The Venezuelan Lesson

[bob saunders]

Chavez is too soft on the exploitive parasites.....Fidel did a better job at cleaning his country up.... The left is growing throughout Latin America, intellectuals are mostly leftist, and normal people are getting into it too. Look at the growth of the left in Bolivia, Peru, Ecuador, Uruguay, Argentina, Nicaragua...etc. The only anti-Chavez camp is again the Yank stooges and economic refugees in the US who have dreams of going back and exploiting their people...... Well, news flash! Wonderful capitalism is the very reason why those economic refugees had to leave in the first place!

So Gallorojo, since you have plenty to say about all the problems foreigners cause in the DR you must have some CONCRETE solutions. Anyone can blame others and complain. It's one thing to say let us Dominicans solve our own problems but I've yet to read anything with substance come off your keyboard. Let's hear your solutions to the DR woes not a bunch of inane leftest verbal diarrea. There so many wonderful examples of communist success, it shouldn't be hard for you to find one to use as an example, NOT.

 

[goatfarmnga]

OK XR is not who you think he is...

OK Gallorojo..I was defending you before... much to my dismay you are a little off with many of your comments..Wait until XR and the rest get back on here you will be bombarded with intelligence..These people are well "READ" and will give you a go for your money so be ready..You are passionate about the people of DR but you are living/studying in Mexico? Support the DR Universities and help the DR yourself.. Pam

 

[gallorojo]

DR should follow the social models of General Velasco who became president of Peru in 1975, his social reforms gave minorities something like affirmative action......the DR could use such a movement to make better conditions for the poor rural people......make quotas for people from teh countryside into higher education, etc.....

Follow the economic policies of the PRI in Mexico during the 1930's, in 10 years they took Mexico out feudalism and into a well centralized economy.....

Immitate the Bolivian land reforms of 1953 and give subsidies and aid to farmers, start coops..... This move has prevented the Bolivian highlanders from suffering like their neighbours in Peru across the border....

Lastly, follow the Brazilian model of Lula, Latin American integration to help fund social and economic reforms rather than the IMF or the US.....

Venezuela is doing exactly this with the Bolivarian Revolution.....OK, so our economy and infrastructure is not as developed as theirs, and they have a more dedicated government.......but speaking in theory, if I were president this is the model I would follow......

What is your plan???

 

[Tony C]

Peru, Bolivia, Mexico? Are you high?

Lula sucess in Brazil can be directly attributed to the US. First he moderated his socialists ideal which encouraged direct US investement. Then he stepped back and rode the wave of the US economic upturn.
I can imagine a DR without the US. It would be a workers paradise like Cuba but not as wealthy.
Shouldn't you be making Hammocks?

 

[goatfarmnga]

WOW GALLOROJO...

Is now Diablorojo.. Pam

 

[Chris]

The left is growing throughout Latin America, intellectuals are mostly leftist, and normal people are getting into it too .

italics are mine

This must get the prize for the most inane comment of the day! Was it Pib that was handing out toasters?

 

[Porfio_Rubirosa]

Post deleted. Too whacky.

 

[thepiper]

I must stand up for normal people throughout Latin America and say:

I am hungry feed me please, I dont care if you are from the right, the left or outerspace HELP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Texas Bill]

What ever happened to Subsistance Farming???

When I was growing up, duringthe Depression Years, in the USA, we ALWAYS grew our vegetables on a plot of land close to the house. And we weren't the only ones. Other people whose incomes didn't provide enough for a good diet did the same thing. We grew enough veggies to can and had enough of that, plus the small potato crop, to sustain us thru the winter and on until the next growing season was harvested. In the meantime, we would pool any ready cash, get with others and buy a cow/pig, slaughter and can that also.
That's what poor people do when there is very little to no cash around to buy their "daily bread"! I don't see any subsistance farming anywhere in the DR, or elsewhere in Latin America for that matter.
Are the people just too damn lazy to do a little work for themselves, then whine to the government to feed them or what??
As to the post above about "feed me", i have to say that someting is wrong with the mind-set of the population of Latin America if all the "poor" people (that reads, 75-90% of the population) do is sit around expecting the government to feed their lazy asses.
If they live in the city, there are plenty of vacant areas along the streams and rivers to grow crops. Areas that aren't taken up by "squatters", that is.

This is the MAIN problem Socialistic Societies have! The people have been led to believe and depend on the "Guv'ment" to provide them with birth to death support. That is criminal, in and of itself. it destroys ambition and self preservation.And, for everyones information, it is physically, financially and philosophicaly impossible to do that for any size population.

But, the popiticians just don't see the mess they are making. They're only interested in making it through the next election and extending their tenure so the good times keep rolling in.

So, you see it's NOT the fault of the "haves" 100%. The "have-nots" contribute a majority of the negative aspects all by themselves.
So, who do you blame? The "guv'ment" for leading the people into such an attitude, the people themselves for not seeing through the simplicity of such, or the "Haves" for cornering the money?

Think about it long and hard. Be honest in your logic. Don't rationalize the answer to one you would like, but to the truth.

We live in an imperfect world, alonside imperfect people and philosophies and we must make it the best way we can. No matter what.

Texas Bill

 

[NALs]

When I was growing up, duringthe Depression Years, in the USA, we ALWAYS grew our vegetables on a plot of land close to the house. And we weren't the only ones. Other people whose incomes didn't provide enough for a good diet did the same thing. We grew enough veggies to can and had enough of that, plus the small potato crop, to sustain us thru the winter and on until the next growing season was harvested. In the meantime, we would pool any ready cash, get with others and buy a cow/pig, slaughter and can that also.
That's what poor people do when there is very little to no cash around to buy their "daily bread"! I don't see any subsistance farming anywhere in the DR, or elsewhere in Latin America for that matter.
Are the people just too damn lazy to do a little work for themselves, then whine to the government to feed them or what??
As to the post above about "feed me", i have to say that someting is wrong with the mind-set of the population of Latin America if all the "poor" people (that reads, 75-90% of the population) do is sit around expecting the government to feed their lazy asses.
If they live in the city, there are plenty of vacant areas along the streams and rivers to grow crops. Areas that aren't taken up by "squatters", that is.

This is the MAIN problem Socialistic Societies have! The people have been led to believe and depend on the "Guv'ment" to provide them with birth to death support. That is criminal, in and of itself. it destroys ambition and self preservation.And, for everyones information, it is physically, financially and philosophicaly impossible to do that for any size population.

But, the popiticians just don't see the mess they are making. They're only interested in making it through the next election and extending their tenure so the good times keep rolling in.

So, you see it's NOT the fault of the "haves" 100%. The "have-nots" contribute a majority of the negative aspects all by themselves.
So, who do you blame? The "guv'ment" for leading the people into such an attitude, the people themselves for not seeing through the simplicity of such, or the "Haves" for cornering the money?

Think about it long and hard. Be honest in your logic. Don't rationalize the answer to one you would like, but to the truth.

We live in an imperfect world, alonside imperfect people and philosophies and we must make it the best way we can. No matter what.

Texas Bill

See, this is what I like about Texas Bill.

Whenever he post something, it's the truth!

I has been said that the average Dominican changes his/her way of thinking the moment they reach the US or Europe and live overthere for a while. I suppose, what changes in them is this expectation of the government doing everything for them and blaming the government for their own failures, as oppose to blaming themselves that they took a road that was wet and they slipped and fell.

Even here on DR1, from time to time you read posts by Dominicans saying "I've lived in Europe or US, but I returned to the DR because there is no place like home" or something on those lines.

Notice, they need to leave the country in order to realize that the government will NOT solve all of their problems and if they want to advance in life, they have to do it on their own. But, many Dominicans only come to rationalize with such idea once they leave the country and realize that most (though not all of the problems) lies within themselves, while they were whinning and complaining about the government.

It's one thing to demand for the government to pave a road, its another to demand for the road to be cleaned when you yourself could clean it with ease.

Good post TB!

-NAL

 

[Exxtol]

Why not edit the post, rather than delete it?

This is to the moderator of this board.........why not edit the posts rather than delete it in its entirety. Race aside we were having a debate........I saw no need for all of my threads and others contributions to be deleted. Aside from the slight deviation that comes up in ANY forum on this site, I saw nothing that solicited the deletion of our posts. Moderator of this board, can you pm me when you get a chance. thanks.

 

[Robert]

This is to the moderator of this board.........why not edit the posts rather than delete it in its entirety. Race aside we were having a debate........I saw no need for all of my threads and others contributions to be deleted. Aside from the slight deviation that comes up in ANY forum on this site, I saw nothing that solicited the deletion of our posts. Moderator of this board, can you pm me when you get a chance. thanks.

Because some of us have enough to do without wasting time selectively editing posts because someone didn't follow the rules.

 

[Exxtol]

Because some of us have enough to do without wasting time selectively editing posts because someone didn't follow the rules.

whoops meant to pm you again.