if the usa let all domincans travel. no visa

daddy1

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Well... washington height's will become Santo Domingo full!! over night, crime in the city will rise at a rapid rate due to lack of skills and low education, but over all things would improve enormously with D.R. economically, if something like that were to happen in D.R. that would be the GREASTEST thing that ever happened to the country, because that would mean that the U.S. has annexed there which should help the island 100% especially with there light, water, and educational situation...
 

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daddy1, you got the end right, but for the wrong reasons.

The electricity, water, and educational situation would improve because:

A) All the people stealing the electricity will be gone. Thus, only those who can afford to pay for such will remain.

B) Samething for water.

C) With education, the less pupils there are to teach but the budget remains the same, the more will be spent per pupil, thus increasing the quality.

And you forgot one,

the lifestyle will change. Since this will create a shortage of labor in many areas, the wages will go up, unless Haitians come in to replace those who left. Then, the wages will remain low.

But, in a country with no immigration, only emigration possible, the outflow of people would continue and at the same time the wages will increase up until people stop leaving. And people will stop leaving when the wages reaches a decent level on average and as stated before, the wages will reach a decent level as the workforce pool decreases.

When there is a scarcity of workers the workers will go to the employer who pays the most. Thus, employers will be willing to pay anything because they need labor to keep up with demand on production, as long as the total cost wont increase beyond the breakeven point.

However, when there is a surplus of workers (as is the case), employers will pay the lowest in order to make the most profit (that is the point of capitalism), because even if there are people who won't take the job at such low wages, somebody who is desperate will.

This is further exacerbated here in the DR with the uncontrolled inward migration via the border.


HOW MANY DOMINICANS WILL BE LEFT IF US ACCEPT DOMINICANS WITHOUT VISAS??

To give you an idea, using US dollars in this example, currently the DR economy is producing between 50 and 60 billion dollars a year.

Let's be conservative and use 50 billion in this example.

50 billion divided by 8.5 million people gives a per capita Income of 5,882 dollars and some cents.

We have to keep in mind that half of those 8.5 million people are under the age of 18 and of the half that is over the age of 18, only 3 million are able to work (this is the workforce). Out of those 3 million, around 15% are unemployed, that's around 450,000 dominicans and on top of that, there are around 1 million illegal haitian immigrants willing to work for much less than what those 450,000 unemployed Dominicans would work doing the same thing.

If Dominicans would feel comfortagble living in a country with a per capita income of only $25,000 assuming no visas needed, the number of Dominicans that would leave before the outflow tapers off would be 6.5 million of the 8.5 million that currently live in the country.

This will leave a population of 2 million, which will correspond to a per capita income of $25,000 with the current economy we have. Most of those who would leave, will be children, since they make a huge percentage of the poor in this country. In fact, the majority of the poor are children.

However, let's assume that most Dominicans would be happy if the DR becomes more like Puerto Rico, which as a per capita income of around $12,000 a year.

Then, 4,166,667 Dominicans will be left on the island, because at that population number with the current economy the DR would have increased its per capita income to $12,000 a year on par with Puerto Rico. The US will only see 4,333,333 Dominicans immigrate there.

And finally, if Dominicans will not be satisfied until the DR has a per capita income similar to the US, which is around $36,000 a year, then the DR will be left with 1,388,889 people, while the US will see 7,111,111 Dominicans immigrate.

All of these assumptions are with the assumption of all other things constant.
 
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daddy1

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I see your point!!!

It would be interesting to see, how things would have turned out, at least we both agree many people would be out of severe poverty, but don't get me wrong there will still be poverty, but not to the extreme I mean P.Ricans are benefiting from the U.S. wic, medicaid and food stamps program, so if in D.R. you can have full home ownership, some people will surely be well off then they are now, because they could have a low paying part -time job on the side, and still receive these benefits, you see one family member can leave the home to the U.S. a get a full time basic 6 or 7 dollar an hour job, send money home and another receive HRS or welfare benefits in D.R. - you see that would be the first step in combating the poverty crisis in the island, and as far as the border is concerned, the U.S. coast guard and Marine corps would take that problem over completely. that is if they don't claim the whole island as a U.S. virgin island it has a good ring to it

THE U.S. VIRGIN ISLAND OF HISPANOLA..A PARADISE RE-DISCOVERED! ;)