For the Hugo Chavez Admirers

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Mirador

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One shoe hits the ground:

BBC NEWS | Americas | Chavez to shut down opposition TV

No doubt more will follow.

Chavez is not shutting down any opposition TV, as the BBC reporter suggests. The Venezuelan state, like most countries around the world, issues concessions for the operation of radio frequencies. The current law (published in the Oficial Gazette, on May 27th, 1987, under number 33.726) established before Hugo Chavez came to power, stipulates concession limits to 20 years. The concession issued to the company 1BC is up for renewal, and considering that the current Venezuelan communication authorities determined that the company broke the communications law, the government has taken the legal and constitutional prerogrative not to renew the concession.

By the way, President Hugo Chavez has both his shoes firmly planted on the ground.
 

cobraboy

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and considering that the current Venezuelan communication authorities determined that the company broke the communications law, the government has taken the legal and constitutional prerogrative not to renew the concession.
The ~current~ communications authorities...That's a good one. :cheeky:

Thanks for the smile.:cheeky:

Nothing like a free press, huh?

:cheeky:
 

qgrande

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Chavez is not shutting down any opposition TV, as the BBC reporter suggests. The Venezuelan state, like most countries around the world, issues concessions for the operation of radio frequencies. The current law (published in the Oficial Gazette, on May 27th, 1987, under number 33.726) established before Hugo Chavez came to power, stipulates concession limits to 20 years. The concession issued to the company 1BC is up for renewal, and considering that the current Venezuelan communication authorities determined that the company broke the communications law, the government has taken the legal and constitutional prerogrative not to renew the concession.
Oh please, if Ch?vez shuts RCTV down it's because he does not like it's support for the opposition. Would he shut down the state-owned channel if it broke communications law? of course not. RCTV supported the 2003 national strike against, and Ch?vez sees this as an opportunity to warn the opposition.
I have to agree with Cobraboy this is Ch?vez more and more showing his authoritarian side.

BTW, this topic isn't really DR-related, is it?
 

Mirador

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...Nothing like a free press, huh? QUOTE]


Do you really believe there's free press in the DR? free, for whom? for what? to transmit inappropriate material?, outright lies? false news to undermine the economy?. There's no free press, the press is big business with an agenda...
 

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...Nothing like a free press, huh? QUOTE]


Do you really believe there's free press in the DR? free, for whom? for what? to transmit inappropriate material?, outright lies? false news to undermine the economy?. There's no free press, the press is big business with an agenda...
I don't see Fernandez shutting the opposition press down like Komrade Chavez is doing. Pretty soon there will only be friendly press, like in Cuba.

LOL..."current communications authorities"...you just can't make that stuff up.:cheeky:
 

Mirador

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RCTV supported the 2003 national strike against, and Ch?vez sees this as an opportunity to warn the opposition. ...

It was not a general strike, it was an illegal shut down of Venezuela's state run oil industry PDVSA, promoted by managers in collusion with foreign interests. The shut down involved the sabotage of petroleum industry infrastructure. Estimates of the loss to Venezuela's PDVSA were estimated in over US$13.5 billion.
 

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cobra, maybe you could get the mods to change the thread title to the singular "For the Hugo Ch?vez Admirer" - that is if they allow it to continue. :D
 

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It was not a general strike, it was an illegal shut down of Venezuela's state run oil industry PDVSA, promoted by managers in collusion with foreign interests. The shut down involved the sabotage of petroleum industry infrastructure. Estimates of the loss to Venezuela's PDVSA were estimated in over US$13.5 billion.
Illegal, sure, but in whose eyes? Hey, I agree millitary coups and violent demonstrations aren't the way. But Ch?vez won the elections and he should be content with that instead of shutting down media he doesn't like.
 

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Illegal, sure, but in whose eyes? Hey, I agree millitary coups and violent demonstrations aren't the way. But Ch?vez won the elections and he should be content with that instead of shutting down media he doesn't like.

"Illegal, sure, in whose eyes?" It is not a question of opinion, but a matter of law, the law of the land of Venezuela.

"Hey, I agree millitary coups and violent demonstrations aren't the way."

Actually, the promotion of military coups, sabotage and violent civil strife has been the editorial line of the media (RCTV) whose radio frequency concession is not being renewed.

RCTV belongs to Marcel Granier, a gangster of hook and crook, the likes of our own Ram?n Baez Figueroa.
 

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Illegal, sure, but in whose eyes? Hey, I agree millitary coups and violent demonstrations aren't the way. But Ch?vez won the elections and he should be content with that instead of shutting down media he doesn't like.

So, it seems that you are aware that actions you consider to be "not the right way" occurred in opposition to the already legally elected, Hugo Chavez. Perhaps then you also know that some of the funding for this "not the right way" activity came from the United States Government. This has been admitted - it's not in dispute. Perhaps you are also aware that Chavez has been using the legal process to challenge the ownership title of a British owned ranch in Venezuela which is so large that -compared to the USA on a percent of total land basis - it would be equal to the entire state of California! Has the BBC been completely objective in it's reporting of this dispute? Not on the basis of what I have heard and read.

I have heard every kind of accusation against Pres. Chavez in the U.S. and other media (Thos. Friedman of the NY Times included Venezuela in a list of rogue states right alongside N. Korea and Iran!), but I have encountered very little if any credible evidence of any wrongdoing beyond what passes for normal politics in the nations whose press is doing the accusing. Until I do, I'm reserving judgement about Mr. Chavez, and I commend Mirador for taking a stand here for facts instead of innuendo and character assassination.

Menos bulto y mas claridad!
 

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I love how some of you guys defend and butt-snorkel a guy who acts like a tyrant.

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
 

cobraboy

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(Thos. Friedman of the NY Times included Venezuela in a list of rogue states right alongside N. Korea and Iran!)
Dude, Komrade Chavez has been swapping spit with President Bob* of Iran...



*My short name for President Dr. Mahmoud Ahmadi Nejad, he who was a personally responsible party for the Iranian Hostage Crisis under Jimmah Cartah.
 

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You mean to tell me that since the coup d'etat of April12,2002 the tv station Radio Caracas Television (who supported the coup) was allowed to operate freely! I wonder what western government would have done if something similarly happened in their country. My prediction is some kind of deal will be worked out between the government and the tv station.

That said I support a free press whose goal is to document reality.
 
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Perhaps you are also aware that Chavez has been using the legal process to challenge the ownership title of a British owned ranch in Venezuela which is so large that -compared to the USA on a percent of total land basis - it would be equal to the entire state of California!
How nice! Confiscating property like a good Marxist/Socialist.

Viva la Revolucion!
 

A.Hidalgo

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How nice! Confiscating property like a good Marxist/Socialist.

Viva la Revolucion!

Hey Cobra your Marxist/Socialist boggie man thing does not work anymore. The cold war anachronism long gone. Btw Venezuela had one of the more robust economic growths in Latin America. Chavez may have a big mouth but the economy is basically capitalist.
 

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We've better be cautious with this Castro clone!

Personally, I don't like the bastard, but you'd have to give him a "thumbs up" for the way he has handle the very corrupt bourgeois elite in VZ gov.
His modus operandi leaves a lot to be desired. This a man that does not know the meaning of tact or political correctness. What he does know is the number of poor people in need of the most basic stuff. And he hasn't forgotten them.
I can only wish we, in DR, had someone with the "cojones" to do away with all the parasitic blood suckers in our own gov./military, and help out the poor to the extent he has.
The man obviously has communist tendencies and wants to right wrongs by any means necessary and that's what's so scary. The more power he garners, the more influence he'll have on other Latin nations.
We in DR need to be extremely careful as to how we deal with this guy.
His oil trump-card can be used at any time to control/smother/stifle our way of life.
We'll need to find alternate sources of oil, or produce our own needs in the form of renewable energies, or we'll be at his mercy (if we're not already), for the duration of his tyranny.
Shutting down the opposition's voice, legally or not, is one of the early signs of more trouble to come for us in DR and the rest of the Americas!
 
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