What happen to Leonel's Nobel Peace Prize Nomination

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With Americans again sweeping the Nobels in all the true sciences and now also peace prize for a second year in a row, one wonders what happened to Leonel's nomination:
I understand a nomination was submitted and now the Leonel camp is very upset that an underachiever rookie like Obama beat him:
Here are Leonel's nomination achievements:
1)He kept Chavez and Uribe from killing each other and starting a war with his mediation at La Cumbre.
2)He kept Chavez on the brakes. Chavez threatened to invade Spain for the Kings "Callate La Boca" insult. Leonel prevented another war.
3)Leonel is the only Latin president who is still keeping Zelaya alive by mentioning his name and demanding his return to power, even quieting Chavez and Ortega as Zelaya's spokesmen.
4)Leonel has kept the peace in the barrios of Dominican Republic by buying out the gangs, tigueres, padres de familia and PLD base with jobs, funditas full of money, and food boxes. Quite an achievement considering blackouts of 15 or more hours a day and no water.
5)Leonel has prevented a civil war among his cabinet members who are all at each other's throats. This an achievement unmatched by any Latin president, including Kristina, who cannot keep a cabinet member in tow.
6)Leonel did not send soldiers to Irak like warmonger Hipolito Mejia, who sent our glorious army there and did as good or better job than the Marines and came back heroes. But peace is peace man and our left wing population admires cowards anyway, except Jimmy Carter of course.
7)Leonel has prevented a civil war with Haiti by allowing the new Haitian invasion. His do nothing Haiti policy will eventually prove Jimmy Carter right, that we should be merged. Except this will happen by default.
8)Leonel has contributed to peace among the three drug and cocaine cartel powers Colombia, Venezuela and Dominican Republic by allowing free landing rights to all small airplanes carrying the merchandise. No shooting downs.
9)Leonel has helped keep the peace in Ecuador's border with Colombia by sending good will ambassador Isa Conde to train FARC's members in the jungles.
10)Leonel is contributing to peace in the Middle East by allying himself with terrorist nations like Lybia, Cuba, Gaza,Russia, Iran, Nicaragua, Venezuela while condemning Israel the only democracy in the entire Middle East. Leonel also sent a "get well card" to the Lockerbee assasin signed by his entire cabinet and promised him a free burial lot at Cristo Rey cemetery. a Attaboy Leonel!
How did this guy lose to Obama anyway?????
 
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How did this guy lose to Obama anyway?????
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Well...

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Maybe because Leonel has done something, he earned his own disqualification. :dead:
 
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Golo100 said:
With Americans again sweeping the Nobels in all the true sciences and now also peace prize for a second year in a row, one wonders what happened to Leonel's nomination:
I understand a nomination was submitted and now the Leonel camp is very upset that an underachiever rookie like Obama beat him:
Here are Leonel's nomination achievements:
1)He kept Chavez and Uribe from killing each other and starting a war with his mediation at La Cumbre.
2)He kept Chavez on the brakes. Chavez threatened to invade Spain for the Kings "Callate La Boca" insult. Leonel prevented another war.
3)Leonel is the only Latin president who is still keeping Zelaya alive by mentioning his name and demanding his return to power, even quieting Chavez and Ortega as Zelaya's spokesmen.
4)Leonel has kept the peace in the barrios of Dominican Republic by buying out the gangs, tigueres, padres de familia and PLD base with jobs, funditas full of money, and food boxes. Quite an achievement considering blackouts of 15 or more hours a day and no water.
5)Leonel has prevented a civil war among his cabinet members who are all at each other's throats. This an achievement unmatched by any Latin president, including Kristina, who cannot keep a cabinet member in tow.
6)Leonel did not send soldiers to Irak like warmonger Hipolito Mejia, who sent our glorious army there and did as good or better job than the Marines and came back heroes. But peace is peace man and our left wing population admires cowards anyway, except Jimmy Carter of course.
7)Leonel has prevented a civil war with Haiti by allowing the new Haitian invasion. His do nothing Haiti policy will eventually prove Jimmy Carter right, that we should be merged. Except this will happen by default.
8)Leonel has contributed to peace among the three drug and cocaine cartel powers Colombia, Venezuela and Dominican Republic by allowing free landing rights to all small airplanes carrying the merchandise. No shooting downs.
9)Leonel has helped keep the peace in Ecuador's border with Colombia by sending good will ambassador Isa Conde to train FARC's members in the jungles.
10)Leonel is contributing to peace in the Middle East by allying himself with terrorist nations like Lybia, Cuba, Gaza,Russia, Iran, Nicaragua, Venezuela while condemning Israel the only democracy in the entire Middle East. Leonel also sent a "get well card" to the Lockerbee assasin signed by his entire cabinet and promised him a free burial lot at Cristo Rey cemetery. a Attaboy Leonel!
How did this guy lose to Obama anyway?????
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He deserved it way more than Obama.
 
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at least Obama can keep the lights on, what about Leonel ? :ermm:

comparing Leonel to Obama is like comparing Michael Jordan to uh, Golo ?

definitely an underachiever....
 
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yeah, I wonder what obama would have achieved if he were the president of dominican republic? You think its that easy to manage a country where the people themselves help vote in a corrupt candidate? I have seen it with my own eyes: candidates buy votes, pay people and give the food, phony promises for jobs and rum / entertainment, just to buy their votes. If people accept this behavior from the candidates, then they deserve a corrupt official. The people of this country, themselves, help elect a corrupt official and then they complain later.
Obama would not have done any better if he was the president of this country. On the other hand, I bet if leonel was the president of USA, he would have done exactly, if not better than what obama is doing. Which is "nothing at all".
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AZB said:
yeah, I wonder what obama would have achieved if he were the president of dominican republic? You think its that easy to manage a country where the people themselves help vote in a corrupt candidate? I have seen it with my own eyes: candidates buy votes, pay people and give the food, phony promises for jobs and rum / entertainment, just to buy their votes. If people accept this behavior from the candidates, then they deserve a corrupt official. The people of this country, themselves, help elect a corrupt official and then they complain later.
Obama would not have done any better if he was the president of this country. On the other hand, I bet if leonel was the president of USA, he would have done exactly, if not better than what obama is doing. Which is "nothing at all".
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It all goes back to the political will of the people. Things will change when enough people want them to change.

And not before.

And as long as Dominicans have this belief that the quickest, easiest way to get ahead is to befriend and get a politician elected, it won't change.

Professional Civil Service System, anyone? :classic:
 
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Like any other thread relating to politics, I find it funny that I can read the posts and know who said what without looking at the username.

Ideology trumps intellectual curiosity every time. :ermm:

Obama didn't campaign for this award. He was given it by the Norwegian voters who comprise the Nobel Committee. They decided he deserved it.

He clearly did nothing to deserve it, and should of declined. The man has no body of work either on the domestic nor international stage to merit the honor. Just a bunch of empty, non-substantive "I Have a Dream" speeches that are beginning to grate even on his most ardent supporters.

And if he was given an award as a knee-jerk reaction to 8 years of Bush-Cheney foreign policy, the committee clearly has not done it's homework because Obama is continuing the same failed tactics of nation building and aggressive war-mongering in the Middle East. Makes me wonder why the neo-cons hate him so much.

Fernandez, on the other hand, has done everything in his power to become an international statesman. For a man from such a small Caribbean country riddled with it's own problems, he never misses an opportunity to fly with an entourage of sycophants and leeches to strengthen relations with countries that I'm sure do not consider relations with the DR high on their list of priorities.

We read about it all the time on this site-

"Fernandez strengthens economic ties with Lilliputians-set to open Levi store catering to worlds' tallest midgets in the Zona Franca".

He should get a prize for trying to turn Santo Domingo into Washington Heights with yet another metro already breaking ground. Can't wait to ride that number 1 train from Avenida John F. Kennedy all the way to Herrera.
 
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Berzin said:
"Fernandez strengthens economic ties with Lilliputians-set to open Levi store catering to worlds' tallest midgets in the Zona Franca".
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Watch it, buster. Your unwarranted disdain for Lilliputians and midgets will be dealt with most harshly...;)
 
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Question is who nominated ABM? as the nominations closed only 11 days after he was inaugurated. Before any of his speeches and the only real thing he had done was order Guantanamo closed which is no closer to happening now than it was in January.

This was purely another Norwegian political swipe at Bush. The world pretty much agrees that he has done nothing to warrant the award.

Fernandez would have been a much better choice.
 
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This was purely another Norwegian political swipe at Bush. The world pretty much agrees that he has done nothing to warrant the award.

Fernandez would have been a much better choice.
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Or, the Norwegians wanted to prevent Obama from being 'Bushified.' :rolleyes:

Didn't Obama ordered reinforcement troops to Afghanistan a few days before winning the peace "prize"?

And what's the most interesting aspect in all of this?

Obama does nothing to change things and yet, the U.S. "changes" (maybe its an illusion).

Fern?ndez does everything to change the DR and yet, the DR doesn't change (definitely not an illusion).

Hmm.... :rolleyes:
 
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yeah, I wonder what obama would have achieved if he were the president of dominican republic? You think its that easy to manage a country where the people themselves help vote in a corrupt candidate? I have seen it with my own eyes: candidates buy votes, pay people and give the food, phony promises for jobs and rum / entertainment, just to buy their votes. If people accept this behavior from the candidates, then they deserve a corrupt official. The people of this country, themselves, help elect a corrupt official and then they complain later.
Obama would not have done any better if he was the president of this country. On the other hand, I bet if leonel was the president of USA, he would have done exactly, if not better than what obama is doing. Which is "nothing at all".
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Well, despite public opinion, the corruption is not as bad at the top of the political machine as it is in middle and at the bottom.
 
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Well, despite public opinion, the corruption is not as bad at the top of the political machine as it is in middle and at the bottom.
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But the top is clearly in control. They endorse it by non-action.

Besides, THEIR power is derived from the middle and bottom of the base.
 
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But the top is clearly in control. They endorse it by non-action.

Besides, THEIR power is derived from the middle and bottom of the base.
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It may appear as if nothing is being done to combat this problem, but appearances are not always reflective of what truly happens behind the scenes.

Eliminating corruption from a population that thinks stealing RD$3,000 is nothing because what's RD$3,000 in this day and age, is a problem harder to eradicate than most people are willing to accept.

Imagine a Coca-Cola glass bottle dotted with holes that grow in number exponentially the further down the bottle one goes. Now add that for every hole that is effectively blocked, new one's pop up almost instantly. And finally, add a hole blocking limitation (only so many holes can be effectively blocked during any given period of time).

That's the DR government at this moment. Not an easy situation to fix, even when there is a consistent effort to eradicate it.
 
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NALs said:
It may appear as if nothing is being done to combat this problem, but appearances are not always reflective of what truly happens behind the scenes.

Eliminating corruption from a population that thinks stealing RD$3,000 is nothing because what's RD$3,000 in this day and age, is a problem harder to eradicate than most people are willing to accept.

Imagine a Coca-Cola glass bottle dotted with holes that grow in number exponentially the further down the bottle one goes. Now add that for every hole that is effectively blocked, new one's pop up almost instantly. And finally, add a hole blocking limitation (only so many holes can be effectively blocked during any given period of time).

That's the DR government at this moment. Not an easy situation to fix, even when there is a consistent effort to eradicate it.
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I'm not so sure.

As long as clientelism is the Name of the Get Elected game, I don't see a REAL effort being made.

Why didn't the old edumacation ministress go to jail for her milk fraud (for one example)?
 
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NALs said:
It may appear as if nothing is being done to combat this problem, but appearances are not always reflective of what truly happens behind the scenes.
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I'm sure you're right, NALs. According to Wilton Guerrero the cartels are now getting in at the stage of buying precandidates and making sure their man wins

Wilton Guerrero dar? conocer lista precandidatos vinculados al narcotr?fico

And of course if a popular precandidate doesn't happen to be 'their' man, well, anything can happen

Creen en muerte de pol?tico hay autores intelectuales
 
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I'm not so sure.

As long as clientelism is the Name of the Get Elected game, I don't see a REAL effort being made.

Why didn't the old edumacation ministress go to jail for her milk fraud (for one example)?
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For the same reason Figueroa and ?lvarez are still in jail. Despite the media fanfare, if there are no proofs of wrong doing, then why should you be punished? Just because you were the target of some media frenzy that plays on people's perceptions of things?
 
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So far, and by their own admission, Leonel's government is now the most corrupt ever in our modern "so called" democracy. Balaguer and Hipolito are dwarfed as 2nd. and third.
Now Vincho Castillo, himself no angel, is going after Leonel's inner guard in new corruption cases. But for what? Leonel will do nothing to remove his henchmen. What? Fire Bautista? The man who got caught with a jeepeta full of Uzzis?
Do you think Segura is out of Leonel's inner circle just because he replaced him with Marranzini?
This government is putrid from the bottom up and down. Obama in a way is turning America into another DR. Taxes, taxes , deficits, deficits, borrowing, borrowing and letting future generations solve their mess.
How many more PLD years do we need to sink DR? Leonel has been at it for 12 years and has not been able to solve one single problem. Dead serious! Tell me one problem solved?
His peaceful demeanor and calm attitude is just his Jekyll and Hyde personality. His violence against Dominicans resides in his willful destruction of our institutions and resources left to us 48 years ago. But Dominicans do not deserve any better. We voted him in.
Now comes another savior. Former District Attorney Guillermo Moreno walks into the electoral map acting as a fourth alternative. Beware of this wolf. This is even a worse proposition. We now have another Chavez' puppet trying to run DR. This is now our next step. Go after private property rights, install a socialist agenda and take us into ALBA. How bad can it get? You haven't seen nothing yet.
 
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