Encuentro Beach Shacks Bulldozed today in Cabarete

[windeguy]

I’m bored to death about it. It’s private property people should move on...

No, Harley, You are wrong. Here are the two of the reasons why you are wrong. There may be more.

1) The land claimed illegally by the two companies includes a road that connected Gaspar Hernandez to Sosua and beyond dating back many, many years. That road, by DR law, is part of the public domain.

2) The illegal seizure of the land also includes land within the 60 meter water mark from the ocean which is very clearly stated in DR law as being part of the public domain.

The courts have clearly stated these points, but the local government is not enforcing the court orders. Hence the on going dispute.

Anyone who builds on land anywhere in the DR that is within that 60 meter line from the ocean faces forfeiture of anything within that distance because it is illegally constructed if the government has not signed off on that construction. (Think of Lifestyles in Cabarete and the discussion of its legality and the picture here will come into focu$$$$)

There used to be more than 40 houses directly across from Costa Azul, one day the government told the people that they were going to remove those illegal houses. Nobody believed them. The following day they came in with a massive bull dozer, used tear gas, and within a week there was no trace anyone ever lived along that stretch of ocean front land. (That land remains mostly undeveloped with the exception of a wall built along the main highway where they have the music festival for the benefit of the dogs and cats. )

 

[El Rey de Mangu]

No, Harley, You are wrong. Here are the two of the reasons why you are wrong. There may be more.

1) The land claimed illegally by the two companies includes a road that connected Gaspar Hernandez to Sosua and beyond dating back many, many years. That road, by DR law, is part of the public domain.

2) The illegal seizure of the land also includes land within the 60 meter water mark from the ocean which is very clearly stated in DR law as being part of the public domain.

The courts have clearly stated these points, but the local government is not enforcing the court orders. Hence the on going dispute.

Anyone who builds on land anywhere in the DR that is within that 60 meter line from the ocean faces forfeiture of anything within that distance because it is illegally constructed.

This is a Dominican legal matter on Dominican soil. The gringos have been shadow sponsoring this "save the whales-style" waste of time for years. Harley is right, it's time to move on.

 

[drstock]

This is a Dominican legal matter on Dominican soil. The gringos have been shadow sponsoring this "save the whales-style" waste of time for years. Harley is right, it's time to move on.

Why do you keep saying this? It is a big issue for both Dominicans and gringos who use the beach and the road leading up to it. Yes, gringos may be vociferous, but so are the many Dominican surfers who use the beach. I don't see anything wrong in supporting this just cause - and I'm not a surfer!

 

[El Rey de Mangu]

Why do you keep saying this? It is a big issue for both Dominicans and gringos who use the beach and the road leading up to it. Yes, gringos may be vociferous, but so are the many Dominican surfers who use the beach. I don't see anything wrong in supporting this just cause - and I'm not a surfer!

I keep stating this because it's my opinion. I guess I would ask in response to your question, why do folks keep bringing the theme back to the forum? Because they can. So no need to ask me, right? This forum should welcome arguments on both sides of this issue that do not otherwise violate forum policy.

 

[windeguy]

I keep stating this because it's my opinion. I guess I would ask in response to your question, why do folks keep bringing the theme back to the forum? Because they can. So no need to ask me, right? This forum should welcome arguments on both sides of this issue that do not otherwise violate forum policy.

This is brought up because land was illegally seized by a company that is part of public domain and the enforcement of court orders have not been carried out by the local authorities.

You are entitled to your opinion that you don't care about this. You cannot state as a fact that laws are not being broken, because they have been broken with respect to this blockage and land seizure.

 

[windeguy]

Why do you keep saying this? It is a big issue for both Dominicans and gringos who use the beach and the road leading up to it. Yes, gringos may be vociferous, but so are the many Dominican surfers who use the beach. I don't see anything wrong in supporting this just cause - and I'm not a surfer!

100% correct, drstock. For those that don't care, they don't need to respond, but this is an issue for the surfers and will only get worse if the laws are not enforced.

 

[El Rey de Mangu]

You cannot state as a fact that laws are not being broken, because they have been broken with respect to this blockage and land seizure.

Please find where I said that, sir. I am not arguing that there is no validity to this case. Again, what I have stated is that this is a Dominican matter on Dominican soil and certain gringos have been shadow-sponsoring this initiative for a long time. Not all people/inhabitants of Cab are enthused by this, sir. I respectfully note your concerns on the matter, though.

 

[El Rey de Mangu]

100% correct, drstock. For those that don't care, they don't need to respond, but this is an issue for the surfers and will only get worse if the laws are not enforced.

You will not chalk this off in a censorship fashion. It's not that others do not care, it's they feel a certain way about this issue. I will exercise my membership on this board to voice my part. Thanks!

 

[windeguy]

Please find where I said that, sir. I am not arguing that there is no validity to this case. Again, what I have stated is that this is a Dominican matter on Dominican soil and certain gringos have been shadow-sponsoring this initiative for a long time. Not all people/inhabitants of Cab are enthused by this, sir. I respectfully note your concerns on the matter, though.

I am glad you see the validity of this case. I had doubts on that because you don't care. That is all.

Of course it is a "Dominican matter" . That is stating the obvious because this is the Dominican Republic, so I will grant you a mastery of the obvious on this.

Why are "not all inhabitants of Cabrete enthused by this"? Who are these people and why are they against proper enforcement of the law?

 

[windeguy]

You will not chalk this off in a censorship fashion. It's not that others do not care, it's they feel a certain way about this issue. I will exercise my membership on this board to voice my part. Thanks!

Of course, you can voice your displeasure any way the mods will go along with. I have no say on that other than you seem to be wasting your time without making valid points along the way when it comes to the laws.

I am describing a legal situation that is not being properly enforced. You appear to not care about that, or have other motivations that have not been clarified and that is just fine. Why and how does such a discussion trouble you?

 

[El Rey de Mangu]

I am glad you see the validity of this case. I had doubts on that because you don't care. That is all.

Of course it is a "Dominican matter" . That is stating the obvious because this is the Dominican Republic, so I will grant you a mastery of the obvious on this.

Why are "not all inhabitants of Cabrete enthused by this"? Who are these people and why are they against proper enforcement of the law?

It is not practical that you would think all residents of Cabarete are aligned with your position on this matter. I am one one of those that are not. "I" feel that if the gringo shadow-sponsors were not "funding" this save-the-whales-style struggle, the Dominicans would not have ventured in.

 

[El Rey de Mangu]

Of course, you can voice your displeasure any way the mods will go along with. I have no say on that other than you seem to be wasting your time without making valid points along the way when it comes to the laws.

I am describing a legal situation that is not being properly enforced. You appear to not care about that, or have other motivations that have not been clarified.

What sticks in my craw is that the sponsors of this initiative have felt since day one that the mighty gringo force would assure a win on the matter. [Gringos] have thrown countless resources into this for some reason. Many have been slapped on the knuckles with the ruler already. It's time to let the Dominicans handle their own affairs, that's all.

 

[drstock]

I believe that many Dominican surfers have ventured into this because they are enthusiasts for their sport and see it being illegally taken away from them. By the way, I like whales too!

 

[cruzan1]

Thanks for the clarification. I never knew that there was a different entrance that had been closed off. Well whatever the current access is, private or public.. It is open for anyone to drive down and enjoy the beach. Also, let me paint the correct picture. It is not a few greasy pony tail surfers smoking weed on the beach. The beach is actually being used quite actively by the surf schools and I see tons of kids out learning how to ride on a daily basis. There are more tourist families down there in the mornings than locals. Also keep in mind that these families are renting villas, hotel rooms and spending money in Cab and Sosua. It's a great beach and I hope they do the right thing and protect it.

El Rey - fighting plastic straws, littering and protecting free access to the ocean isn't a "GRINGO" thing. It's a planet thing.

 

[windeguy]

I keep stating this because it's my opinion. I guess I would ask in response to your question, why do folks keep bringing the theme back to the forum? Because they can. So no need to ask me, right? This forum should welcome arguments on both sides of this issue that do not otherwise violate forum policy.

The reason to add points to this thread is to bring this topic up to date is because there are new developments in this legal issue. That is why there are new points to be made , such as when a judge visits the scene which happened recently.

Justice still has not been done, so there will be more posts about this. I am sorry if that troubles you, others in Cabarete, or Harleysrock, etc...

 

[El Rey de Mangu]

I believe that many Dominican surfers have ventured into this because they are enthusiasts for their sport and see it being illegally taken away from them. By the way, I like whales too!

I disagree Stock. At this point, it would be interesting to audit the financials on this. Who's got what stake in it and the associated motivation factors. Clearly it's not about some surfing and a fish shack.

 

[El Rey de Mangu]

The reason to add points to this thread is to bring this topic up to date is because there are new developments in this legal issue. That is why there are new points to be made , such as when a judge visits the scene which happened recently.

Justice still has not been done, so there will be more posts about this. I am sorry if that troubles you, others in Cabarete, or Harleysrock, etc...

Very disappointed that you seem to continue to attempt to shut the nay-sayers out of this conversation. I am a Cabarete resident. I look forward to voicing my part on your posts regarding Encuentro!

 

[windeguy]

What sticks in my craw is that the sponsors of this initiative have felt since day one that the mighty gringo force would assure a win on the matter. [Gringos] have thrown countless resources into this for some reason. Many have been slapped on the knuckles with the ruler already. It's time to let the Dominicans handle their own affairs, that's all.

I think I am beginning to see a point from you. If I understand correctly, in your opinion, if the local leaders want to act in a corrupt fashion and not enforce the laws, that is a Dominican thing, and everyone should just move on from that and ignore the corruption?

 

[El Rey de Mangu]

I think I am beginning to see a point from you. If I understand correctly, in your opinion, if the local leaders want to act in a corrupt fashion and not enforce the laws, that is a Dominican thing, and everyone should just move on from that and ignore the corruption?

My position is it's time to let the Dominicans handle their own affairs.

 

[windeguy]

Very disappointed that you seem to continue to attempt to shut the nay-sayers out of this conversation. I am a Cabarete resident. I look forward to voicing my part on your posts regarding Encuentro!

Where did I say you could not comment on the updates to this? I meant no such inference. I did state you are apparently wasting your time without making clear points, and I stand by that comment.

I just asked for your reasoning on this. I also live in Cabarete and we have had many clients who are surfers over the years. Feel free to state your points, I am still not getting your full side of the story.