"Posing" After Hitting A Home Run!

miguel

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I am so glad that I was not the one pitching to Manny Ramirez on Wednesday after his "professional" display after hitting a homer on Tuesday!.

After watching him posing, staring at the pitcher and showing-off after hitting a homer on Tuesday, all I was thinking was: "I hope that he poses tomorrow against Randy Johnson and for Johnson to drill his axx".

This is one of the reason why I dislike that guy. I don't care if he hits 200 homers or get to have 300 RBI's in one season. The guy just plays for HIM!.

I guess that someone spoke to him or he knew that Johnson would not hesitate to hit him with the ball because he was a "model citizen", even after hitting 2 homers. When I saw that his first homer was going out, I was praying for him to stare at Johnson and pose.

I just think that it's so un-professional. Big time.

I think that it has been happening for too long already and someone should start penalizing whomever does it.

Can you imagine how well a charity will do if all poser's fines would go to that specific charity?. Oh my!!.

Ps: Spare me the "oh, you feel like that because he plays for Boston". Not at all, I would feel the same way if ANY member of the Yankees were to do such an stupid act!.
 
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Si te molesta tanto, apaga la tele ! ;)

translation for Miguel

If you bothers you so much, then turn of the TV !
 
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miguel

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Say what?

ElvisNYC said:
Si te molesta tanto, apaga la tele ! ;)
What?. English por please.

I guess that you are a "true" baseball fan.

ANYBODY who is a TRUE baseball fan would be sick to their stomachs after such display.

Care to come to my home and turn the tv off for me?.
 

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miguel said:
What?. English por please.

I guess that you are a "true" baseball fan.

ANYBODY who is a TRUE baseball fan would be sick to their stomachs after such display.

Care to come to my home and turn the tv off for me?.

Are you disabled ?

Who cares what they do ? They are paid to play and entertain ! You must have a lot of available time to start complaining about something so insignifacant. Just my humble thought !
 

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Oh boy!

ElvisNYC said:
Are you disabled ?

Who cares what they do ? They are paid to play and entertain ! You must have a lot of available time to start complaining about something so insignifacant. Just my humble thought !
Pay to "entertain"?. I wonder who is the disabled one?. What's next, to dress in a Clown outfit so they can entaintain the crowd.

I care since I have to watch it and it's not professional.

I do have a lot of time just like you have a lot of time to post on my "complaining thread" . Also, just my humble thought!.

You don't like what you are reading, move on. Didn't "Elvis left the building"?. Lol.

Btw, the correct translation, just in case you want to fix it, is:

If it bothers you so much, turn the television off.
 

ElvisNYC

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:D :D :D

You're right - I'm out of the building and will move on ! But this complaining thread is funny and just wanted to comment on it - not bit.. ! ;)

Again, my most humble thought.. :)
 

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Hey guys, let's keep it cool. :)

Players posing happens in all of sports. For example, Michael Jordan's pose after hitting the game-winning shot in the 1997 NBA finals against Utah.

Or Italian soccer star, Vieri, telling the Korean fans to be quiet after scoring a goal in the 2002 World Cup round 16 match.

I respect all of your opinions on this topic. For me, I just laugh and enjoy players posing.

But I do not blame the pitcher for being upset if a hitter poses after hitting a homer.

Another example, last night, Jeter made an awesome play to end the game. He pumped his fist in the air and yelled out something. I do not mind him doing that. Because he ended the game and moved his team within only a half game of the Red Sox.
 

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Indeeeeeeeed!

Steve Pindar said:
Manny Ramirez is NOT who dominican children or children anywhere should be aspiring to be like. They should be looking up to players like Albert Pujols, Mariano Rivera and Bernie Williams - class acts both on and off the field.
You know something Steve, to me he is nothing more than a zero.

After witnessing/watching so many humbled Dominicans play the game, it's hard to swallow people like Manny or people who act like him.

Correct me if I am wrong but Dominicans players from yesteryears did not acted, as often, as this guy acts most of the time.

Players like Ricardo Carty, Mario Guerrero, Felipe Alou, Mateo Alou, Cesar Geronimo, Mario Soto, Nino Espinosa, Elias Sosa, Alfredo Griffin, Stanley Javier, Tony Fernandez and many others would be embarassed to act like this guy.

And the thing is that if you take away his baseball talent, the guys has nothing to offer. The guy was basically raised in NY and even went to Washington Heights High School yet he talks like a person who just moved to the US about a year ago. His English is limited and it seems that he has problems putting 2 thoughts/sentences together. No wonder he does not like to give interviews.

It's a shame since the guy is one of the great ones and a future Hall of Famer.
 
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I agree with Miguel. I'm a Red Sox fan but I don't care for such bush league displays.

I forget who the football player was but his father told him something like "If you get a touchdown act as if you've been in the end zone before."

Character counts.
 

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Potato_Salad said:
Players posing happens in all of sports. For example, Michael Jordan's pose after hitting the game-winning shot in the 1997 NBA finals against Utah.

Another example, last night, Jeter made an awesome play to end the game. He pumped his fist in the air and yelled out something. I do not mind him doing that. Because he ended the game and moved his team within only a half game of the Red Sox.
As you said in both of these points, they were at the end of the game. Manny's posing is during the game, where the opposition players are still and forced to watch him.

But, to be fair to Manny, many of the home run sluggers seem to take time standing at home plate watching their homers go out. Manny, just brings it up a notch.
 

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he has the right to do what he wants.. if he wants to.. he's the one that's going to get hit and is up to the pitcher to do something about it.. i guess manny is not intimidated by any pitcher.. now i know if he does that to pedro martinez he'll get hit in the head
 

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Manny being Manny

I'm no fan of showboating either. There are times where drama can lead a player to make a show of a homerun. It happens. It's a pretty hard thing to do - hit a bomb in a key situation.

I didn't see Manny's display the other night, but he's hit quite a few lately, and these rants are about one display no? He didn't showboat after the R. Johnson bomb - it landed early this morning in Nantucket - but I guess that was after his showboat AB. So apparently he got some message - but with him, how could anyone really be sure?

I've seen Manny hit some really big homeruns, and he showed very little emotion, until the hugs at home plate and whatnot. Other times he will stop and watch for no particular reason - again, Many is on another planet - everyone knows this.

I think most of the distraction to opposing teams and pitchers are with players that have a reputation of showing up a pitcher in these instances. If Ortiz hits a bomb (as in - no question it's a homer from the crack of the bat) he more often than not will flip the bat and admire it with a few slow steps to first. He's hit some of the most dramatic homeruns in the past few years, so alot of the "showboating" is either forgiven or considered "hey, the guy hit a bomb in a huge at-bat, he deserves to puff out his chest - he beat me (us)". His reputation is not of someone who plays the game the wrong way or tries to show anyone up. He even stuck up for A.J. Peirczynski the other day, that's a hell of a nice guy.

A. Soriano for instance got a lashing from every direction for his antics with homerun trots in the second inning of close games, he was a rookie. That is absolutely forbidden - most especially in pinstripes.

I understand your point Miguel, and I agree. But Manny might be someone who gets a little more slack than most. 1, because he's one of the best hitters of his generation, and 2, because he doesn't have a harmful thought in his empty head.

Try and show someone up? He doesn't even know what inning it is half the time.
 
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Cleef said:
I didn't see Manny's display the other night, but he's hit quite a few lately, and these rants are about one display no? He didn't showboat after the R. Johnson bomb - it landed early this morning in Nantucket - but I guess that was after his showboat AB. So apparently he got some message - but with him, how could anyone really be sure?

I've seen Many hit some really big homeruns, and he showed very little emotion, until the hugs at home plate and whatnot. Other times he will stop and watch for no particular reason - again, Many is on another planet - everyone knows this.

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I understand your point Miguel, and I agree. But Manny might be someone who gets a little more slack than most. 1, because he's one of the best hitters of his generation, and 2, because he doesn't have a harmful thought in his empty head.

Try and show someone up? He doesn't even know what inning it is half the time.

Too funny, Cleef.

I like to think I would have had a personal policy of never showboating after hitting a home run.

Moot point, however; my baseball career was over when I didn't make Little League. My career home runs = 0
(includes pickup games with cracked bats and coverless balls wrapped with hockey tape.)

I did get to home once on an at bat while playing for a Little League Minor League team, my town's Little League Triple A :) ; I hit a trickler to the short stop and he overthrew first base. One error later I scampered across home plate.

Had I grown up in Manoguayabo instead of Eastern Massachusetts I might have been in Cooperstown by now (or maybe la Victoria) ;)
 

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I see your point

Cleef said:
I didn't see Manny's display the other night, but he's hit quite a few lately, and these rants are about one display no? He didn't showboat after the R. Johnson bomb - it landed early this morning in Nantucket - but I guess that was after his showboat AB. So apparently he got some message - but with him, how could anyone really be sure?

I've seen Many hit some really big homeruns, and he showed very little emotion, until the hugs at home plate and whatnot. Other times he will stop and watch for no particular reason - again, Many is on another planet - everyone knows this.

I think most of the distraction to opposing teams and pitchers are with players that have a reputation of showing up a pitcher in these instances. If Ortiz hits a bomb (as in - no question it's a homer from the crack of the bat) he more often than not will flip the bat and admire it with a few slow steps to first. He's hit some of the most dramatic homeruns in the past few years, so alot of the "showboating" is either forgiven or considered "hey, the guy hit a bomb in a huge at-bat, he deserves to puff out his chest - he beat me (us)". His reputation is not of someone who plays the game the wrong way or tries to show anyone up. He even stuck up for A.J. Peirczynski the other day, that's a hell of a nice guy.

A. Soriano for instance got a lashing from every direction for his antics with homerun trots in the second inning of close games, he was a rookie. That is absolutely forbidden - most especially in pinstripes.

I understand your point Miguel, and I agree. But Manny might be someone who gets a little more slack than most. 1, because he's one of the best hitters of his generation, and 2, because he doesn't have a harmful thought in his empty head.

Try and show someone up? He doesn't even know what inning it is half the time.
Manny is being Manny is an excuse that I even used, every now and then. The thing is that he is very stupid only when it's convenient for him.

It was reported in the Post that he stared at the pitcher and "posed" because the same pitcher struck him out a few days earlier.

It was reported that he just wanted to "start something" for the sake of the rivalty.

It was reported that be becomes "mucho macho" when he is playing in Boston.

It was reported that only a person who seems to have a "pea brain" can do as he does and people still make excuses for him.

If I were him, I would be so embarassed if I knew that people do not care of my "posings" because they thought that I was a lost case and that I am so stupid that I don't know any better.

Cleef, I can bet my life that he did not do it to Johnson because he knew that on his next at bat, Johnson would not had hesitated to hit him.

Do you guys think that he would do it to Clemens after what Clemens try to do to him?. Trust me, he is so stupid that he would do it. And I am sure that Clemens would had taken care of him too.

Let's see what happens when Boston cames to NY. I really would love to see him "posing" and getting away with it. Yankees fans will be there reminding him of what he did and I hope that there's a Yankees pitching willing to send him a message.

The days of "players playing the game for fun", in many cases, are long gone.

When I was managing or coaching a team, I ALWAYS told my players that WHOMEVER I saw "posing" after a homer, that he was going to be out of the game and not play the following game. I did not cared if he was the best player on the team, he "posed", he is coming out as soon as he touched home plate. Hard to get used to the rule but eventually, they ALL got the message.
 
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I agree with Miguel. I'm a Red Sox fan but I don't care for such bush league displays.

I forget who the football player was but his father told him something like "If you get a touchdown act as if you've been in the end zone before."

Character counts.

The football player was Hall of Famer Barry Sanders. Played the game with class, left on his own terms with class, has been living a very quiet retirement, which apparently irks the national media.

Re: Manny Ramirez. The following game against the Yankees. As is customary with them being a classy outfit, there was no retaliation against any Red Sox player. Randy Johnson served up a bomb to Manny Ramirez, who immediately looked down and headed around the bases quicker than normal. Later that game, he hit another bomb out of Fenway. Same reaction, didn't even look up. Someone either said something to Manny and he got it, or he realized on his own (maybe SportsCenter) what he did the previous night was too "extra", even for "Manny being Manny."
 

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toneloc24 said:
The football player was Hall of Famer Barry Sanders. Played the game with class, left on his own terms with class, has been living a very quiet retirement, which apparently irks the national media.

Re: Manny Ramirez. The following game against the Yankees. As is customary with them being a classy outfit, there was no retaliation against any Red Sox player. Randy Johnson served up a bomb to Manny Ramirez, who immediately looked down and headed around the bases quicker than normal. Later that game, he hit another bomb out of Fenway. Same reaction, didn't even look up. Someone either said something to Manny and he got it, or he realized on his own (maybe SportsCenter) what he did the previous night was too "extra", even for "Manny being Manny."
Actually, Sanders got that from Jim Brown, who coined the term "act like you've been there before".

As per Manny, you're right, but it's probably a mix of both. If another player (perhaps Trot Nixon) pulled out those staring shenanigans, it would not be beyond the MFY's to plunk someone. In this rivalry for instance, I just don't think there is any room for the manufacturing of baloney between the two. There is no good reason to light a fire, give others more ammunition, to show each other up, etc. I think the relationship is built on competitive respect, so in this instance I don't think a lot needed to be said to anyone.

I don't watch ESPN, but I'm sure they had a field day with it.

Please bear in mind while watching that channel that these people are on TV for a reason (they look and sound good). If they actually knew anything of any value, they wouldn't have gotten fired from their day jobs.

Don't ever refer to them as authorities in any sort of debate; that's a losing arguement.
 

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What?

Cleef said:
I don't watch ESPN, but I'm sure they had a field day with it.

Please bear in mind while watching that channel that these people are on TV for a reason (they look and sound good). If they actually knew anything of any value, they wouldn't have gotten fired from their day jobs.

Don't ever refer to them as authorities in any sort of debate; that's a losing arguement.
Que?.

Well, since "Baseball Tonight" is a program from "that channel", are you still willing to say that the "BT" commentators do not know anything of value or are you just referring to the "Sportscenter" segment?.

Just an honest question.
 

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miguel said:
Que?.

Well, since "Baseball Tonight" is a program from "that channel", are you still willing to say that the "BT" commentators do not know anything of value or are you just referring to the "Sportscenter" segment?.

Just an honest question.
Both honestly, but as for BT they have access that very few have so that's valuable.

But, their mission isn't to be informative, it's to be entertaining. That can be bombastic (John Kruk), suave, but hardly literate (Harold Reynolds) and authoritative (Steve Phillips was a GM in NY) but thoroughly incompetent.

It's a hugely popular show, and they go to great lengths to make it appeal to the greater masses. My distaste is with how they dumb it down to a soap opera level with drama and tension (like repeatedly showing the nights big highlights in pre-ambles for the first 22 minutes of the show before giving us any news) and forgetting that the game itself is great just as it is. They pump up brawls, conflicts and the resolutions. I really just want some video and a box score, not Harold Reynolds futily trying to put together a complete sentence - or thought.

I will no doubt admit that my viewpoints are in the minority, but I despise their format and what lengths they go to make stories out of thin (hot) air. I've had enough Peter Gammons to last me a lifetime; he went to "pay-for" services on ESPN, so I'm no longer even tempted to read his special interest stories.

If you stopped to time the amount of information vs. commercialism you get in a typical ESPN broadcast you'd be amazed.
 

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Cleef said:
But, their mission isn't to be informative, it's to be entertaining. That can be bombastic (John Kruk), suave, but hardly literate (Harold Reynolds) and authoritative (Steve Phillips was a GM in NY) but thoroughly incompetent.
I agree with you that BT is entertaining (how's that for word twisting:)), but I disagree with your assessment of Harold Reynolds. I remember a couple of segments (not sure it was BT) where he got out of his seat and they set up a little Baseball Diamond where he proceeded to explain some intricacy of the game. I remember being impressed by the insight he gave.