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mrmagic

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hi
im looking to put a 2nd floor on my home and i want to do it in sections ie walls/windows/doors first ect. I will not be under- taking interior work ie kitchen , bathroom ect at this time .
The house has been built by the previous builder with the intention of a 2nd floor being added at a later date (ie stairwell already exists, plumbing ect) House area that exists currently; 10 metres *12metres (120mtres2 approx).

I would like to obtain some idea of what it will cost to build the walls (cement blocks)and a sloped high quality roof !10k, 15k, 20k.........remember this is only the exterior; 4 walls and a roof
All opinions on COSTS are welcome!

cheers
magic
 
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funckytown

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it s just a roof... I told U ;)

hi

depending of the place and people... and companies
roughly
500 pesos for a wall, plus 200 pesos for finishing
a column about 3 to 5.000

floor/roof 1500 to 2500 (without the formwork)

so when you say only the outside walls ;)

you need the inside walls to support your roof :bandit:

so 10 by 12 :
plus two walls of 12 in the middle and 2 of 10

walls : 44 + 24 + 20 = 88 x 3 = 270 x 700 = 200.000 pesos
roof 120 x 5.000 = 60.000 pesos
24 columns x 5.000 = 120.000
usually the price of an opening is the same as a wall closed
= no material but some finishing...
and also a wall costs the same as a large opening with a beam

so 380.000 :nervous:
and do not forget it is the 2nd floor...
add 30 % I would say... 13.000 to 17.000 dollars [maybe]

let me know for any quotation U receive
thanks
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i saw a website (ready 4 Xmas they say) for europe
they told me they will have by the beginning of next year the prices for SOUTH od RD
free online quotation
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so or you wait...
 

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Rick Snyder

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It takes 2 1/2 cinder blocks to equal one meter. If the sides of the house are 10 meters, 12 meters, 10 meters, 12 meters then you are talking about 44 meters times 2 1/2 blocks would be 110 blocks per course. (this is for a complete enclosure and doesn't take into account windows and doors which would require less blocks) 9 courses would give you a height of 6' 8". The Dominicans then apply a 8 inch cap of concrete and then a final course of block giving you a overall height of 8' to build your roof upon.

Remember this calculation is for a building completely enclosed with no doors or windows so the final number of blocks would be considerable less.

10 courses of block with 110 blocks per course = 1110 blocks

Don't know what the going rate for cinder blocks is now but the last time I checked it was 6 pesos per block. 6 x 1110 = RD$ 6,600

The going labor rate a while back was 2 pesos to lay each block 2 x 1110 =RD$ 2,220

Should cost you less then RD$ 8,800 to have the walls put up not counting cement and sand.

Can't help you with the rest and others may have an exact price for block now.

Rick

Forgot about the wall needed down the center of the building to support the roof.

36 blocks per course x 10 courses but less because this isn't taking into account how many entries you will want in this foundation wall.
 
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funckytown

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Rick Snyder said:
It takes 2 1/2 cinder blocks to equal one meter

Don't know what the going rate for cinder blocks is now but the last time I checked it was 6 pesos per block. 6 x 1110 = RD$ 6,600

The going labor rate a while back was 2 pesos to lay each block 2 x 1110 =RD$ 2,220
Should cost you less then RD$ 8,800 to have the walls put up not counting cement and sand.

36 blocks per course x 10 courses but less because this isn't taking into account how many entries you will want in this foundation wall.
Oufff....
Rick... Plizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz build my home...
I am sure... you will need 100 years for all the customer you just found.. ;)
Rick,
I thank you I learned something about the way they finish the top of the wall,
Sorry for the above lines,

2200 pesos to build 50 yards of wall?????
they work 3 persons for one row of 50 yards per day... you say 10 courses
so there is at least for one men 30 days of work.... when it is a outside solar wall...
so 70 pesos per day
I know it is cheap here .... but... and it is on the 2nd floor....

ok 2 1/2 x 5 is 1 M2 :
block 14 12,5 175
mortar 1 125 125 (cement arena)
labour 14 12,5 175
475

well the price today is from 10 to 12 pesos the cinder block, if you buy more it might be cheaper...
the labour price is the same price as the block 10 to 12 ( I know, we can talk about with them)
I remind You that cement cost 150 pesos... 2day
The M2 of construction is about 8.000 pesos x 120 nowadays
depending of the finish.

Well, i believe also it depends of where, and when the offers are made...

So I believe it is a interessant matter,

So my question is :

could everybody tell us all the approximate price they payed for :
1 M2 of a 8 inch(20 cm) wall :

Where : When : M2 wall : M2 finish
Boca chica : 2004 : XXXRD$ : XXXRD$

Big Thank You all
 

Rick Snyder

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funckytown,
Sorry, I wasn't trying to start a feud or anything of that nature. The OP was questioning the cost and I was trying to give a cost based on what I paid for the construction of my house which is 14 meters by 12 meters. This was a number of years ago when block cost 4 pesos and my ONE laborer charged one peso to lay one block. This ONE laborer, and I also, can lay more than one block per minute. But for the sake of arguments sake let's say he lays, on average, only 30 blocks per hour allowing 2 minutes per block and a novice could do this. Working a typical 6 hour day would mean, 6 x 30 block = 180 blocks per day, 1110 blocks divided by 180 blocks per day = roughly 6 days to construct the walls.

I have seen a lot of construction done and one thing a lot of Dominicans know is how to lay block. Not saying they do it the way we do in the USA but they get the job done to their standards and it equates to at least one block a minute which would equate to 60 blocks per hour or 3 days construction for 1110 blocks. This is of course if you can get a solid 6 hours of labor out of your laborer per day.

If you search for labor you can find a single person to construct your walls and in reality he needs no more than one gopher to work with him. He will not pay his gopher more then 150 pesos per day so anything you pay above that goes into the pocket of the mason. The mason is probably going to tell you that his laborers cost 200 pesos a day put rest assured he isn't paying them 200. So........the mason lays 30 blocks per hour for 6 hours a day and charges you RD$ 200 for one laborer per day =

We will use your prices and 2 minutes per block;

180 blocks a day at 10 pesos per block and 10 pesos for labor charge per block = RD$ 3,600 per day plus 200 for one laborer = RD$ 3,800 per day for 6 days = RD$ 22,800 for blocks and labor only.The mason is earning RD$ 1,800 per day or RD$ 300 per hour. IS YOU CRAZY!!!!!!!!!!

If anyone pays this price they have foreigner stamped across their forehead.

As I said, the last time I checked a mason charged 2 pesos per block but once again let us say the price has doubled to 4 pesos per block. He leisurely can lay 180 blocks in a day which equates to RD$ 720 and 200 for his gopher is RD$ 920 labor cost per day. The mason is making RD$ 720 per day or RD$ 120 per hour. Sounds much better but still too high.

Good block layers, masons, are a dime a dozen in this country as there are so many of them. When talking construction I stay away from using square meters as it doesn't come into play and people in construction use it as a ploy to jack up the price. A block is 15 inches long. Two and a half blocks = 37 1/2 inches and the mortar in between these blocks equal at least 2 inches giving you 39 1/2" or one meter in length. Nowhere in the construction should square meters be used. If the DR had cement trucks coming in and dropping off ready mixed then I could see using square meters but if not don't allow it to be used. If you charge 30 pesos per hour for your labor and it takes you 30minutes to prepare one cubic meter of mortar that should be , in reality 15 pesos. If you charge by the sqaured or cubed meter at lets say 60 pesos and it only takes you 15 minutes to mix it you are charging the owner RD$240 pesos an hour. This is called ladron or robar!

Rick
 

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you are right rick

Rick,
I believe you, that's why I asked if somebody had made a wall lately [november 2005 ;) ], somewhere with a today cost.
I asked prices, in Juan Dolio, Boca chica and La Caletta, without discussing, just interested by the main costs.

In Juan Dolio, they build like CRAZY, the prices GO UP, UP, UP
The metro is sold out, 360.000 US$ for an appartment....(150 m2)... :tired:
So you should only pay one wall on one side.. :nervous:
I saw very nice villas to sell for about 200.000 with 5 rooms, 150 yards from the sea,
That's why I am interested to know the construction price... before building.
Like alot of us on this forum :classic:

My idea hoy, is 500 to 700 for a finished wall, so it makes me very happy to hear that it is cheaper.

But my question remains :

could everybody tell us all the approximate price they payed for :
1 M2 of a 8 inch(20 cm) wall :

Where : When : M2 wall : M2 finish
Boca chica : 2004 : XXXRD$ : XXXRD$

best regards,
funcky
 

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Using 4 bags of cement per cubic meter of mortar the price should come out to about RD$ 1,000 to make a cubic meter of mortar. That cubic meter will make approx. 17 meters of 8" x 8" mortar cap (viga de amarre). This price does not have the price of the re-bar (varilla) that must be cut, bent and shaped to be placed in the middle of the form for the cap. I have no idea how much a quintal, 13 each 20' rods, of rebar costs now. One quintal of re-bar will make approx. 14 meters of form for the interior of the cap.

Talking about a house that is 10 meters by 12 meters will need;

54 meters of cap (vige de amarre)
approx. 3 cubic meters of concrete approx. RD$ 3,000
approx. almost 4 quintal of re-bar (varilla) price ????????

The typical door is 34" or 2 blocks wide and 9 blocks high so each door allows you to subtract 18 blocks from your total. The average window is 2 blocks wide and 4 blocks high allowing you to subtract 8 blocks from your total for each window.

Therefore for a house 10 meters by 12 meters with a door in the front and one in the rear ( minus 36 blocks). 2 windows on the front, one left half other right half, and the same in the rear (minus 24 blocks). 3 windows on each side of the house (minus 48 blocks).3 doorways on the center wall allowing you to get from the right side to the left side (minus 54 block) Total block to subtract 162 block.

3 each 12 meter walls and 2 each 10 meter walls equals 56 meters of walls. At 2 1/2 blocks per meter = 140 blocks per course

10 total courses = 1,400 blocks minus 162 blocks that would have been where the 5 doorways and 10 windows are = 1,238 blocks to build the house. Plus the mortar for the blocks.

Check the current prices for material and you should be on your way.

Rick
 

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Got the prices of materials today;

1 meter of sand.....................650.00
1 meter of gravel...................550.00
1 bag cement.........................100.00
1 quintal re-bar......................900.00
1 cinder block........................11.00

This is in El Seybo where transportation costs cause a price hike in my neck of the woods so it's possible that these items could be cheaper elsewhere.
When making concrete I use 1/3 gravel and 2/3 sand and 4 bags of cement for one cubic meter = 184.00 + 433.00 + 400.00 = RD$ 1,017.00

54 meters of cap (vige de amarre)
approx. 3 cubic meters of concrete approx. RD$ 3,051
approx. almost 4 quintal of re-bar (varilla) RD$ 3,600
1,238 cinder blocks RD$ 13,618

The mortar for the blocks is made with sand and cement only and you should be able to lay 1,238 blocks with 1 cubic meter of mortar = RD$ 1,050

You should have re-bar for the centers of your blocks staggered at every 4 or 5 blocks would require another quintal of re-bar = RD$ 900.00

Total material costs for walls for a house 10 meters by 12 meters should be roughly 3,051 + 3,600 + 13,618 + 1,050 + 900 = RD$ 23,119.00
At a 32 to 1 rate would be US$ 725.00

It is my opinion that you could get 3 laborers for RD$ 1,000 per day = Mason 600, 2 gophers 200 each for 6 days = RD$ 6,000.00

Total cost for walls RD$ 23,119 + 6,000 = RD$ 29,119.00 or US$ 910.00

Rick
 
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billyidol

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hi rick
id like to know with reference to SLOPING ROOFS as opposed to the FLAT concrete slab layed as the roof on many dr homes;
can you tell me the cost for this too??? (10*12m house) i know they are sometimes pre fabricated and fastened to the roof. is the quality just as good prefab as i just want an attractive sloping roof and something that wont blow away at the first sign of a tropical depression
do you have any other product suggestions to put on an attractive sloping roof?what are your cost effective suggestions?
thanks
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Concerning the roof.

There are many options to use depending on the final result you wish to achieve and/or the price you want to pay. On my house I used the metal sheets as that seemed to be what everyone used, that or concrete. It wasn't till I was here for a few years that I learned that the DR in fact has the tarpaper and shingles in the finer hardware stores in the larger cities. If I had known that 7 years ago I would have gone that route as that will give you a very modern look, by DR standards, and will give better protection from the rain and sun.

The easiest and strongest roof to construct is of cement. The problem with a cement roof is that there is no soffits to allow ventilation at the highest portion of the building and therefore the hot air must vacate at the window level. Mucho calor!! The typical Dominican house has trusses from a center beam to the walls with 2x4's therefore allowing a 4" opening along the outer walls. This is great for ventilation at the upper level but is also great for allowing mosquitoes and such to enter your home. If these pests don't bother you then this is the cheapest construction to do. If, on the other hand, these pests do bother you then it is best to go with pre-fab trusses with a 4 to 6 inch overhang which allows you to have a soffit on each side of the house which can be enclosed with fine mess screen to allow air to circulate but keep the critters out.

By using pre-fab trusses you are afforded the opportunity to make what every design of roof you desire. You can make these trusses yourself and insure they are all the same size and shape and put them up very easily. I constructed my house with the trusses on 48" centers but I would strongly suggest that you use 24" centers when installing trusses. To determine how many trusses you need just take the length of the house if in meters and divide by ( .6 ). A house 12 meters long would need - 12 / .06 = 20 trusses to have 24" centers.

The type of trusses impact the construction tremendously in that if you were to use the ( M ) truss,as an example, the load bearing walls are the outer walls therefore allowing a less elaborate center wall in the construction. The draw back to a less elaborate wall would be one of wood and I would suggest the use of as little wood as possible in this climate. (CONCRETE) ( BLOCKS ).

The importance of connecting the trusses to the walls!!!!!!!!! In the hurricane of 1998 there were a lot of Dominicans that lost their roofs. This was due to faulty construction in that the Dominicans fail to connect their trusses, or beams, to the walls. I watched in amazement as in the period of reconstruction the majority of the people replaced the missing beams without once again connecting those beams to the walls. The next hurricane will once again remove those same roofs. In the construction of my house I drilled a hole in the center of each beam right above the wall and inserted a re-bar through these beams. I then took an upside down ( J ) section of re-bar and placed these every foot on the horizontal re-bar and cemented them into the holes of the top layer of block on each outer wall. My sheets of metal might disappear in the next storm but my beams are going nowhere unless with the top layer of block. As my house was constructed with a vertical re-bar in every forth block I bent this re-bar over the horizontal re-bar further insuring my beams are never going to vacate.

The cost of materials;

If you were to use concrete for a roof of a house 14 meters by 10 meters. If you allow for a 4" roof you will get 9 1/2 square meters out of one cubic meter of concrete. 140 square meters divided by 9 1/2 = 15 cubic meters of cement RD$ 15, 255.00. I would suggest using re-bar for reinforcement crisscrossed in one foot squares which would require 11 quintals of re-bar = RD$ 9,900.00. Total cost of material = RD$ 25,155.00 divided by 32 = US$ 786.00

If you are going to use concrete for a roof then I suggest that in the last course of block you lay a number of those design cinder blocks that have holes in them. This will allow for the air to circulate at the upper portion of the building and, as I did, you can build a screen to insert where these blocks are so that critters can't enter. These decorative blocks are 3/4 as thick as a normal block and half as wide. If you make these decorative blocks flush with the inner wall you have room on the outside to insert a fitted screen with no trouble.

If working with wood and trusses then you are talking about trusses a little more then 10 meters wide and the upper portions being 6 meters long on each side with the cross supporting sections.

One 2 x 4 x 18' costs = RD$ 480.00
One truss would need 5 pieces of wood 2 x 4 x 18' to construct =
RD$ 2,400.00

20 trusses for 24 " centers =
RD$ 48,000.00 = US$ 1,500.00

On top of these trusses you can put sheets of plywood followed by tarpaper and shingles or you can apply corrugated sheets of metal.

Sheet of plywood 4' x 8' x 1/2" = RD$ 950.00
You would need 54 sheets of plywood to cover your roof = RD$ 51,300.00 = US$ 1,603.00
I have no idea on the price of tarpaper or shingles.

If you cover your roof with corrugated metal you would need 57 sheets of metal.
The best sheets of metal cost RD$ 290.00
57 sheets would cost RD$ 16,530.00 = US$ 517.00

So there you have a rough cost of the material for a roof;

Concrete = RD$ 25,155.00 = US$ 786.00
Trusses with plywood without tarpaper and shingles = RD$ 99,300.00 = US$ 3,103.00
Trusses with metal = RD$ 64,530.00 = US$ 2,026.00

With the other material you are talking a total cost of material of RD$ 54,274.00 to RD$ 128,419.00 = US$ 1,696.00 to US$ 4,013.00.

Remember these are rough estimates only !!!!!!!!!

Rick
 

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billyidol

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rick you are a champion, the amount of work you put into your answer so that i may understand what im up against (in terms of costs and equip') is greatly appreciated. ive been angered in the past with peoples responses but yours and the other dudes funkysomthinorother was extremely informative and has put me on track to cutting costs. thanks again
bi


Rick Snyder said:
Concerning the roof.

There are many options to use depending on the final result you wish to achieve and/or the price you want to pay. On my house I used the metal sheets as that seemed to be what everyone used, that or concrete. It wasn't till I was here for a few years that I learned that the DR in fact has the tarpaper and shingles in the finer hardware stores in the larger cities. If I had known that 7 years ago I would have gone that route as that will give you a very modern look, by DR standards, and will give better protection from the rain and sun.

The easiest and strongest roof to construct is of cement. The problem with a cement roof is that there is no soffits to allow ventilation at the highest portion of the building and therefore the hot air must vacate at the window level. Mucho calor!! The typical Dominican house has trusses from a center beam to the walls with 2x4's therefore allowing a 4" opening along the outer walls. This is great for ventilation at the upper level but is also great for allowing mosquitoes and such to enter your home. If these pests don't bother you then this is the cheapest construction to do. If, on the other hand, these pests do bother you then it is best to go with pre-fab trusses with a 4 to 6 inch overhang which allows you to have a soffit on each side of the house which can be enclosed with fine mess screen to allow air to circulate but keep the critters out.

By using pre-fab trusses you are afforded the opportunity to make what every design of roof you desire. You can make these trusses yourself and insure they are all the same size and shape and put them up very easily. I constructed my house with the trusses on 48" centers but I would strongly suggest that you use 24" centers when installing trusses. To determine how many trusses you need just take the length of the house if in meters and divide by ( .6 ). A house 12 meters long would need - 12 / .06 = 20 trusses to have 24" centers.

The type of trusses impact the construction tremendously in that if you were to use the ( M ) truss,as an example, the load bearing walls are the outer walls therefore allowing a less elaborate center wall in the construction. The draw back to a less elaborate wall would be one of wood and I would suggest the use of as little wood as possible in this climate. (CONCRETE) ( BLOCKS ).

The importance of connecting the trusses to the walls!!!!!!!!! In the hurricane of 1998 there were a lot of Dominicans that lost their roofs. This was due to faulty construction in that the Dominicans fail to connect their trusses, or beams, to the walls. I watched in amazement as in the period of reconstruction the majority of the people replaced the missing beams without once again connecting those beams to the walls. The next hurricane will once again remove those same roofs. In the construction of my house I drilled a hole in the center of each beam right above the wall and inserted a re-bar through these beams. I then took an upside down ( J ) section of re-bar and placed these every foot on the horizontal re-bar and cemented them into the holes of the top layer of block on each outer wall. My sheets of metal might disappear in the next storm but my beams are going nowhere unless with the top layer of block. As my house was constructed with a vertical re-bar in every forth block I bent this re-bar over the horizontal re-bar further insuring my beams are never going to vacate.

The cost of materials;

If you were to use concrete for a roof of a house 14 meters by 10 meters. If you allow for a 4" roof you will get 9 1/2 square meters out of one cubic meter of concrete. 140 square meters divided by 9 1/2 = 15 cubic meters of cement RD$ 15, 255.00. I would suggest using re-bar for reinforcement crisscrossed in one foot squares which would require 11 quintals of re-bar = RD$ 9,900.00. Total cost of material = RD$ 25,155.00 divided by 32 = US$ 786.00

If you are going to use concrete for a roof then I suggest that in the last course of block you lay a number of those design cinder blocks that have holes in them. This will allow for the air to circulate at the upper portion of the building and, as I did, you can build a screen to insert where these blocks are so that critters can't enter. These decorative blocks are 3/4 as thick as a normal block and half as wide. If you make these decorative blocks flush with the inner wall you have room on the outside to insert a fitted screen with no trouble.

If working with wood and trusses then you are talking about trusses a little more then 10 meters wide and the upper portions being 6 meters long on each side with the cross supporting sections.

One 2 x 4 x 18' costs = RD$ 480.00
One truss would need 5 pieces of wood 2 x 4 x 18' to construct =
RD$ 2,400.00

20 trusses for 24 " centers =
RD$ 48,000.00 = US$ 1,500.00

On top of these trusses you can put sheets of plywood followed by tarpaper and shingles or you can apply corrugated sheets of metal.

Sheet of plywood 4' x 8' x 1/2" = RD$ 950.00
You would need 54 sheets of plywood to cover your roof = RD$ 51,300.00 = US$ 1,603.00
I have no idea on the price of tarpaper or shingles.

If you cover your roof with corrugated metal you would need 57 sheets of metal.
The best sheets of metal cost RD$ 290.00
57 sheets would cost RD$ 16,530.00 = US$ 517.00

So there you have a rough cost of the material for a roof;

Concrete = RD$ 25,155.00 = US$ 786.00
Trusses with plywood without tarpaper and shingles = RD$ 99,300.00 = US$ 3,103.00
Trusses with metal = RD$ 64,530.00 = US$ 2,026.00

With the other material you are talking a total cost of material of RD$ 54,274.00 to RD$ 128,419.00 = US$ 1,696.00 to US$ 4,013.00.

Remember these are rough estimates only !!!!!!!!!

Rick
 

funckytown

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thanx to Rick

billyidol said:
rick you are a champion, the amount of work you put into your answer so that i may understand what im up against (in terms of costs and equip') is greatly appreciated. ive been angered in the past with peoples responses but yours and the other dudes funkysomthinorother was extremely informative and has put me on track to cutting costs. thanks again
bi

I can confirm what RICK said, by asking some people,
they are STILL asking 2 pesos a block,
I will try to put the tons of info in excell sheet i am not that much of a litterate :glasses: , but I tell U2 all the information from RICK are great

But I believe, maybe these prices are when you hire people on the work,
what about rules with/without building comapny? taxes? security?
................... rick....? :classic:
never come to juan dolio? to talk about the drinks prices ? :cross-eye

Thanx,
 

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Funckytown,
Sorry but thanks for the offer. I own no car so therefore must use public transportation when I travel out of my little bubble here in El Seybo.As I don't like to be packed like a sardine for a 1 1/2 hour bus trip so I only exit my bubble when absolutely necessary.

What's the saying here? No rules mon jes good beer and walabees!!!!

Rick
 

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Jean luc,
The OP of the thread was only asking about a second floor and that was what my postings were geared toward. In reality though those figures can be used in a complete house with a few adjustments.

1. The footings here for a foundation are nothing like we have in the USA. The footings here are usually 4 inches of concrete poured over a template made of re-bar. This template is made up with at least 3 horizontal, parallel; pieces lengthwise tied evenly about every foot with 6 inch pieces of re-bar. A 6 foot horizontal piece with a 4 inch 90% bend is also tied at about every 4 foot length to allow the blocks an anchor in the footing and walls. These footing are usually placed in a trench that is usually 2 or 3 feet deep. When the initial footings are partially set the first 3 courses of block are laid and the flood will later be poured even with this 2nd or 3rd course. When the walls have been constructed a person will usually come in and pour the floor and even things out and finish said floor. (Here is one of the things that I find so difficult to understand about the Dominican mind and therefore differ in their construction habits).

This is not what I did but it is what I would do if I were to build another house;

a. I would built a solid 12 inch concrete footing with the re-bar template and lay my courses on that footing.

b. Upon the completion of the third course I would pour my flooring. The reason for this is it allows me to insure that the floor is in fact level as there are no walls to hinder your leveling. (It is my opinion that the reason Dominicans wait for the completion of the walls to pour the floors is because they don't want to dirty the floors with the splattered cement used in the construction of the walls. Guess they never heard of dropcloths). 99% of the Dominican floors are not level and it is due to this late pouring of the floor.

c. In the construction of a house you have four corners that we will call, in clockwise order, A, B, C and D. The Dominicans might measure between A and B, B and C, C and D, and D and A but they will never measure between A and C or B and D. It is these measurements that insures a 90% angle at all angles. As an example, if the measurement between A and C is 38 feet exactly and the measurement between B and D is 37 feet 10 inches then your house doesn't have 90% angles and your construction will be off all throughout its construction. These are measurements that must be made at each course of blocks. It has been my experience that Dominicans think they have calibrated eyeballs.

d. Before laying the first course you need to built a squared frame for your doorways and windows. These frames can be built out of 1 x 3's. The reason for these frames is that it gives a reference and guide as to where each block in each course must start or end to insure a squared opening for the finished door or window. On your 5th course of block you place your window frames and the mason then knows where each block must start or end for that window. This means he doesn't need to use his calibrated eye or his level to determine that the opening is in fact square. If in the construction of this frame you were to use a piece of wood the same whith as a block for the upper portion of the window frames then you already have the lower mold in place for when you pour your vige de amarre.

2. The bathroom.....If you live in an area where you can hook up to a sewage line then the majority of your problems are over. If that is the case then you must dig and place your tubing needed for this hookup going into your house prior to your footings. If you don't have the availability of such a hookup, like me, then you must decide if you want to go outside to a building to bathe or if you want a bathroom connected to your house. Being an American I wanted a building connected to my house. As I have no yard to speak of I was not able to have a septic tank so I had a 6 foot by 8 foot hole dug 12 feet deep to built my bathroom on. The walls of this tank are blocked so that the liquids must vacate at the 12 foot below ground level. I also have a 4 inch tube at ground level, 2 1/2 feet below floor level, that goes to another hole 4 feet by 4 feet 8 feet deep for possible overflow. How long will this last? Have no idea. I was not here in country when the idiot did my bathroom but I can tell you that he hooked a floor drain and the bathtub drain into the system with no elbows. It didn't take long for the trapped gases to enter the bathroom through the ventilators this idiot installed. I closed these off with cement and installed a drain for the bathtub to the outside of the house that enters a gravel filled hole 4' x 4' x 4' as this is water containing soap, dirt and or shampoo. Your toilet has a builtin elbow that stops gases from entering the bathroom.

Labor......If you use a construction company you will pay top dollar for labor. If you look for a boss to construct your house you will maybe have to pay him a very steep price but his laborers should not cost more then 200 pesos per day per man. Any more then that look elsewhere. There is enough unemployment in this country to insure that you get labor at a decent price. As you are not working with any unions and there are no enforced laws regulating this construction then your hands are not tied in your dealings with the construction or labor.

If you know nothing about construction or what is is you want in the construction then you are at their mercy. If you want something different and it requires nothing more then maybe a few additional blocks and the boss tries to tell you about how that will cost an additional figure when in reality it only requires an additional 30 minutes of labor then offer to pay that 30 minutes more of labor and not some made up charge that he pulled out of his arse.

Bottom line is you can built here in the DR at a price much, much, much cheaper then in the USA without the codes and required inspectors for each phase.

Rick
 

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First attempt...

Hi Rick, hi everybody,

Thanks to A Big Rick
or is it a Big Thanx to Rick...
U decide..

I tried to put in formula's what he fully explained here with corrazon, to put them in an XLS sheet (still under construction...)
With Rick's counsels you find here, this XLS automatically gives you a price of construction of the masonry.

They are three types of info you MAY change ;) :

The project QUANTITIES THAT HAVE to be changed [Orange]
The Unit prices and quantity to be CHANGED are in GREEN [Green]
The other quantities you COULD change? [Blue]

So you could download it, from here http://www.immodevis.com/
make a copy
WORK on the copy
[There is a Back-up copy in the XLS sheet ;) ]

So have FUN.kYtown and thanx to Rick

So why not have Fun Rick Town... well that sounds good...
:rambo:
 

billyidol

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hey rick i may as well ask you this you dont have to go in to depth like you have b4 but to rig up the electrics for a top floor what would you expect. rough guesstimates are okay assuming i have 2 bedrooms kitchen (say 6 outputs around the 2nd floor)?????
cheers mate













Rick Snyder said:
Concerning the roof.

There are many options to use depending on the final result you wish to achieve and/or the price you want to pay. On my house I used the metal sheets as that seemed to be what everyone used, that or concrete. It wasn't till I was here for a few years that I learned that the DR in fact has the tarpaper and shingles in the finer hardware stores in the larger cities. If I had known that 7 years ago I would have gone that route as that will give you a very modern look, by DR standards, and will give better protection from the rain and sun.

The easiest and strongest roof to construct is of cement. The problem with a cement roof is that there is no soffits to allow ventilation at the highest portion of the building and therefore the hot air must vacate at the window level. Mucho calor!! The typical Dominican house has trusses from a center beam to the walls with 2x4's therefore allowing a 4" opening along the outer walls. This is great for ventilation at the upper level but is also great for allowing mosquitoes and such to enter your home. If these pests don't bother you then this is the cheapest construction to do. If, on the other hand, these pests do bother you then it is best to go with pre-fab trusses with a 4 to 6 inch overhang which allows you to have a soffit on each side of the house which can be enclosed with fine mess screen to allow air to circulate but keep the critters out.

By using pre-fab trusses you are afforded the opportunity to make what every design of roof you desire. You can make these trusses yourself and insure they are all the same size and shape and put them up very easily. I constructed my house with the trusses on 48" centers but I would strongly suggest that you use 24" centers when installing trusses. To determine how many trusses you need just take the length of the house if in meters and divide by ( .6 ). A house 12 meters long would need - 12 / .06 = 20 trusses to have 24" centers.

The type of trusses impact the construction tremendously in that if you were to use the ( M ) truss,as an example, the load bearing walls are the outer walls therefore allowing a less elaborate center wall in the construction. The draw back to a less elaborate wall would be one of wood and I would suggest the use of as little wood as possible in this climate. (CONCRETE) ( BLOCKS ).

The importance of connecting the trusses to the walls!!!!!!!!! In the hurricane of 1998 there were a lot of Dominicans that lost their roofs. This was due to faulty construction in that the Dominicans fail to connect their trusses, or beams, to the walls. I watched in amazement as in the period of reconstruction the majority of the people replaced the missing beams without once again connecting those beams to the walls. The next hurricane will once again remove those same roofs. In the construction of my house I drilled a hole in the center of each beam right above the wall and inserted a re-bar through these beams. I then took an upside down ( J ) section of re-bar and placed these every foot on the horizontal re-bar and cemented them into the holes of the top layer of block on each outer wall. My sheets of metal might disappear in the next storm but my beams are going nowhere unless with the top layer of block. As my house was constructed with a vertical re-bar in every forth block I bent this re-bar over the horizontal re-bar further insuring my beams are never going to vacate.

The cost of materials;

If you were to use concrete for a roof of a house 14 meters by 10 meters. If you allow for a 4" roof you will get 9 1/2 square meters out of one cubic meter of concrete. 140 square meters divided by 9 1/2 = 15 cubic meters of cement RD$ 15, 255.00. I would suggest using re-bar for reinforcement crisscrossed in one foot squares which would require 11 quintals of re-bar = RD$ 9,900.00. Total cost of material = RD$ 25,155.00 divided by 32 = US$ 786.00

If you are going to use concrete for a roof then I suggest that in the last course of block you lay a number of those design cinder blocks that have holes in them. This will allow for the air to circulate at the upper portion of the building and, as I did, you can build a screen to insert where these blocks are so that critters can't enter. These decorative blocks are 3/4 as thick as a normal block and half as wide. If you make these decorative blocks flush with the inner wall you have room on the outside to insert a fitted screen with no trouble.

If working with wood and trusses then you are talking about trusses a little more then 10 meters wide and the upper portions being 6 meters long on each side with the cross supporting sections.

One 2 x 4 x 18' costs = RD$ 480.00
One truss would need 5 pieces of wood 2 x 4 x 18' to construct =
RD$ 2,400.00

20 trusses for 24 " centers =
RD$ 48,000.00 = US$ 1,500.00

On top of these trusses you can put sheets of plywood followed by tarpaper and shingles or you can apply corrugated sheets of metal.

Sheet of plywood 4' x 8' x 1/2" = RD$ 950.00
You would need 54 sheets of plywood to cover your roof = RD$ 51,300.00 = US$ 1,603.00
I have no idea on the price of tarpaper or shingles.

If you cover your roof with corrugated metal you would need 57 sheets of metal.
The best sheets of metal cost RD$ 290.00
57 sheets would cost RD$ 16,530.00 = US$ 517.00

So there you have a rough cost of the material for a roof;

Concrete = RD$ 25,155.00 = US$ 786.00
Trusses with plywood without tarpaper and shingles = RD$ 99,300.00 = US$ 3,103.00
Trusses with metal = RD$ 64,530.00 = US$ 2,026.00

With the other material you are talking a total cost of material of RD$ 54,274.00 to RD$ 128,419.00 = US$ 1,696.00 to US$ 4,013.00.

Remember these are rough estimates only !!!!!!!!!

Rick
 

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More on building a house in the DR.

After thinking about it a couple of things came to mind that I thought I should mention.

1. It is my firm belief and opinion that you should construct a roof of cement. The reasons for this is in the final analysis it is cheaper, stronger and allows you to add a very important item that I failed to mention earlier. Because of the lack of running water and the availability of water I highly recommend that you build a 500 or 600 gallon water tank on the roof or purchase a plastic tank to put there. With a small pump from the water source you can fill your water tank and insure that you always have running water in the house. The cement roof allows the support needed to bear the weight of this storage of water tank

2. In the construction of a cement roof it must be noted that you should vibrate the concrete and cure it. These are two subjects that the average Dominican has no knowledge on and which can be proven by almost all concrete construction in this country. The reason for vibrating concrete is very important in that it removes the entrained air and water which allows the concrete to consolidate. Without vibration the concrete forms rock pockets which means a poor pour which can relate to water seeping through on those rainy days or the collapse of sections of your roof. You can NEVER vibrate the concrete too much but you can always vibrate it too little. As there are no tool rental shops here in the DR, to my knowledge, then I don't know where you can acquire a vibrator. (Little 6 volt vibrators won't work) Some sort of flat surface on a stick and hand pounded would be better than nothing. A section of re-bar inserted numerous times in the concrete is better then nothing. If you can vibrate the concrete till such a time as the trapped water and air stop being spit out of the area where the concrete touches the form then you have vibrated enough. The second important step is the curing of the concrete. The best way to accomplish this here in the conditions in the DR is to pour the concrete in the afternoon or early evening and after vibrating and leveling apply a black plastic sheet over the concrete and leave it there for a week. This will stop a quick evaporation of the water from the surface and lower the possibility of concrete acne from forming.

3. Electrical layout in the house. What I did was take an electrical wall socket box and traced its outline on a number of blocks. I then used my skill saw with a carbon disc and cut these holes in the block with the help of a fine chisel. With these blocks with a square hole in them I gave them to the mason when he was laying the second course above floor level at those points that I wanted a wall plug. I then inserted a 1/2 inch cheap, there are 2 grades sold here, pvc pipe in the block and into the electrical box. Each block above this must be fitted on this pipe and lowered onto the next course.Upon completion you have the means to run your electrical wires through this pvc pipe to your boxes and the construction is neat. You use this same procedure for your wall switches. Many times I have seen Dominicans assemble their walls then come with a chisel and hammer to break out an area to insert the wires then patch it up with cement.

Can't think of anything else at present.

Rick