who usually gets political but I have to say I am amazed at the hypocrisy of the US government.

Can someone please explain to me the point of having the Dom. Rep extradite drug traffickers to the US while at the same time the US deporting those who have served their time back to the Dom. Rep?

It appears to me they want people to do the time on US soil then send them back where they came from.

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We should have better drug-traffickers rights as of course they do no harm in the community. Oops, well, they do quite often kill people in gang violence and with the drugs. Otherwise they are real poor boo-boo kitties. Tough darts, farmer.

Anna Coniglio said:

It makes sense that they serve time in whatever country the crime was committed. But doing time in the US is like being at a Holiday Inn compared to the jails in DR. I don't think doing time in US jails is a detterent from committing crime again.

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Anna, I hope you are not speaking from personal experience here. It would certainly change my image of you.

The team

Pepe Goico escape with over $40 Million
Mazurca "Guy Involved with the Lotery in "1997-1998" Escape

Just for the single reason "Dominican Ju$tice"

Guess why Florian Felix a Dominican cartel is still in Dominican Jail ? Because
US Federal eyes are on him.

Other has to pay their bill, I hope the US Justice get a electric chair for those guy

Homer

Victor Laszlo said:

Anna, I hope you are not speaking from personal experience here. It would certainly change my image of you.

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No Victor, I've been on DR1 for almost 6 years and I've heard the horror stories. I've also heard from others in other parts of the world that say sitting in a US or even Canadian jails would be like taking a holiday in comparison.

Anna Coniglio said:

But doing time in the US is like being at a Holiday Inn compared to the jails in DR. I don't think doing time in US jails is a detterent from committing crime again.

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US jails like Holiday Inns? Where to begin?

First, sentences are much longer in the US and you can't buy your way out of them or pay a "fianza".

Second, prison in the DR is wonderful if you have wealth and connections. I think most would rather be in an air conditioned cell in Najayo with cable tv, internet access, family/friends visitation, prostitutes a la carte, Brugal and medical leaves.

Admittedly, if you're poor, DR jails are horrible. But at least you get family visits AND LOTS OF MALE-FEMALE SEX! In US prisons, all you get is some guy named "Bubba" who insists on being your "daddy".