Helping Aeromar to get back on their feet.

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Any Ideas or suggestions that anybody might have to help Aeromar on their current situation?
 

aviastar

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that's a very difficult question, thinking that they will do the way they like to, not the way airlines do, it is not easy.

First of all they have to pay all debts and then understand that after they analyze their performance, they should understand that their only way is to operate during high season STI JFK and SDQ JFK flight. They must get real, forget about astronomic plans and hire professional managers, not charlatans.
 

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I do understand that they should operate STI/SDQ-JFK but if they do on high season, do you think thats going to help after all the kaos they have created for the past month or do you think that the dominican market will forgive them. Do you think that the D.R. market will support them after all this. Remember that ASD is a big competition and is already serving the market 7 days a week with only 3 1/2 months on the market. Aeromar has been on the market for more than a year and now operating only 2 times per week.
 

aviastar

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this is what I was talking about all the time, exactly, but since this is a thread to get ideas how to save that airline, let's dream just a bit, but EX will finish them soon.
 

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So you are saying EX vs BQ?

What's the difference between both companies? Should we start a new Thread?
 

aviastar

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EX has extremely professional management, good strategy, a lot of money, they work in a right direction. They don't try to conquer astromomic plans, like BQ does, and passenger like them, 100% ontime performance, excellent service etc.
 

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look at the topic and get back to it quickly or this thread will be terminated.

the thread is how to help Aeromar

want to talk about something else..start a new thread

thank you
 

eli

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How to help Aeromar

Let's see we can start by limiting the amount of flights of the foreing carriers operate into the D.R. so they can equal the amount flown by the Local carriers including the ______Dom's we can consider them locals for this excersice.

By subsidising the local airlines operation by a giving them nearly 30 billion in relief funds and that way they can unethically compete with the foreing carriers which operate into the D.R. But being realistic with this point the government instead of raising taxes every two months to the local carriers they can very well legislate to reduce airport costs and fuel surcharges for the local carriers as most of the latin american countries have done.

Let's see, let's see ohh i got a good one by perhaps legislating that AERODOM either pay up the 203 million which was supposed to pay within the first three years of their concession contract or give back what was handed to them on a silver platter, this way they may be able to stop harrasing the local carriers about paying in hard currency and at the rate they want.

OK let,s see oh yes of course last but most certainly not in the least management, i'll start with airline i think it is very necesary that Aeromar gets real airline oriented management, maybe some people here may think i'm not the best qualified to judge that but given the last few months turn of events any four year old kid can tell you that. And of course as i've said it many times before the D.R. needs responsible officials that represent the public by hiring the right personell to work for DGAC and do the proper survaillance on the local carriers but furthermore due the right job to get this country out of cat 2* and stop tending to their own personal agendas and traveling on private jets taking kickbacks from everybody.
 

aviastar

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right, but the question is, do they need to move forward? I don't think so. This airline was a good cargo carrier, but the day the decided to move passenger by same rules as cargo they failed. There is no solution for Aeromar, and the only way is to change their name, now everybody knows about its real face, so people will be afraid to fly with Aeromar. The only solution is to operate real markets, not astronomic plans like today to fly with Falcon, tomorrow with Icelandair and then to hire for 2 weeks 747 from Air Atlanta, airline is a stability, it is that simple. Aeromar is not able to become low coast airline, so they should provide the same level they see at their competitors, like AA or CO. Aeromar must abandon SDQ MIA route, it is ridiculous to fly 3-4 times a week where the biggest airline of the world flies 4 daily flights. They have to forget about SDQ SJU plnas and abandon SDQ HAV dream, HAV will never work, there are zillion reasons and if they pretend to be a real airline they should know them, those reasons will never leave them the way clear to HAV.

There is no way to save it, maybe for temporary operations, like DEC-JAn, but what will happen to Aeromar in March 2004, and then SEP will come, so what a roller coast.
 

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you may be correct in some aspect however i must disagree with you in other, like you are posting as if it were the first time that Aeromar has done this and you also say that people are going to be afraid, to tell you the truth they haven't been afraid before when they have done this and they won't be afraid in March when they do it again because in the end what people look for is to save some money even if it means suffering a little and you specially know that since you sound like you have been involved in this industry long enough. Besides they have now been taken over by Air Altlanta at least their flight ops and with an Air Atlanta full time auditor so he can account for all the income related to their operation.(no funny business)
 

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One moment please!

I want say Aeromar is doing very well on service, on time performance last high season from June till September! Full Aircrafts, on time, good service, only the standard problem what the most airlines have, luggage!

The problem is Aeromar need also to fly in low season has scheduled or fly 1 daily as AirSantoDomingo is doing

Caribbean routes that are operating is only Aruba and Caracas on Thursday and Sunday, Havana will continue on 21 of November and Curacao 4th December.

Puerto Rico must come because they have a B737-300 leased to use the aircraft for SJU and MIA. If BQ dont fly to SJU BQ will do the old itinerary to MIA in B763 as Summer 2002.

Paying DEBTS is not to resolve the problems if BQ can pay de debts time by time! Debts have all airlines! Paying Debts is not the way to improve the service!

Aeromar has also a lot of money but with the economic crisis and 11-9-2001.

Air Santo Domingo is also new on the market but we need to wait were they will go!

Aeromar need to continue they good performance as this summer 2003.

Aeromar is the second airline that transport the most passengers in the DR after American Airlines!
 

aviastar

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Samana, why are you in Holland then, why don't you come to help Ryan to get this thing on its wings, at appears that you are the only one who knows how. And your comments about outstanding performance during June-August period don't make sence, airlines are ment to fly all year, not 3 months a year, ok.
 

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Aeromar..needs something..

I tried to get flight prices from Aeromar for 1 month out..can not get any flight info..not available..Seems to be the ONLY airline I checked with that problem..I was asking for flight info for Nov/December..It could not produce..:( PAM