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Chip00

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As a gringo living here and seeing how things are and learning from the forums here and also from the locals I would like to get people's opinions on creating a new political party. Of course one has to be a citizen of this fair country to be elected but that's in the works. If I don't run for any type of office at least I would like to be involved in the formation and platform stance.

The platform would be based on fiscal responsibility and change, creation of enforcing branches to support laws, transparent judicial and police branches, investment in infrastructure and it's maintenance and of course education. The appeal would be to the common people but don't worry - socialism is not an option.

I realize the challenges are going to be as follows:

1. Funding - poor people generally can barely afford to put food on the table.

2. Advertising - how do you get the word out if you can't buy air time?

3. Engage the disaffected common person - How does one make it "real" enough to them in order that they see the benefits and therefore give you their vote.

4. The current "establishment" - will one have to worry about getting "one in the back of the head" because one doesn't want to include the "powers that be".

5. Finding honest people - will one be able to find enough people who are willing to have the vision that to be part of change? Unlike the currrent system this party wouldn't be about what they will get out of it but what they can contribute.

Sincere Thanks,

Chip
 

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Without sounding like a cynical bugger, the current political parties know that they can't win an election without offering botella, but also that they can't govern to their maximum efficiency if they do offer botella. Hence the current political parties can only win if they commit to inefficient government. It would be very difficult to break this cycle, but good luck to you.
 

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5. Finding honest people - will one be able to find enough people who are willing to have the vision that to be part of change? Unlike the currrent system this party wouldn't be about what they will get out of it but what they can contribute.
Supposing you could actually get a truly honest person into power, once he/she is in there, everybody around him would be telling him what a fool he is if he's not grabbing a slice of the pie, while he's in office.
They know they won't be there forever, and even if they weren't corrupt going in, they are, on the way out.
The difference here is that it's more out in the open, while politicians in the industrialized nations, are a lot sneakier about it.
Power corrupts!

If you could find a billionaire, who had no desires for acquiring anything more in life, had a good soul, yet had a strong stance against criminality, who was willing to run a country as a philanthropist, and didn't care that all the bad guys would be trying to assassinate him, then you might have a quick solution, otherwise, nature will take it's course, and we will slowly evolve towards something similar to other major world governments.
 

Celt202

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4. The current "establishment" - will one have to worry about getting "one in the back of the head" because one doesn't want to include the "powers that be".

Yes

They know they won't be there forever, and even if they weren't corrupt going in, they are, on the way out.

There's a running joke about a prominent politician. It's said he arrived in office in a Volkswagen and left in a limousine.
 

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One civil servant (definately not a political appointee) once told me of her political appointee colleagues "The attitude here is that if you leave office after four years without a yipeta, people will think you are a pendejo, and idiot, and will wonder what on earth you have been doing with your time."
 

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Supposing you could actually get a truly honest person into power, once he/she is in there, everybody around him would be telling him what a fool he is if he's not grabbing a slice of the pie, while he's in office.
They know they won't be there forever, and even if they weren't corrupt going in, they are, on the way out.
The difference here is that it's more out in the open, while politicians in the industrialized nations, are a lot sneakier about it.
Power corrupts!

If you could find a billionaire, who had no desires for acquiring anything more in life, had a good soul, yet had a strong stance against criminality, who was willing to run a country as a philanthropist, and didn't care that all the bad guys would be trying to assassinate him, then you might have a quick solution, otherwise, nature will take it's course, and we will slowly evolve towards something similar to other major world governments.

All those American military invasions in the DR.....this is what its come to. Sad.:disappoin
 

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Many years ago, while holidaying by the side of the river Nizao, I caught the most preposterous sight about a hundred meters away in the middle of the river. There was this man in his underwear, wearing a coat and tie, with a drink in his hand, and prancing among the rocks, singing an old tango song (I believe it was one of Gardel?s). I called him over, and he obliged. He had company, including a woman who I later learned was his daughter. He was obviously drunk. We befriended each other, and months later he offered me the Vice presidency of his new political party. He was extremely well-connected, and had managed to fullfill all the legal requirements for the registration of his party with the electoral authorities (JCE). However, to my surprise at that time, his party?s application was thrown out. My friend huffed and puffed, and threatened legal action, to no avail. It so happens that the decisions of the JCE are supreme in electoral matters, and the authorities (rulling party appointees) were not interested in widening the political running field?.
 

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Many years ago, while holidaying by the side of the river Nizao, I caught the most preposterous sight about a hundred meters away in the middle of the river. There was this man in his underwear, wearing a coat and tie, with a drink in his hand, and prancing among the rocks, singing an old tango song (I believe it was one of Gardel?s). I called him over, and he obliged. He had company, including a woman who I later learned was his daughter. He was obviously drunk. We befriended each other, and months later he offered me the Vice presidency of his new political party. He was extremely well-connected, and had managed to fullfill all the legal requirements for the registration of his party with the electoral authorities (JCE). However, to my surprise at that time, his party?s application was thrown out. My friend huffed and puffed, and threatened legal action, to no avail. It so happens that the decisions of the JCE are supreme in electoral matters, and the authorities (rulling party appointees) were not interested in widening the political running field?.
And the situation looks bleaker and bleaker.
 

cobraboy

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A guaranteed winning Political Party:

PNRC: Partido Nacional del Ron y de la Cerveza

One simple campaign slogan: "Vote por m?, y el ron y la cerveza est? libres"

Hell, I'll be skimming workers from the ~other~ parties.

:cheeky:

Who said I don't understand politics? Who wants to be Vice Poobah? Must be able to see over the steering wheel of a shiny new Montero.
 
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Chip00

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Many years ago, while holidaying by the side of the river Nizao, I caught the most preposterous sight about a hundred meters away in the middle of the river. There was this man in his underwear, wearing a coat and tie, with a drink in his hand, and prancing among the rocks, singing an old tango song (I believe it was one of Gardel?s). I called him over, and he obliged. He had company, including a woman who I later learned was his daughter. He was obviously drunk. We befriended each other, and months later he offered me the Vice presidency of his new political party. He was extremely well-connected, and had managed to fullfill all the legal requirements for the registration of his party with the electoral authorities (JCE). However, to my surprise at that time, his party?s application was thrown out. My friend huffed and puffed, and threatened legal action, to no avail. It so happens that the decisions of the JCE are supreme in electoral matters, and the authorities (rulling party appointees) were not interested in widening the political running field?.


Ok if one probably can't create a new party maybe one could team up with one of the existing parties. By the way, does anybody know how many registered parties there are?
 

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Chip, if you find a party here that is not corrupt...let us know. It is all about money and they would all do the same thing. It is the way it is here and we aren't going to change it. So don't let it concern you. Just focus on the positives as I know you are very good at doing.
 

Rick Snyder

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For those that are interested the main page for the JCE is here. The US can be blamed for the formation of the JCE which was established in 1923 along with its laws. In its 84 years of existence it has never functioned as it was meant to. It is because of its power and its failure to follow the rules that have been established that they would never warrant a new political party to be established that took power away from the status quo.

Rick
 
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Chip00

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I just sent the following message to the JCE - let's see if they get back with me!

A Quien a que le interesa:

Sera possible saber cuales son los corrientes partidos registrados? Tambien, quiero averiguar sobre el processo del formar un partido nuevo. Gracias por su ayuda.

Muy Attentamente,
C. Bolchoz

If no response in a couple of days I will be giving them a call.
 

Rick Snyder

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Chip here is a partial listing of the political parties within the DR. The last I remember reading there are about 103 different political parties but needless to say the majority of them serve no purpose and most of the political parties exist only as an effort to acquire a piece of the monetary pie that is given out by the government for their functioning.

Rick
 

cobraboy

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needless to say the majority of them serve no purpose and most of the political parties exist only as an effort to acquire a piece of the monetary pie that is given out by the government for their functioning.

Rick
PNRC just wants ron and cerveza.

Well, maybe some Costillas de Rocky...
 

Rick Snyder

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To give you an example of how it is or was. The following is a listing of the major political parties in 1962 and 1982;

1962;
PLD Partido de la Liberaci?n Dominicana
PRSC Alianza del Partido Reformista Social Cristiano (PRSC, PQD, PDI, PPD MCN y PRN)
PRD Alianza del Partido Revolucionario Dominicano (PRD, PPC, UD, y BIS)
PRI Partido Revolucionario Independiente
MIUCA Movimiento Independencia, Unidad y Cambio
MCE Movimiento por el Cambio Electoral del Distrito Nacional

1982;
PRD Partido Revolucionario Dominicano
PR Partido Reformista
ASD Alianza Social Dem?crata
UCN Uni?n C?vica Nacional
PAC Partido Acci?n Constitucional
PNVC Partido Nacional de Veteranos Civiles
UPA Uni?n Patri?tica
PQD Partido Quisqueyano Dem?crata
MIDA Movimiento de Integraci?n Democr?tica
PAN Partico Acci?n Nacional
PLD Partido de la Liberaci?n Dominicana
BS Bloque Socialista
PCD Partido Comunista Dominicano
MPS Movimiento por el Socialismo

Here is a list of how the voting turned out from 1848 to 1986.

Rick
 
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Parties

Rick

Do you have any way to get the current registered parties other that what I've done by making and inquiry?

Also, in the event that the JCE has a tight rein I guess the next step would be to contact the existing parties presidents and see what there about to see if there would be some type of compatibility.

Assuming that the party issue could be solved there are so many other things to think about - like funding. If one were to creat a webpage to start advertising to the Dominican expatriates in the States I think that might be possible. It would be ideal to find an affluent Dom. or two who would be interested in this new party as well. Any funding received could be immediately used for campaigning and one could put pictures and stories on the webpage not to mention when it gets mentioned in the press and interviews done on the radio or talkshows.

The goal wouldn't necessarily to be to take the country by storm but to create enough influence at first to have the people/government realize there is a new player in town and who knows what can happen from there.

I have an approach which I think will appeal to the common people that I've already discussed with a lot of Dominicans with very positive results. It has to do with fiscal responsibility. The fact is that there are many nations/provinces/cities that wouldn't be considered affluent and yet how can they manage to have and maintain an infrastructure that works? The Dominicans I talk to are dumfounded to learn that many politicians here that are of basically no account make more than their counterparts in some areas in the States.
 

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Rick

Do you have any way to get the current registered parties other that what I've done by making and inquiry?

Also, in the event that the JCE has a tight rein I guess the next step would be to contact the existing parties presidents and see what there about to see if there would be some type of compatibility.

Assuming that the party issue could be solved there are so many other things to think about - like funding. If one were to creat a webpage to start advertising to the Dominican expatriates in the States I think that might be possible. It would be ideal to find an affluent Dom. or two who would be interested in this new party as well. Any funding received could be immediately used for campaigning and one could put pictures and stories on the webpage not to mention when it gets mentioned in the press and interviews done on the radio or talkshows.

The goal wouldn't necessarily to be to take the country by storm but to create enough influence at first to have the people/government realize there is a new player in town and who knows what can happen from there.

I have an approach which I think will appeal to the common people that I've already discussed with a lot of Dominicans with very positive results. It has to do with fiscal responsibility. The fact is that there are many nations/provinces/cities that wouldn't be considered affluent and yet how can they manage to have and maintain an infrastructure that works? The Dominicans I talk to are dumfounded to learn that many politicians here that are of basically no account make more than their counterparts in some areas in the States.
I get the impression that the replies on this thread, did not reach your ears.