Pedro possibly to be picked up by Phillies...

Bad idea

Chris_NJ said:

I am a life long Phillies fan am not sure how to feel about the Fighting Phils possibly aquiring Pedro Martinez. As of now the Phillies have great team chemistry but have been struggling this year in the pitching department. Pedro is obvioulsy passed his prime and his ability to stay healthy and effective will be somewhat of a crapshoot.

I am more curious to hear opinions of how Pedro will affect the team chemistry. Any ideas?

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I don't think signing Pedro would be a wise move by the Phillies, but, it's not like they're going to beat the Sox in the WS anyway, but for the sake of your question.....

Pedro is nothing more than a 5 inning pitcher at this point. He can't overpower the opponent anymore. The Phil's should make it happen and get Doc Halladay if they wan't to have a chance to win it all.

But more to your question, I don't think he'd help team chemistry, but further, I don't think he'd have much of an effect on it in either direction. The Phil's are the World Champs (that's right Robert - "WORLD") they won before him, he'll be put in his place if he starts with the "sitting under a mango tree" talk.

Highly doubtful they sign him, I think it's a terrible idea.

i have always been a fan of Pedro, but now i kind of hate the guy for what he did to the Mets, he was given a ton of money when nobody else would, with this team he was mostly injured or rehabing the whole time he was there. and when he did pitched, he was mediocre at best.
when his contract was up, packed his bags looking for highest contract and not having the decency to even give the Mets a hometown discount.
what a thieft.

as for the op inquiry, i think the Phillies should take him in a heartbeat. at this point Pedro is very very healthy (again thx to the met$$) IMO he is gonna go out there to perform like 2004 Red Sox but 5 inning max.

Phils have the money and fresh memory of the WS.also coupled with the fact that the Phillies,like you said, have the tendency to take over-the-hill players and turn them around.
they should do it.

Bullpen is a bigger problem

Gelmi-an said:

as for the op inquiry, i think the Phillies should take him in a heartbeat. at this point Pedro is very very healthy (again thx to the met$$) IMO he is gonna go out there to perform like 2004 Red Sox but 5 inning max.

Phils have the money and fresh memory of the WS.also coupled with the fact that the Phillies,like you said, have the tendency to take over-the-hill players and turn them around. they should do it.

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Adding a 5 inning pitcher doesn't make sense for them right now. Just my opinion, I think they should have gone for Halladay. Any team that wants a winner should.

I'd be really surprised if Pedro makes any impact whatsoever.

Pedro has been one of my favorite players for a lonnnng time, but at this point he needs to retire with some dignity. I don't understand why these players don't realize they can't be great forever and just try to stick around for as long as possible and just embarrass themselves in the end. He already has a pretty good shot at the hall of fame so why mess with it now.

Don't care about the Phillies (They and the Indians are the only two teams I really kind of hate), but I don't think Pedro would be much help to them either as others have mentioned. Maybe he could be a mid-reliever or something like that or maybe he could pull a John Smoltz and become a closer, but Philadelphia already has Lidge whom even though he hasn't been lights out like he was last year is still pretty good.

The Phillies should be going after Halladay even if they sign Pedro, they are really in a bad shape in pitching. About team chemistry, that is really over rated, a team chemistry will always be good if a team is winning and if the team is losing the chemistry is down the toilet, as simple as that. To win you need the best talent out there, and I think Pedro could help against the lesser teams, the only thing that worries me is that bandbox they call Citizens Ball Park, those flies really carry there.

Cleef said:

Adding a 5 inning pitcher doesn't make sense for them right now. Just my opinion, I think they should have gone for Halladay. Any team that wants a winner should..

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if Pedro gives them 5 inning of low ERA consistently that would be awesome for the phils or any ballclub for that matter.

long gone are the days of complete games pitcher.
pitch count,middle reliever,lefty specialist, and set up man is how todays MLB roll.

I think he might be a good closer...but that is it at this point. THe sox let him go at the right time. I have no tears for him and his millions

jrzyguy said:

I think he might be a good closer...but that is it at this point. THe sox let him go at the right time. I have no tears for him and his millions

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agree 100%

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Philly Fans love Cleef Lee

Halladay would have been nice, but who knows how he'd hit.

I like the Cliff Lee pickup, and they didn't trade any of the prospects proposed in the Halladay discussions. Seems like a good deal for both teams.

I was in SF last night and listened to the radio broadcast on the way in (I could actually hear a "LETS GO FLYERS" chant - I'm not kidding).

I watched the last 3 innings as well, the Phills look really good.

See you in October!

The Jays were asking too much for Roy Halladay. No one would be stupid enough to gut their farm system for a 32 year-old pitcher who is going to be a free agent next year and is not guaranteed to resign with the team that trades for him.

As for Pedro, I found it amusing that he is supposedly looking to get revenge against the Mets for not resigning him.

If this is true, it's obvious he's been hit by too many mangoes while sitting under that tree in the DR as a youth.

Besides, the guy's arm is shot. He struggles to get to the high 80's and as a starting pitcher, he is useless after five innings, six if you're lucky.

Good luck with that one, Phillies. It doesn't matter, anyway. Who do they have to beat in their division? The Mets? HAHAHA!!!!!!!!!

I disagree, on the greater point.

Berzin said:

The Jays were asking too much for Roy Halladay. No one would be stupid enough to gut their farm system for a 32 year-old pitcher who is going to be a free agent next year and is not guaranteed to resign with the team that trades for him.

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Halladay is signed through 2010, so he'd be good for the rest of this season, and all of next.

Further, he could be traded again next year and whatever team ponied up Toronto's asking price would have been able - most likely - to recoup what they lost in their farm system.

If they did not trade him or sign him, as a type A free agent, the team that did sign him would surrender two (very high) draft picks in the 2011 draft.

Although I agree the asking price was high - as it should be, he'd be an ace on every team he went to - it wouldn't necessarily be devastating in the long term.

Berzin said:

As for Pedro, I found it amusing that he is supposedly looking to get revenge against the Mets for not resigning him.

If this is true, it's obvious he's been hit by too many mangoes while sitting under that tree in the DR as a youth.

Besides, the guy's arm is shot. He struggles to get to the high 80's and as a starting pitcher, he is useless after five innings, six if you're lucky.

Good luck with that one, Phillies. It doesn't matter, anyway. Who do they have to beat in their division? The Mets? HAHAHA!!!!!!!!!

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Gammons mentioned that part of Pedro signing with Philly is to "get back at" the Mets, which I find absurd. What could he have against them? They paid him huge money for little to no production, he brought them nothing but headaches - and he has a vendetta?

That's ludicrous.

His mangoes are tainted.

I'm anxious to see what he does for them. That being said, the Phillies are the best team in baseball at the moment. They look solid.

Cleef said:

Halladay is signed through 2010, so he'd be good for the rest of this season, and all of next.

Further, he could be traded again next year and whatever team ponied up Toronto's asking price would have been able - most likely - to recoup what they lost in their farm system.

If they did not trade him or sign him, as a type A free agent, the team that did sign him would surrender two (very high) draft picks in the 2011 draft.

Although I agree the asking price was high - as it should be, he'd be an ace on every team he went to - it wouldn't necessarily be devastating in the long term.

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Yes, I typed too fast on that one. I forgot Halladay had another year remaining on his contract. Looking at it that way maybe a team like the Yanks or the Sox could of traded for him, since they would be in a better position than most to resign a high-priced free agent when his contract is up. And giving up young prospects isn't that big of a deal when you can sign good free agents.

As for the Phillies, I don't think they desperately need Martinez, but having another arm laying around won't hurt them either.

Cleef said:

I'm anxious to see what he[Pedro Martinez] does for them. That being said, they're the best team in baseball at the moment. They look solid.

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As for the Mets putting up a fight in that division, I don't think so.

Right now I would trade Beltran and Delgado for Dave Kingman and John Milner.

yeah but to send Jamie Moyer to the bullpen ? come on Pedro aint that good. i bet he gets hammered when they play a real team....

Agreed

Kyle said:

yeah but to send Jamie Moyer to the bullpen ? come on Pedro aint that good. i bet he gets hammered when they play a real team....

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In the first inning the Cubs were - kind of - laying off his pitches, but I think they took a really poor approach to facing Pedro. Too many over-swings.

They should have been far more patient, seen more pitches. He was hanging a lot of off-speed stuff that should have gotten hammered, but they were all swinging for the fences. Soriano was completely psyched out and looked completely lost. Lee had some good swings against him, but he was too anxious to find the bleachers.

The Cubs are for real, but they didn't plan well for this game. Methinks the next team he faces - that will have likely scouted his performance - will be more patient, make him throw more pitches and they'll hit the ripe mangoes he's throwing.

If he gets out of the 4th inning in his next start I'll be surprised. Although, it looks like he's facing the D'Backs next, so not too much of a test there, and the AAA Mets are after that.

When he faces the mettle of the league, he'll get tested.

Cliff Lee was the best pickup they could have made.

The Phillies are the NL favorite - by a wide margin - in my opinion.