Haitians attack Dominican Consulate in Haiti

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At the end of the day, Haiti is France's problem.

What language do they speak in Haiti, that's right, they speak French.

And the French language didn't miracle itself into the minds of these people -- the French did it. Send them the bill for this immigration debacle.
 

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At the end of the day, Haiti is France's problem.

What language do they speak in Haiti, that's right, they speak French.

And the French language didn't miracle itself into the minds of these people -- the French did it. Send them the bill for this immigration debacle.

Yeah....good luck with that.....


it's gonna be rough independence day tomorrow...


My thoughts exactly. There aren't a lot of Haitians where we live, but today we found out that they had a meeting, and are laying low and staying off the streets for a few days.
 

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At the end of the day, Haiti is France's problem.

What language do they speak in Haiti, that's right, they speak French.

And the French language didn't miracle itself into the minds of these people -- the French did it. Send them the bill for this immigration debacle.

It's almost a sin that they have remained off-the-hook in all this, not only due to the fact that they were the ones that created that industrial plantation nightmare, but also the fact that, while this demographic disaster is happening, their territory in South America that goes by the name of Cayenne (or in official parlance, French Guiana) remains almost empty at a paltry 250,000 inhabitants while being larger than this island (83,534kms2).

French Guiana - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

WillsonCori

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Being in debt for several decade to the French sure didnt help very much either...Imagine if the US made territories pay for their freedom???
 

WillsonCori

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What really should have been done was the French should have brought them back home. Invasive species are a serious problem even for humans
 

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Interesting read:

HAITI: Independence Debt, Reparations for Slavery and Colonialism, and International “Aid”

Haiti’s current economic crisis and political turmoil have their roots in the “odious debt” of 150 million gold francs (later reduced to 90 million) which France imposed on the newborn republic with gunboats in 1825.

The sum was supposed to compensate French planters for their losses of slaves and property during Haiti’s 1791-1804 revolution, which gave birth to the world’s first slavery-free, and hence truly free, republic. It is the only case in world history where the victor of a major war paid the loser reparations.

In fact, French colonial losses were only an estimated 100 million gold francs, if one stoops to placing monetary value on human slaves.

This extortion, perhaps more than any other 19th century agreement, laid bare the hypocrisy of France’s1789 Declaration of the Rights of Man, modeled on the 1776 American Declaration of Independence, which proclaimed: “Men are born free and remain free and equal in rights.” The U.S., which assumed the debt in 1922, proved itself equally insincere in respecting this fundamental democratic principle for which it claims paternity.

It took Haiti 122 years, until 1947, to pay off both the original ransom to France and the tens of millions more in interest payments borrowed from French banks to meet the deadlines.

In 2003, Haiti became the world’s first former colony to demand reparations (in the form of debt restitution) from a former colonial power. Then President Jean-Bertrand Aristide’s government conservatively calculated the value of the restitution due at some $21.7 billion. Although the French parliament had unanimously approved a law recognizing the slave trade as a crime against humanity in 2001, just two years later France responded to Haiti’s petition with fury. It angrily rejected the lawsuit and joined with Washington in brazenly fomenting a coup d’?tat against Aristide, who was ousted on Feb. 29, 2004.

For the past nine years since then, the U.S. and France have orchestrated the deployment of some 9,000 United Nations troops to militarily occupy Haiti, a mission which costs about $850 million annually. Known as MINUSTAH, the force has been responsible for massacres, rapes, and, most tragically, the October 2010 importation of cholera, which has now killed some 8,500 people and sickened close to 700,000 others. It is now the world’s worst cholera epidemic, and the UN refused in April to pay reparations to cholera victims who petitioned for it in November 2011.

Europeans and North Americans regularly dismiss demands for reparations, saying the crimes of slavery and colonialism were committed by their ancestors. If we accept the logic that responsibility for these crimes does not belong to the current generation, then we must also conclude that the great wealth reaped from those crimes – which facilitated Europe’s and North America’s primitive accumulation of capital and world dominance today – should also not belong to the descendants of slave-owners and colonists.

Why couldn’t and shouldn’t the billions now spent on policing, intimidating, and repressing the Haitian people be invested in the Haitian police, agriculture, education, and healthcare? This is what most Haitians ask today.

Europe should support, not the sending of UN troops, but the restitution for Haiti’s Independence Debt and just reparations for the crimes of slavery and colonialism. This would allow the Haitian people to rebuild their country as they see fit, not according to the blue-prints drawn up by multinational banks and foundations based in the former colonial and slave-owning nations. In short, restitution would allow self-determination.

The restitution of the independence debt imposed on Haiti by France in 1825 is the one fair and lasting solution to Haiti’s grinding poverty. The debt dwarfs current aid commitments and its payment would allow Haitians to develop their economy without the attached strings that keep poor countries dependent on international aid.

Haiti won its independence from France in 1804, through a bloody 12-year war, becoming the second independent country in the Americas and the only nation in history born of a successful slave revolt. But world powers forced Haiti to pay a second price for entrance into the international community. They refused to recognize Haiti’s independence, while French warships remained off its coasts, threatening to invade and reinstitute slavery.

After 21 years of resisting, Haiti capitulated to France‘s terms: in exchange for diplomatic recognition, Haiti’s government agreed to compensate French plantation owners for their loss of “property,” including the freed slaves; compensation to be paid with a loan from a designated French bank. The debt was ten times Haiti‘s total 1825 revenue and twice what the United States paid France in 1803 for the Louisiana Purchase, which contained seventy-four times more land.

The debt was a crushing burden on Haiti’s economy. The government was forced to redirect all economic activity to repay it. A huge percentage of government revenues—80 percent in some years—went to debt service, at the expense of investment in education, healthcare and infrastructure. The tax code and other laws channeled private and public enterprise to export crops such as tropical hardwoods and sugar which brought in foreign currency for the bank but left the mountainsides barren, the soil depleted and the population hungry.

Haiti did not pay off the independence debt until 1947. Over a century after the global slave trade was eliminated as the evil it was, Haitians were still paying their ancestors’ masters for their freedom. After the debt was paid, Haitians were left with a chronically undeveloped economy, rampant poverty, and a spent land — today relatively minor environmental stresses like tropical storms cause catastrophic damage in vulnerable Haiti.

Economic instability has engendered political instability. Haitians have endured more than 30 coups since 1825, and most of the resulting rulers have been malignant dictatorships. It has also engendered outsized vulnerability to natural disasters, as Haiti’s January 2010 earthquake demonstrated.

The independence debt was not only immoral and onerous, it was also illegal. In 1825 aggression and oppression did not violate international law, but the reintroduction of slavery — the threat underlying the debt agreement — did. It had been banned by three treaties that France had signed by 1815.

If the international community really wants to help Haiti, repayment of the independence debt will be at the top of the agenda, not off the table. A just repayment of the independence debt, by contrast, would allow Haiti to develop the way today’s wealthy countries did — based on national priorities set inside the country. It would also right a historical wrong, and set a strong example of a powerful country respecting the rule of law with respect to a less powerful country.

Sincerely,

Mario Joseph, Av.
Managing Attorney
Bureau des Avocats Internationaux

Brian Concannon Jr., Esq.
Director
Institute for Justice & Democracy in Haiti

HAITI: Independence Debt, Reparations for Slavery and Colonialism, and International “Aid” | Global Research
 

greydread

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That is a highly inaccurate video. They can't even get the climate right- the dryness in Haiti is man-made not because they are in the lee side of the mountains.

You'll need to take that issue up with the author. The point of the posting is to illustrate the disinformation campaign in the USA which is attempting to shift blame for Haitians' current conditions away from US government policy of promoting the destabilization of their government. Our government is leading the charge in throwing the Dominican government under the bus of international public opinion.
 

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Where they paying for their freedom or the slice of the island they took? If they were paying for the land it doesnt sound nearly as bad. What if the slaves took Mississippi etc when they were freed?
 

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Seems like an easy rebuttal. . "Your country is 100?s larger then the DR and ypur culture has kissed their asses for decades. Take them all to your shores"
 

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Where they paying for their freedom or the slice of the island they took? If they were paying for the land it doesnt sound nearly as bad. What if the slaves took Mississippi etc when they were freed?

The reparations were paid in return for establishment of access to European commodity markets and the end of economic isolation.

How much did the USA pay in reparation to the British?
 

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Seems like an easy rebuttal. . "Your country is 100?s larger then the DR and ypur culture has kissed their asses for decades. Take them all to your shores"

US Immigration has been turning away half capsized boats full of half dead Haitians for as long as I can remember. They won't say it publicly but the U.S. government wants a "One Nation" settlement on Hispaniola.
 

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US Immigration has been turning away half capsized boats full of half dead Haitians for as long as I can remember. They won't say it publicly but the U.S. government wants a "One Nation" settlement on Hispaniola.

That is the intent. The DR is under tremendous pressure once again but we shall see what happens this time..
 

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Where is the proof that the US is trying to force the DR to adopt Haiti? Im not saying its untruthful, just asking where?
 

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Dominicans need to beware of the schemes that are being laid out and not fall in the traps.

it is the Dominicans who are unaware of the machinations who will never allow it to come to pass. the politicians will find themselves hanging from trees if the common man feels they are selling out.
 

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That is the intent. The DR is under tremendous pressure once again but we shall see what happens this time..

U.S. intent should be transparent by now. Don't get me wrong, I love America but the problem with it is all the Americans who are too quick to believe official stories that just don't add up.

We laugh about countries like D.R. and Haiti where officials steal $100s but ignore our own stealing millions and billions.
 

greydread

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it is the Dominicans who are unaware of the machinations who will never allow it to come to pass. the politicians will find themselves hanging from trees if the common man feels they are selling out.

Unfortunately, the US can pacify the common man by plunging them into the same conditions found in Haiti with the stroke of a pen. Look to your North. Nobody is allowed to mess with the "leaders" whom Uncle Sam has chosen for them.