View Poll Results: The spike in crime is due to....

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  • Increasing number of ex-felons who are relapsing.

    8 14.04%
  • Increasing illegal drug trade.

    8 14.04%
  • The police not combating this problem as it should or could.

    20 35.09%
  • Government officials not caring.

    4 7.02%
  • Lack of opportunity for upward mobility.

    8 14.04%
  • The increasing gap between the haves and tourists vs the have nots.

    9 15.79%
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Thread: Tenga Mucho Cuidado (Part II)...

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    Default Tenga Mucho Cuidado (Part II)...

    We all know that each of the entities listed on this poll share some responsibility (some more than others) in the spike of crime in the country.

    Please cast your vote as to whom has the biggest responsibility, according to what you have seen, read, or heard.

    To give everyone a "heads up" as some people like to say, I will post a third part regarding possible solutions to this problem.

    If some of you have an interest in knowing whether your opinion of a solution to this problem is widely accepted, PM me with your suggestion and I will try to implement the top 5 best suggestions in the poll.

    BTW, for those of you "down playing" the polls, keep in mind that these poll are not different from thread discussions. The difference between the polls and the threads is that in a normal thread a person would have to read each post in order to get a feel of the opinions while on the poll it's easily identifiable through the bar graph and percentages on display.

    As is the case on a typical thread, if you don't like what you see, click away to another part of this web site. DR1 is a big place on the net with little restrictions of who goes where and who reads what.

    -NALs
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    I strongly believe that one great reason why crime has risen is the deporting of dominicans to the DR from the states once they come out of prison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M.A.R.
    I strongly believe that one great reason why crime has risen is the deporting of dominicans to the DR from the states once they come out of prison.
    I guess that would fall under the first option.

    -NALs

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    Quote Originally Posted by NALs
    I guess that would fall under the first option.

    -NALs
    yes I know but I thought u should have specified which felons, there is a big difference, felons from the DR and those coming from abroad, the ones coming from abroad have a total confidence when comitting crimes now that they have gone abroad and experience the states criminal system, they think big now.

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    i wonder what you mean by:

    The increasing gap between the haves and tourists vs the have nots.

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    i dont know much about the DR, but usually crime rates increase with increased unemployment.. amongst other reasons.

    but the ones to blame for crime are not only the criminals, but society itself!
    i can only imagine the hardship caused when a poor citizen (of any country not just the DR) watches television and sees them 'rich' foreigners driving their fancy cars and swimming in their backyard swimming pools.

    with an avarage salary of, lets say, $200 per month (which is sometimes more than the average in many places worldwide) that citizen knows very well theres no way to acheive economic wealth, so he looks for shortcuts...

    and seriously... we cannot blame him!

    white collar crimes or violent crimes.. either way, statistics prove that repeated criminals eventually end up in jail. unfortunately, the justice system fails often because of shortage of funds and/or the criminals inability to properly defend himself.

    the philosopny of first-time encarceration should stem from rehabilitation.... not punishment! unless, of course, the crime is extremely severe!

    violent crimes, without a question, should carry severe penalties but at the same time offer rehabilitation. simply locking one up and throwing away the key only builds anger, frustration, and ultimately revenge.

    when examining crime, we must not forget to examine the nature of the crime, the state of mind of the criminal, and the common denominator shared by most criminals... poverty!

    the dominican republic ranks #4 in the world for most natural resources unused... i guess the govt is to blame there.. if used wisely, DR's natural resources can increaes revenue drastically!

    a communist/socialist goverment isnt such a bad idea in my opinion. makes us all equal.. but i wont go into depth as im sure it'll only start controversy.

    anyhow, i feel very sad for those people who cannot afford a vcr, or a vacation abroad... seriously thats ****ed up! i donate my old clothes/shoes regulary! and any household items that we no longer used are given away to poor families. in fact, we travel to poor cities nearby and distribute the stuff along with canned foods.. especially before the major holidays. thats all my woman and i can do.. if there was more we can do we would.

    god bless!
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    I do know a bit about the DR, having lived here for a few years, and I, for one, wouldn't put the blame on poor Dominicans watching TV and seeing things they don't have, but would want.

    The only programs the majority of poor dominicans watch are either novellas or cartoons. Think I'm kidding? The only things missing for total control of the poor dominicans is the lottery and a few cold beers, which are the 2 ways to tax the heck out of the poor and ignorant to keep them down.

    I believe crime is much more rampant among ignorant young people in ANY country who now believe that the only way they will ever "get rich" is by taking advantage of any opportunity to steal what they perceive to be a 'fortune', or to win the lottery, rather than studying hard, working hard and saving some of what they receive over a long period of time to build their own fortune.

    This has been a generational change in thinking, because most dominicans in the past were taught to not steal, because if they did, Trujillo's bad guys would disappear them. I truly believe now that most poor dominicans are taught that whatever they can grab, is because they need it worse than the owner/victim does, and that is why they were presented the opportunity to try and take it.

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    GRINGO CARLOS...

    good point about the education.
    and once again, i dont know much about the DR, but perhaps a first step is instill the importance of education. a crucial step in a child's developing stage.

    the problem i imagine is that uneducated parents do not take the time to instill such philosophy in the child's mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M.A.R.
    yes I know but I thought u should have specified which felons, there is a big difference, felons from the DR and those coming from abroad, the ones coming from abroad have a total confidence when comitting crimes now that they have gone abroad and experience the states criminal system, they think big now.
    Yes, that's true, but a felon is a felon.

    While the perception that a felon in the DR is different and less violent from a felon being deported, the fact of the matter still remains that both are felons and a good number might be relapsing.

    In addition to this, let's assume that the felons being deported are more violent than those of the island (although I don't believe this, but let's just assume this for a moment). The deported felon relapses and commits a gruesome crime, guess what? The local island ex-felon will read/hear/or maybe even see the incident and "monkey see monkey do".

    Before long, you have local ex-felons commiting crimes that were more typical of deported felons, all learning from what they read in the news, what they hear, and/or what they see, regardless if they personally know a deported ex-felon or not.

    Thus, all ex-felons who relapse are just as dangerous and anti-social as those who are deported and relapse. However, not all ex-felons are the same, because some don't relapse and some are actually changed people ready to live their lives in a law abidding way.

    -NALs

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    Quote Originally Posted by boogieman
    i dont know much about the DR, but usually crime rates increase with increased unemployment.. amongst other reasons.

    but the ones to blame for crime are not only the criminals, but society itself!
    i can only imagine the hardship caused when a poor citizen (of any country not just the DR) watches television and sees them 'rich' foreigners driving their fancy cars and swimming in their backyard swimming pools.

    with an avarage salary of, lets say, $200 per month (which is sometimes more than the average in many places worldwide) that citizen knows very well theres no way to acheive economic wealth, so he looks for shortcuts...

    and seriously... we cannot blame him!

    white collar crimes or violent crimes.. either way, statistics prove that repeated criminals eventually end up in jail. unfortunately, the justice system fails often because of shortage of funds and/or the criminals inability to properly defend himself.

    the philosopny of first-time encarceration should stem from rehabilitation.... not punishment! unless, of course, the crime is extremely severe!

    violent crimes, without a question, should carry severe penalties but at the same time offer rehabilitation. simply locking one up and throwing away the key only builds anger, frustration, and ultimately revenge.

    when examining crime, we must not forget to examine the nature of the crime, the state of mind of the criminal, and the common denominator shared by most criminals... poverty!

    the dominican republic ranks #4 in the world for most natural resources unused... i guess the govt is to blame there.. if used wisely, DR's natural resources can increaes revenue drastically!

    a communist/socialist goverment isnt such a bad idea in my opinion. makes us all equal.. but i wont go into depth as im sure it'll only start controversy.

    anyhow, i feel very sad for those people who cannot afford a vcr, or a vacation abroad... seriously thats ****ed up! i donate my old clothes/shoes regulary! and any household items that we no longer used are given away to poor families. in fact, we travel to poor cities nearby and distribute the stuff along with canned foods.. especially before the major holidays. thats all my woman and i can do.. if there was more we can do we would.

    god bless!
    I agree with your points, I guess we have to go back to that thread about dominicans who go back to the island showing off their riches. Don't they feel bad that most of the people there look at them and they wish they have a nice tshirt to wear on sundays, at least??? That's the reason why I don't wear fancy stuff when I go there, no jewerly either, and I give away most of the stuff I bring. Material things are nothing to me. Sometimes I'm surprised when I go back like every 2 years and I see the little kids still wearing what I had given them and that's when I realize how difficult it is. The men make like $10 a day to work in the fields, yes $10 a day, how can you not turn to crime out of frustration.

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