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I read a report saying that as soon as the commies are out of Cuba it'll become the Korea of the Caribbean...my question is - since the report kind of compares Cuba to the DR ( starting point for Cuba when Fidel(s) is out ), focusing on the DR's inability to grow and get itself real economic perspectives...the main stated advantage for Cuba is it's education system.
Pro & Cons for the DR vs Cuba ?
 
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Adrian Bye

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Cuba has EXCELLENT education compared to the DR. Many Cubans are still socialists and very supportive of Castro though so it may take a little while for capitalism to pick up.
 
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Cubans are used to the government making their decisions for them and have lost a work ethic. This is the biggest challenge for them when they get out of there. It will take a while for them to adjust, if and when it happens. My wife has taught many Cubans that supposedly had a university education math so they could get jobs here in Canada. Based on what she experienced the Cuban Education system is not all its cracked up to be. My sister-in-law is a high school teacher from Cuba so we know the reality a little better than the average tourist.
 
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bob saunders said:
Cubans are used to the government making their decisions for them and have lost a work ethic. This is the biggest challenge for them when they get out of there. It will take a while for them to adjust, if and when it happens. My wife has taught many Cubans that supposedly had a university education math so they could get jobs here in Canada. Based on what she experienced the Cuban Education system is not all its cracked up to be. My sister-in-law is a high school teacher from Cuba so we know the reality a little better than the average tourist.
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I couldn't agree more, yet one question begs to be asked - with all the restrictions cubans always "manage"...( i.e liitle restaurant at home, fixing the 50's Buicks to use as taxis etc ), yet my perception is that the dominicans are way too tranquilo when it comes to entrepreneurship...
 
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Cuban education doesn't compare to the US or Canada, etc. But it is excellent compared to the DR, I was very impressed by the educational level of people there, its far more advanced than the DR.
 
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korejdk said:
I couldn't agree more, yet one question begs to be asked - with all the restrictions cubans always "manage"...( i.e liitle restaurant at home, fixing the 50's Buicks to use as taxis etc ), yet my perception is that the dominicans are way too tranquilo when it comes to entrepreneurship...
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On the contrary, most of the bodega and restaurant owners of latin restaurants in Centrl Florida are Dominican and I believe they are a majority as well in NY.
 
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korejdk said:
I couldn't agree more, yet one question begs to be asked - with all the restrictions cubans always "manage"...( i.e liitle restaurant at home, fixing the 50's Buicks to use as taxis etc ), yet my perception is that the dominicans are way too tranquilo when it comes to entrepreneurship...
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very untrue!!! dominicans are extremely entreprenuerial. Here in NY, most private cab companies are owned by dominicans (gypsy cabs), latin restaurants, bodegas, many many supermarkets, auto shops, beauty salons, night clubs, boutique clothing stores, driving schools, income tax places, travel agencies, call centers, money transfer places, chimichurri trucks (pic in the bottom incase you're not sure what it is), and so much more.

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All they need to accompany this spirit is a solid education...that I agree with.
 
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I am not talking about the gringo dominicans...once they got here they got the message...the DR is the topic here
 
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How about this? How about we adjust the perspective slightly to, the DR AND Cuba. Are there areas of cooperation between the two that can facilitate a better transition for both countries, and if so, what areas do you think would profit most?
 
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On my extended visits to Cuba I found education and medicine to be more propaganda than reality, though admittedly better than the DR under its (more) corrupt administrations of the last 15 years.
Don Andr?s Brugal (RIP), who regularly visited family in Cuba, and who was treated by the Cuban State as an honored guest, told me some years back that "it took Cuba 40 years to get where it is, it will take at least 50 to climb back out.
Finally, look at East Germany, after nearly 20 years still responsible of ALL of the German unemployment (and welfare).
Difference this time? The Russian mafia will run the Tropicana, not the Italian.
 
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Are you serious? "Many Cubans are still socialists and very supportive of Castro though so it may take a little while for capitalism to pick up."
I would like to have George Bush send the entire naval fleet around Cuba just to have it pick up all the people who want to leave Cuba and Fidel behind and I guarantee you that we will need the entire worlds' countries fleets to handle almost the entire population of Cuba.
I specially like Fidel's Putin-type elections with 95% turnouts.Hahaha!
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Golo100 said:
Are you serious? "Many Cubans are still socialists and very supportive of Castro though so it may take a little while for capitalism to pick up."
I would like to have George Bush send the entire naval fleet around Cuba just to have it pick up all the people who want to leave Cuba and Fidel behind and I guarantee you that we will need the entire worlds' countries fleets to handle almost the entire population of Cuba.
I specially like Fidel's Putin-type elections with 95% turnouts.Hahaha!
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Golo100, welcome back! Its been a long time. And by the way AdrianB is talking about education, not capitalists/socialists. ;)

Not, what can you tell us that we don't know :laugh: We need all the gossip please!
 
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Wow, I woke up golo.. What an honor!

Sure, tons of people want to leave Cuba!

But, there are a LOT of people who support Castro and socialism. It wouldn't surprise me if it was 50% of the population based on my conversations with people there. Sure, there's always the fear of being reported - but enough people told me this in confidence that I believe them.
 
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There's no doubt as soon as Cuba opens up there will be a massive influx of capital as well as a massive outflow of talent to The US and Europe (All of those professionals making peanuts now will be looking to make some real money quickly after this happens).

I expect what will happen is something similar to what happened in The USSR where in a few years capitalism has taken hold and the disparity between rich and poor will be enormous. A few people will become super rich while most of the population will be poor.

One of the things a socialist regime does is keep some kind of income equality regardless of whether you're smart, educated, prepared, etc...it brings along people who otherwise would be poor. In a capitalist environment these people get separated into economic classes very quickly, as the savvier ones become rich and those that don't have the drive / talent / preparation, etc are left behind...

Also I expect to see a huge increase in crime, prostitution, drugs and corruption...just like in Russia.
 
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One of the things a socialist regime does is keep some kind of income equality regardless of whether you're smart, educated, prepared, etc...it brings along people who otherwise would be poor. In a capitalist environment these people get separated into economic classes very quickly, as the savvier ones become rich and those that don't have the drive / talent / preparation, etc are left behind...
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It's called "freedom", where one has the opportunity to achieve whatever dream they have for themselves.

Those "rich" usually get there by taking risks and working their asses off, whereas the "poor" usually don't.

Not all have the same dreams, drive, goals or talents. To repress one man for the sake of another is, IMO, a crime against humanity.

Obviously opinions vary...:)
 
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It's called "freedom", where one has the opportunity to achieve whatever dream they have for themselves.

Those "rich" usually get there by taking risks and working their asses off, whereas the "poor" usually don't.

Not all have the same dreams, drive, goals or talents. To repress one man for the sake of another is, IMO, a crime against humanity.

Obviously opinions vary...:)
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I'm not for one system or another...I was just stating what I think will happen when The Castros die off.

Truth is always somewhere in the middle... You can never take what the media or government in one country say at face value, as they will alway exaggerate on their own behalf. For instance while Americans claim The US is the freest country in the world, I would beg to differ and I would even say The DR has more freedoms (in certain areas) than The US.
 
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