The use of "y" and "e"

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miguel

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mofi said:
Lo Siento Chuck, desde ahora voy a escribir en espanol y ingles.

Sorry Chuck, from now one I am going to write in spanish and english.
Since some want to learn, mofi, the right way to spell what you just wrote is: "Lo siento Chuck.........en espanol "E" ingles. Not "Y" ingles.
 
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shadInToronto

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Hey Miguel, are you sure

I recalled from my high school and college Spanish classes, the conjunction 'and' is 'y' in Spanish but, pronunced 'E'. Then again, that was a looooooooooong time ago and I only took Spanish to meet chicks (usually good looking ones in language classes, so not much time learning). :cool:

miguel said:
Since some want to learn, mofi, the right way to spell what you just wrote is: "Lo siento Chuck.........en espanol "E" ingles. Not "Y" ingles.
 

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shadInToronto said:
I recalled from my high school and college Spanish classes, the conjunction 'and' is 'y' in Spanish but, pronunced 'E'. Then again, that was a looooooooooong time ago and I only took Spanish to meet chicks (usually good looking ones in language classes, so not much time learning). :cool:

'y' is the usual word for 'and' but it changes to an 'e' before a word beginning with a vowel, like 'a' and 'an' in English.

e.g.

Chiri e Anna estan hablando espa?ol.

Anna y Chiri estan hablando espa?ol.
 

shadInToronto

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Now that you mention it,

I vaguely recalled that but, I was there mostly to meet chicks. This time, however, I am truly interested in learning Spanish.

So Chiri, what are you doing after class today? ;)

Chirimoya said:
'y' is the usual word for 'and' but it changes to an 'e' before a word beginning with a vowel, like 'a' and 'an' in English.

e.g.

Chiri e Anna estan hablando espa?ol.

Anna y Chiri estan hablando espa?ol.
 

Marianopolita

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Correction

Chiri,

Actually only before a vowel that has the same sound. In the example by Mofi "espa?ol y ingl?s", "y" and "i" have the same phonetic sound. Therefore to avoid what is called "cacofon?a" in Spanish the "i" changes to "e". The same holds true for "o" before "otro" and other words with "o" at the beginning of the word it becomes "u".


LDG.


Chirimoya said:
'y' is the usual word for 'and' but it changes to an 'e' before a word beginning with a vowel, like 'a' and 'an' in English.

e.g.

Chiri e Anna estan hablando espa?ol.

Anna y Chiri estan hablando espa?ol.
 

Chirimoya

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Lesley D said:
Chiri,

Actually only before a vowel that has the same sound. In the example by Mofi "espa?ol y ingl?s", "y" and "i" have the same phonetic sound. Therefore to avoid what is called "cacofon?a" in Spanish the "i" changes to "e". The same holds true for "o" before "otro" and other words with "o" at the beginning of the word it becomes "u".


LDG.

You get to date shad in toronto then ;) !

Is the 'e Anna' example wrong? I know that my real name, which begins with an I has to be preceded with e. Not the other vowels then. Thanks for clearing that up!
 

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Chirimoya said:
'y' is the usual word for 'and' but it changes to an 'e' before a word beginning with a vowel, like 'a' and 'an' in English.

e.g.

Chiri e Anna estan hablando espa?ol.

Anna y Chiri estan hablando espa?ol.
Is the 'e' pronounced the same as in 'they'?
 

shadInToronto

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Lesley, did you mean ...

the "y" changes to "e" ...

So just to get it straight, "e" is used when the conjunction precedes a word with the same phonetic sound as "y" (which is pronunced "e") and not all vowels.

Lesley D said:
Chiri,

Therefore to avoid what is called "cacofon?a" in Spanish the "i" changes to "e". The same holds true for "o" before "otro" and other words with "o" at the beginning of the word it becomes "u".


LDG.
 

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shadInToronto said:
the "y" changes to "e" ...

So just to get it straight, "e" is used when the conjunction precedes a word with the same phonetic sound as "y" (which is pronunced "e") and not all vowels.

When the word following "Y" starts with the same sound, "Y" changes to "E".
Ex. Stewart e Iris llegaron tarde.
 

Marianopolita

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ShadInToronto,

Yes, that's what I meant. Sorry for the typo.

"y" to "e" if the phonetic sound is the same. Not all vowels.


LDG.


shadInToronto said:
the "y" changes to "e" ...

So just to get it straight, "e" is used when the conjunction precedes a word with the same phonetic sound as "y" (which is pronunced "e") and not all vowels.
 

Marianopolita

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Chiri,

Your example was incorrect.

"Jos? e Iv?n" but (e Anna is incorrect)


LDG.


Chirimoya said:
You get to date shad in toronto then ;) !

Is the 'e Anna' example wrong? I know that my real name, which begins with an I has to be preceded with e. Not the other vowels then. Thanks for clearing that up!
 

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Let me see if I have this right. The only time "e" instead of "y" is used is if the word begins with an "I" but not other vowels?
 

Chirimoya

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So it seems. What about words beginning with 'hi'? Wouldn't they fall into that category as well? H is silent in Spanish. Aguja e hilo?
 

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Chirimoya said:
So it seems. What about words beginning with 'hi'? Wouldn't they fall into that category as well? H is silent in Spanish. Aguja e hilo?
Yup! The silent "h" in "hi" turns it into a phonetic "i", thus the same rule applies of "e" instead of "y" to precede the next word thta starts with same vowel sound of "i" or "y".

Even though more commonly we are seeing the ampersand in Spanish these days, a typical finding is that when the name of a businnes with the word sons; e.g. "Taller de Hojalater?a Gonzalez & Hijos" ("Gonzalez & Sons' Body Shop") should correctly be "Taller de Hojalater?a Gonzalez e Hijos" and certanily not "... Gonzalez y Hijos".

- Tordok
 

miguel

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Some nerves!

NOTE TO ALL:

I DID NOT STARTED THIS THREAD!.

It's ok, I guess, but next time, at least let me know ahead of time.

Thread related:

What about using "U" when the words ends and begins with "O"?.

Example: Sera ese el caminO u Otra cosa?.
 

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That's correct!

You say "el siete o el ocho" (the seven or the eight)

but

"siete u ocho" (seven or eight)

When the word that inmediately follows the conjunction "o" starts with "o" the conjunction changes to "u".



miguel said:
NOTE TO ALL:

I DID NOT STARTED THIS THREAD!.

It's ok, I guess, but next time, at least let me know ahead of time.

Thread related:

What about using "U" when the words ends and begins with "O"?.

Example: Sera ese el caminO u Otra cosa?.
 
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