Venezuela or DR?

DaniJ

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Hi everyone,

This is my first time actually posting here, though I have been a reader of the forum for aprox. 1 year now. I am a 20 year old university student that has recently returned to the USA after studying in PUCMM in Santiago. I am now looking into the possibility of spending a year abroad after graduation to do an internship, and am considering returning to the Dominican Republic (except to the capital this time, for a different experience) or going to Venezuela (Merida is the city I have in mind). I would love to hear from those that have traveled to/lived in Venezuela, particularly Dominicans or expats/tourists that have spent a decent amount of time in the D.R., and would be able to provide a comparison/contrast of the two countries. So, please tell me about your experiences in Venezuela- the people, the culture, cost of living, safety concerns, etc.

Thank you in advance!

DaniJ
 

amparocorp

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i'm haven't been there since the mid 70's but this is what i remember, caracas is gorgeous, beautiful tall buildings and lots of them, mountains coming straight up out of the sea, gas so cheap that attendants automatically "fill it up", great pizza that will come with anchovies unless told no, also pizza shops all sell onion soup, sorry DR but venezuela has better beaches times 10, friendly people, beautiful women (same as DR), iron bars on windows (same as DR), very good major highways, drivers blow their horns when changing lanes. i would think the cost of living to be much less than the DR due to the cheap gas. i never went to merida, can't comment, but i say go for it, unless other posters will reveal that it is a hot dusty cow town or has other bad attributes.
 

SKY

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You might try Margarita Island, off the coast of Venezuela. Small, friendly, inexpensive living. The drawbacks are it is not very green or large.
 

Chirimoya

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Merida is a very pleasant university town in the mountains, with a springlike climate and Spanish colonial architecture. Seemed like a nice enough place to live, but you'd have to go and see for yourself and decide whether it suits you.
 

drtampa

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St Pete Times - David Adams

Venezuelans losing vision of prosperity under President Chavez
By David Adams, Times Latin America Correspondent
In print: Monday, June 9, 2008

CARACAS ? The line for chicken began forming at four in the morning.

Within minutes of the 8 a.m. opening of the state-run food store, all the chicken was gone.

At less than 50 cents a pound, chicken is the hottest item at Mercal, a vast government network of subsidized food markets.

"I don't know what they did with all those chickens," said Marielena Morillo, 77. "They were all gone by the time I got there. It's a hopeless system."

Mercal is one of the most visible symbols of Venezuela's changing socialist economy. Poor Venezuelans see it as salvation from inflationary food prices. But others say the national chain has grown so large that it undermines domestic food production, which is why it's so hard to find chicken and other basic goods.

After nearly a decade of Hugo Chavez's brand of "21st century socialism," Venezuelans are beginning to ask if anything has changed from the old days when corrupt politicians siphoned the nation's vast wealth at the expense of the poor. With oil trading at $138 a barrel ? 15 times what it was in January 1999 ? critics ask what Venezuelans have to show for it.

"All this social spending has had some effect, but it's far less than it could have been," said Francisco Rodriguez, a Venezuelan-born economist at Wesleyan University in Connecticut. "At best, it's not very different from what the previous governments were able to do before Chavez came along."

The 'spending myth'

The government rejects such assertions, saying poverty has fallen 10.9 percent since 1998.

"This country has been transformed under President Chavez," said Andres Izarra, the president's spokesman.

Chavez's signature program is called Barrio Adentro (Inside the Barrio) which provides health and education services for the poor. The program depends on 30,000 Cuban doctors, nurses, dentists and physical education trainers, who staff clinics in poor communities across the country.

But critics such as Rodriguez assail the "myth of spending on the poor" and question why other major health programs have gone unfunded.

Official health data show only 28 percent of hospital beds can be used because of poor maintenance. The incidence of tropical diseases such as malaria and dengue fever is on the rise.

Price of popularity

With key elections for governors and mayors coming in November, Chavez cannot afford to let his popularity slip. He suffered a stinging defeat in a referendum in December when he sought to rewrite the constitution to allow his unlimited re-election.

"Chavez made an extraordinary diagnostic about what the country needed, but he couldn't provide the answer," said Yon Goicochea, 23, a student leader who led anti-government street protests last year. "We are not developing a productive society."

The government has announced ambitious plans to build 23 universities to train doctors, as well as construct new hospitals under a scheme dubbed Barrio Adentro 3.

But vast sums of money are being spent on Chavez's pet projects abroad, including oil shipments to Cuba valued at $2-billion a year. He has bought $3.4-billion in Russian fighter jets.

Billions more have gone to nationalizing key industries, including cement, telecommunications, electricity and steel.

Mismanagement of the economy is blamed for a slowdown in growth, estimated at 5 percent this year, after several years of double-digit growth. Inflation is running at 26 percent.

Businessmen complain of burdensome socialist bureaucracy. "There is a terrible over-control of the economy," said Jorge Redmond, president of chocolate-maker El Rey.

Exports used to require four forms, but now require 51, he said. Redmond says he hasn't been able to make an overseas shipment for three months.

Labor problems at some of the country's biggest factories, including carmakers General Motors, Mitsubishi and Toyota, have disrupted production. Demand is so great there is a half-year wait for domestic models, such as the Chevy Aveo.

Lack of investment in new exploration has cut crude oil production from 3-million barrels per day to 2.3-million, according to industry experts.

Too much talk

At the Fabricio Ojeda complex in western Caracas, oil money built a clinic, a food distribution program and a textile cooperative. But the co-op's purpose seems more political than commercial.

"Vote Chavez" posters hung on the walls next to women at sewing machines. Instead of turning out popular items for stores, the factory was making denim shirts for staff of the state oil company and red T-shirts advertising a government food program.

"Chavez talks too much. We need training and work, not handouts," said Luis Baena, 42, a bare-chested construction worker. He pointed to a half-built and long-delayed vocational training center overlooking the clinic.

Baena said he used to be pro-Chavez but has steadily lost patience with his failure to fulfill promises to the poor. "It's just turned into more of the same," he said. "Chavez is no better than all the politicians who came before."
 

AZB

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Merida is a very pleasant university town in the mountains, with a springlike climate and Spanish colonial architecture. Seemed like a nice enough place to live, but you'd have to go and see for yourself and decide whether it suits you.

I second chiri, merida is a pleasant place to live in venezuela. I have been there and liked the climate a lot. People are also very nice.
I would also look into colombia. Its way cheaper than DR, venezuela and the people are simply wonderful. There are plenty to choose from in colombia. Try small cities like armenia, pereira or even manizales. If you like big cities, then nothing is better than Bogota. Bogota gets a bit colder at night and the high altitude may not be very appealing to many. So look into Bucaramanaga or even medellin.
AZB
 

lcanale1

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I visit the DR once a month. i had visited Venezuela three times last year. Please be ready for the contrast. The Dominicans are second to none. I 've found that Venezuelans are more arrogant and malicious. Not to mention the actual issues with the economy and politic. In fact, i have a property in Maracay that I might end up losing it since I can not sell it and take my money out of the country. I do not know what would you do for living: work, etc...but I would put Venezuela in the back of my mind for living, study, visiting, vacationing, at this time. it is a shame!
 

lcanale1

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Man, did i mention safety issues? the country is pretty unsafe. you hear every day someone was killed or found on a ditch without a wallet. They have a radar to ID tourist or foreigners. Be careful,
 

Funnyyale26

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Venezuela has that crazy guy Chavez. That is reason enough to stay away from there.

All of that is BIG BS because there are PLENTY of European expats living in Cuba, which has a WORST political situation than Venezuela and they are quite happy, from what I have read in the Cuban Forums.
 

bob saunders

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All of that is BIG BS because there are PLENTY of European expats living in Cuba, which has a WORST political situation than Venezuela and they are quite happy, from what I have read in the Cuban Forums.

No you are wrong. Cuba is one of the safest places due to the government having so much control(police state) There is crime but Venezuela is very dangerous. Caracas has a higher murder rate that any Colombian city. Have you been to either country, if not I suggest you are talking off the top of your head. I haven't been to Venezuela for more than 10 years but I have been to Cuba a number of times and have Cuban relatives.
 

DaniJ

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Hi again. I haven't read every reply yet, but I wanted to say thanks to all that have offered advice and insights... I will return tomorrow with specific replies. Thanks again! :)
 

monster

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I was in Venezuela last year in Maracaibo. Venezuela is beautiful and the people are very nice, but it is also a very dangerous country. As far as cost of living I found it much cheaper than DR.
 

MaineGirl

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my two cents

I've been two both countries. I lived in Venezuela (been there 10 times) and I have been to DR 15 times.

To say I love both equally is not true--but I do love both countries and I think you will enjoy either experience very much.
 

bart6

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interesting time to be in Merida, I have spent time in both and frequent the DR but as a young person Merida, migh tbe the place to go, good university good population of young people and historically fascinating time to be there you will look back on it for your whole life, whereas you can always go to the DR.