The Mirabal Sisters

[Ogre of the Caribbean]

I think asopaos is mixing things up. There was a "Dominican" people before 1844. The Spanish were here before the French, there was a group of people on the other side of the island who were not just Spanish speaking "Haitians" looking for some kind of national identity to latch onto. I've discussed this before...

Pennies? Trujillo bribed the Haitian elite with more than just pennies. The story of the Haitian elite is actually much more unpleasant than just bribery.

None of the bad soldiers were punished for 1937, and none of the Haitians soldiers ever stood trial for the massacres of Dominicans in the past. What of it? You're opening a Pandora's box that need not be open. What's next, reparations for the Haitians? Who would pay that? This is getting out of hand. Why not just buy a plot of land and erect a monument yourself? I really don't see how all this is going to help the present situation. People on this island have been doing bad things to each other for a long time. This Oprah Winrey "National healing" garbage is best left to the Americans.

 

[A.Hidalgo]

What's next, reparations for the Haitians? Who would pay that?

Joel can you expand on the following information. Was there some kind of reparation after the massacre or not.

In the end, Haiti's President Vincent, sought reparations of $750,000 of which only $525,000 were ever paid and Trujillo began to develop the borderlands to more closely link them with urban areas.[12] These areas were modernized with the addition of state of the art hospitals, schools, political headquarters, military barracks and housing projects as well as a highway to connect the borderlands to major cities.

Parsley Massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[NALs]

Because that's the sad reality of DR, tiguere. If the sisters were " prietas" with " pelo malo", i bet you you wouldn't even hear about them.

You mean the way Gregorio Luper?n is not remembered... oh, wait a minute....

there is a prieto with pelo malo that is, no... it can't be.... remembered in the most heroically way possible???? I mean, streets are named after him, monuments of him are in many places, he is given a good amount of attention in the history books.

So much for your "prietos with pelo malo are ignored in Dominican history" assumption. :tired:

Montro, you still keep mixing apples and oranges when it comes to history. If you talking about Dessalines, there wasn't even Dominicans back then !
:tired: DR wasn't a State yet. The " Spanish-speaking Eastern Hispaniolans", what racist hispanophiles want to call " Dominicans" before 1844 to encite nationalism for their advantage, many were collaborating with Ferrand, in making incursions into Haiti to " kidnap children and sell them into slavery". You tell me, why I didn't see that written down on my history book when i was a kid??

Um, did you ever read that before the Dominican state was created, the colony was called Santo Domingo and the inhabitants were referred to as Dominicanos because of the "Domingo" part of the Santo Domingo name of the colony?

Of course not, because had you been acquainted with how the colony came to be and what its inhabitants were called WAY IN THE 1600s AND 1700s, you would've understand where the name DOMINICAN came from, hence the name Dominican Republic, as in the Republic of the Dominicans, los dominicanos. No one ever referred to Santo Domingo residents as Santo Domingans, it was always Dominicanos.

Get your historical facts straight!

As for the rest of your comments, well, get some of that self-hatred out of your system and become acquainted with the history of this island before we can talk again. :tired::tired:

-NALs

 

[NALs]

I think asopaos is mixing things up. There was a "Dominican" people before 1844. The Spanish were here before the French, there was a group of people on the other side of the island who were not just Spanish speaking "Haitians" looking for some kind of national identity to latch onto. I've discussed this before...

Pennies? Trujillo bribed the Haitian elite with more than just pennies. The story of the Haitian elite is actually much more unpleasant than just bribery.

None of the bad soldiers were punished for 1937, and none of the Haitians soldiers ever stood trial for the massacres of Dominicans in the past. What of it? You're opening a Pandora's box that need not be open. What's next, reparations for the Haitians? Who would pay that? This is getting out of hand. Why not just buy a plot of land and erect a monument yourself? I really don't see how all this is going to help the present situation. People on this island have been doing bad things to each other for a long time. This Oprah Winrey "National healing" garbage is best left to the Americans.

Amen!

-NALs

 

[2LeftFeet]

It's a shame that this thread about the Mirabal sisters veered off on the tangent that it did. It should have been to honor them rather than talk about why "they" got something and someone else didn't.

I feel that it was disrespectful. I don't think the ladies were given their do here.

I think that a new thread should have been started if a new topic needed to be debated.

Who knows how they would've been treated if they had "pelo malo" they didn't so we will never know now will we? You can speculate all you want but the reality is..... we will never know!

 

[Ogre of the Caribbean]

Joel can you expand on the following information. Was there some kind of reparation after the massacre or not.



Parsley Massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Well, there really is not that much to discuss here. The reparations paid out at the time were a pittance, and in the end the Haitian government accepted a discounted sum.

I don't recommend Wiki for history lessons...

I think the Dominican government can honor the events and people it chooses to. Just like the Haitian government.

I think a memorial of somekind could be used to imply collective guilt in genocide, which would be untrue. I think a genocide memorial would be nothing but a backdrop for future Sonia Pierre press conferences.

Do you think the Haitian government would build memorials for the massacres of Dominicans?

Why even bother with all of this. Some things are better left to history books. The last thing the DR needs to to give more ammo to the hard core anti-Dominican lobby.

 

[A.Hidalgo]

It's a shame that this thread about the Mirabal sisters veered off on the tangent that it did. It should have been to honor them rather than talk about why "they" got something and someone else didn't.

I feel that it was disrespectful. I don't think the ladies were given their do here.

I think that a new thread should have been started if a new topic needed to be debated.

Who knows how they would've been treated if they had "pelo malo" they didn't so we will never know now will we? You can speculate all you want but the reality is..... we will never know!

I agree. I who started this thread kind of veered off myself. Follow the link for some history of the sisters.

The Mirabal Sisters

 

[Norma Rosa]

It's a shame that this thread about the Mirabal sisters veered off on the tangent that it did. It should have been to honor them rather than talk about why "they" got something and someone else didn't.

I feel that it was disrespectful. I don't think the ladies were given their do here.

Amen.

This could had been a wonderful thread about the Mirabal sisters. Why was it allowed to go on a tangent?

 

[alicious]

The movie is ok, but it is not as powerful as the book. Please read it. It is one of my favourite books. I could not put it down.

I have this book, and I LOVE it!
I've read it a few times.

It makes me cry...

 

[NALs]

It's a shame that this thread about the Mirabal sisters veered off on the tangent that it did. It should have been to honor them rather than talk about why "they" got something and someone else didn't.

I feel that it was disrespectful. I don't think the ladies were given their do here.

I think that a new thread should have been started if a new topic needed to be debated.

Who knows how they would've been treated if they had "pelo malo" they didn't so we will never know now will we? You can speculate all you want but the reality is..... we will never know!

Agree 100%.

I think the Mirabal sisters are still remembered mostly due to the surviving sister, Ded?. She has been the most persistent voice in commemorating her sisters. Had she also been a victim, who knows how much of the Mirabal sisters would still be in the collective memory of all Dominicans.

-NALs

 

[A.Hidalgo]

Minou Tavarez Mirabal the eldest daughter of Minerva Mirabal, has been a congresswoman since 1998 and has recently been reelected for four additional years (until 2010). One of the sons of Dede Mirabal (the surviving one) Jaime David Fernandez Mirabal, served as the vice-president during Leonel Fern?ndez's first term as president of the republic between the years of 1996 and 2000.

Good to see their descendants involved in the affairs of the country they died for.

Mirabal sisters - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Criss Colon]

"Jaime David" Is Just Another Crook!

He is "Involved",but not for the good of the Dominican People!
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[asopao]

You mean the way Gregorio Luper?n is not remembered... oh, wait a minute....

there is a prieto with pelo malo that is, no... it can't be.... remembered in the most heroically way possible???? I mean, streets are named after him, monuments of him are in many places, he is given a good amount of attention in the history books.

So much for your "prietos with pelo malo are ignored in Dominican history" assumption. :tired:

Here we go again mixing apples with oranges. Luper?n couldn't be " swept" under the rug,because he was just " too big" to fit under it. I admit that I went " overboard" saying that Mirabal Sisters were given lots of attention because there were " blanquitas". But no way you can compare Luperon, btw, where is " provincia Luperon" at? :tired:

We have " provincia Sanchez Ramirez", who was Sanchez Ramirez? a racist that returned the colony back to Spain in 1809. ( Ciriaco wanted independence),but this bastard wanted to maintain the slavery status-quo. Yet, he deserves to have a " province" named after him. I don't think Minerva Mirabal is happy that she is sharing the honor of having a province named after her with some piece of **** like Sanchez Ramirez. :tired: trust me.

Have you found a street named " Sebastian Lemba" yet? I guess he was too small, so he can fit under a rug, he can be hidden :ermm:

We've talked about " naming of streets, provinces,etc" before on another thread.

Um, did you ever read that before the Dominican state was created, the colony was called Santo Domingo and the inhabitants were referred to as Dominicanos because of the "Domingo" part of the Santo Domingo name of the colony?

Of course not, because had you been acquainted with how the colony came to be and what its inhabitants were called WAY IN THE 1600s AND 1700s, you would've understand where the name DOMINICAN came from, hence the name Dominican Republic, as in the Republic of the Dominicans, los dominicanos. No one ever referred to Santo Domingo residents as Santo Domingans, it was always Dominicanos.

Get your historical facts straight!

Oh yeah, so what did Jose Nu?ez de Caceres called himself when he declared what we now now as " independencia efimera" on December1,1821? " haitiano espa?ol"?

The term " Dominican" is much more than just being some ramdom Spanish-Speaking Mulatto with a Spanish surname eating platanos back in 1812. :tired: Dominican is a concept, based on Juan Pablo Duarte's Trinitaria movement. Is a concept on freedom, and that freedom not only meant sovereigty from any foreign nation ( Spain, France,Haiti), but also, for the abandoment of the institution of slavery !

So, tell me, during the " Unitedstatian Revolutionary War", would you consider the " loyalists" fighting on the side of Great Britain as " Unitedstatians"??, just because they have the same English surnames, culture as Washington and Jefferson??

What about those " vendepatrias" that sold DR to Spain in 1861, they were " Dominicans" too? because they they spoke Dominican Spanish and eating platanos?? :tired:

Montro, " Dominican" is the whole package that came with Duarte and La Trinitaria, before then, NOT everybody were calling themselves " Dominicans". That is bs. Ask Nu?ez de Caceres, ok :tired:

As for the rest of your comments, well, get some of that self-hatred out of your system and become acquainted with the history of this island before we can talk again. :tired::tired:

You need to look into the PHILOSOPHY of history. Not what some " babosos brainwashers want you to believe. Btw, have you read those books that I told you?

"Race and politics in DR", and " En Busca del Pueblo Dominicano"??

 

[A.Hidalgo]

Dude talk about hijacking a thread. You have the right to be contrarian all you want, but please start your own topic somewhere else.

 

[AZB]

mirabal family still has a strong hand in salcedo. They practically own the whole town, influence wise. They have a very close relation with the people in the area and almost everyone knows the remaining sister and her son jaime David (ex vice president). Jaime david still holds some important political position in salcedo city and can be seen on the streets talking to people almost everyday. His mom is also seen riding in a huge SUV all over the town. They are very respected folks and people actually like them alot and support them all the way. I knew Maria teresa's daughter who was raised by the remining living sister (mother of Jaime david). She is a wonderful lady and lives in Puerto Plata. Jaime david is also a nice guy and always takes time out to meet and listen to people, even when he was the vice president. I have met him on several occasions, he has always taken time out to chat with us. the last time I met him was in salcedo a few months ago. He gave us a personal tour of some street painting regarding the history and culture of salcedo.
AZB

 

[bob saunders]

My wife has some picture with and of the Mirabel children of the Hemanas Mirabel as they came to Jarabacoa often where one of their uncles had a pharmacy. Jacqueline is a good friend of my wife's. The family used to own much of Jarabacoa but sold most long ago and immigrated to the states. The has been a street in Jarabacoa named after the Mirabels for many years, leading from the Parke to Medina Area. Part of the Mirabel's problem was that they were socialists. This alone would have had them on the opposite side of El Jefe.

 

[Ogre of the Caribbean]

Have the Mirabal Sisters bank notes been issued yet?

 

[Chirimoya]

Yes, I saw one a couple of weeks ago. In fact, it was DR1 member juanita who showed it to me.

Sad news involving the Mirabal family in the papers this morning:

Noticias - Un muerto en accidente con yipeta de Jaime David

 

[A.Hidalgo]

Sad indeed for the Mirabal family but especially for the dead woman. Dede Mirabal suffered an injury to her wrist but expected to recuperate.

http://www.elcaribecdn.com/articulo...d=A5B366F278244F4791411A1AEC659026&Seccion=70

 

[NALs]

Last response to Asopao.

Asopao, you should be nicknamed "The Contrarian".

There are plenty more blacks and mulattos that are recognized in various history books, among history buffs, and many have plenty of streets and parks and even a bust or two in their honor.

Ever heard of these (they are all remembered in one way or another and in their respective endevours in life, some are more recent than others):

Jorge Kingsley
Ulises Heureaux
Abelardo G?mez
Harry Gilbert
Rufino Mart?nez
Prof. Jos? Brice?o
Juan Lockward
F?lix La Hoz
Jos? Franc?sco Pe?a G?mez
Jos? Tam?rez Mateo
Juan Marichal
Jhonny Ventura
Franc?sco del Rosario S?nchez
Maria Trinidad S?nchez

There are many more that don't come to mind at the moment.

Stop believing everything you read and do your own research.

Here is a tip, next time you are in the DR; write down the names of people that grace many of the streets, particularly of the capital; parks, notice many of the busts, etc. You will be surprised at the findings regarding this subtopic.

Learn your history well.

I won't respond to this subtopic anymore, so if you want to continue the discussion, take it to PM.

-NALs