Shalena didn't read Ayn Rand, SHE ATE ONE OF HER BOOKS! and is here with an indigestion puking all this nonsense; no education for kids because they are illegal?, no medical care for women delivering babies?.
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Shalena didn't read Ayn Rand, SHE ATE ONE OF HER BOOKS! and is here with an indigestion puking all this nonsense; no education for kids because they are illegal?, no medical care for women delivering babies?.
No medical care for pregnant women.........praise be to who?..............hmmmmm, now I understand.
Illegal immigration should be stopped at all cost, but until we do let's look at the bright side, at least illegal aliens aren't poisoning the native to steal their land.
And as always with your posts, GringoCArlos, you got me thinking. I'm a Brit. living in the DR several years - there are 'abuses' of the British system by immigrants, allegedly, but does it get me hopping mad? No; just not a priority to get mad about, never really was. And yes, I'm still a UK tax-payer.
I'll tell you one thing, though. I hope I don't see any of the people I trained to be social workers in UK, venting in a similar fashion about clients misusing access to social work facilities, because, if I did, I would have to question my own ability as a trainer. Somewhere along the line, I would have failed to teach the appropriate place to vent, like maybe a professional association. And perhaps the appropriate place to receive support, if one issue is masking another. And that's where you got me thinking, GringoCArlos. If the OP had been about that (another one of the caring professions and my country of origin) what would I do about the ex-student. So, thank you, GC, for making me think.
I personally know a dominican girl who has done or is planning to do the very same thing. She constantly brags about it and is the envy of the neighborhood. She is anything but rich and probably will only have a few hundred dollars to her name after she lands in the States. Then again, how much do you need if you have a cousin there and food, maybe a taxi ride to the hospital? Therefore, the money can be used to buy prendas and clothes to sell back here. True story.
I doubt it, rather she is proposing that the immigration laws be reveiewed or the process is scrutinized better to prevent abuses such as this.
So dear Chip when she says;
"no one without a Social Security number should be receiving Medicaid or WIC. Period...no one without a SS# should be receiving food stamps. No one here on any kind of VISA should be getting any sort of Social Services. Period."
or
"and I just feel that if you are sponsored to be here "visiting", you should not be getting free health care,"
what do you think she is suggesting they do?
I would understand her incoherent rant if she had limited it to people not getting visa to drop babies, but trying to deny women the care they need to safely deliver babies?, and this coming from a nerd?.....I mean a nurse?.
These people are probably too stupid to grasp that "donde yo compro tambien venden", and that once the US stop providing aliens with at least emergency care the rest of the world would retaliate in the same fashion and then what?, what if Americans find themselves unconscious, bleeding in emergency rooms all around the world and unable to pay for medical care?.
What is the abuse Chip?? To give birth on the US government wallet, or to go to the USA to give their child the US citizenship?
I really find these posts complaining about immigration to the US bothersome and hypocritical specially coming from people who have emigrated to my country, the DR. "El burro diciendole oreju al conejo".
Does the law really state that you're automatically an American citizen if you're born in the States??? That's crazy! Surely the nationality of your parents is more important than the country in which you were born!
I hope these laws will be changed (updated!!) in the near future!
I hope these laws will be changed (updated!!) in the near future!
Birth right is an issue in many countries, the U.S. and D.R. included.Does the law really state that you're automatically an American citizen if you're born in the States??? That's crazy! Surely the nationality of your parents is more important than the country in which you were born!
I hope these laws will be changed (updated!!) in the near future!
With the abuse of such growing more and more.
The D.R has a major problem with the Haitians mainly.
The U.S. has the problem with many nationalities then just one major one.
As you can read from the posts here, some here just don't like ANY ex-pats in the D.R. But it's okay for Dominicans to be ex-pats in other countries. That is the issue they keep pushing in their responses, using this thread as their venting tool.
I support access to get urgent medical care even if you can not pay.
I am not here to rant on ex-pats in the U.S., D.R. or any other country.
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Sorry to disagree Millesa, but what about the American dream???
What about:
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me.
I lift my lamp beside the golden door."
What about about kids born to parents who are in the US, but of foreign birth, during their 8 or 10 or 14 year struggle to get papers and/or citizenship? Waddaya gonna do - keep the parents who may be from Turkmenistan but are in the process of getting their papers, but deport the new kid until the kid gets his own dam visa?? Or let the kid jump the line and get his papers fast, along with his parents??? Or just forget the foolish exercise altogether, and give the kid US citizenship immediately for being born in the Land of the Free?
And what's wrong with a kid who was born to illegals in another country then sponsoring his parents to become legal residents of that country? That's playing by the rules too. If you don't like the rules, then vote and get others in office to rewrite the rules and get them approved by the lawmakers.
An equal, but opposite approach would be to outlaw all immigration laws worldwide, and let things sort themselves out in time. Sure, maybe a billion or so people would immediately head for the US or the UK, but after a year or two there and realizing that the streets AREN'T paved with gold, they would go home on their own. It sure would be entertaining to those of us on the outside looking in.
One thing is for sure - it would eliminate a lot of government employment in MANY countries, which in itself might not be such a bad thing. Maybe they could rehire some of them to teach people civics, so that citizens knew their own country's laws as a citizen SHOULD.
A lot of the strident voices shouting "close the doors NOW!" seem to forget that one or two or three generations ago, their ancestors were welcomed with open arms to the US or the UK, or wherever, just as most people are now welcomed to the DR. America is a land of immigrants, but a lot of folks want to conveniently forget that fact, now that they are there. (excluding native Americans of course).
Perhaps the absolute worst are those "bluebloods" who claim "my ancestors came here on the Mayflower and they built America" but seem to forget their ancestors were also getting the heck out of Dodge then too, and arrived with very little, or else were privateers given special privileges or properties by a king giving away something he didn't own in the first place..
Now that they've got theirs, they are determined to stop anyone else who might be a threat to them. Why aren't they bellowing to just tear down the dam Statue of Liberty to stop the outsiders from even considering coming to America??
There are good people, as well as some bad ones, smart people as well as some axxholes, in every corner of this world. Everyone is a good person to me until they prove otherwise. I don't care where they were born, or where they live. Smart people will succeed wherever they go, and the dumb ones need the smart ones to look out for them.
I'll get off of my soap box now, and go lurk. I'll wait here for a response from SKing , or the Guy from Boston on YouTube.
What about:
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me.
I lift my lamp beside the golden door."
What about about kids born to parents who are in the US, but of foreign birth, during their 8 or 10 or 14 year struggle to get papers and/or citizenship? Waddaya gonna do - keep the parents who may be from Turkmenistan but are in the process of getting their papers, but deport the new kid until the kid gets his own dam visa?? Or let the kid jump the line and get his papers fast, along with his parents??? Or just forget the foolish exercise altogether, and give the kid US citizenship immediately for being born in the Land of the Free?
And what's wrong with a kid who was born to illegals in another country then sponsoring his parents to become legal residents of that country? That's playing by the rules too. If you don't like the rules, then vote and get others in office to rewrite the rules and get them approved by the lawmakers.
An equal, but opposite approach would be to outlaw all immigration laws worldwide, and let things sort themselves out in time. Sure, maybe a billion or so people would immediately head for the US or the UK, but after a year or two there and realizing that the streets AREN'T paved with gold, they would go home on their own. It sure would be entertaining to those of us on the outside looking in.
One thing is for sure - it would eliminate a lot of government employment in MANY countries, which in itself might not be such a bad thing. Maybe they could rehire some of them to teach people civics, so that citizens knew their own country's laws as a citizen SHOULD.
A lot of the strident voices shouting "close the doors NOW!" seem to forget that one or two or three generations ago, their ancestors were welcomed with open arms to the US or the UK, or wherever, just as most people are now welcomed to the DR. America is a land of immigrants, but a lot of folks want to conveniently forget that fact, now that they are there. (excluding native Americans of course).
Perhaps the absolute worst are those "bluebloods" who claim "my ancestors came here on the Mayflower and they built America" but seem to forget their ancestors were also getting the heck out of Dodge then too, and arrived with very little, or else were privateers given special privileges or properties by a king giving away something he didn't own in the first place..
Now that they've got theirs, they are determined to stop anyone else who might be a threat to them. Why aren't they bellowing to just tear down the dam Statue of Liberty to stop the outsiders from even considering coming to America??
There are good people, as well as some bad ones, smart people as well as some axxholes, in every corner of this world. Everyone is a good person to me until they prove otherwise. I don't care where they were born, or where they live. Smart people will succeed wherever they go, and the dumb ones need the smart ones to look out for them.
I'll get off of my soap box now, and go lurk. I'll wait here for a response from SKing , or the Guy from Boston on YouTube.
Does the law really state that you're automatically an American citizen if you're born in the States??? That's crazy! Surely the nationality of your parents is more important than the country in which you were born!
I hope these laws will be changed (updated!!) in the near future!
This gringos are sure funny people, how can possible be funny something that is based on the principles of Jus Solis, which is still recognized around the world by many many countries, specially those trying to increase their population through immigration aka "THE UNITED STATES".
Well, here (Scandinavia) a newborn baby takes on the nationality of the mother - no matter where the mother is from - and if the mother is in the process of applying for citizenship, then so is the baby. The baby will change citizenship when the mother does. What is wrong with that?
My parents worked in the States for a year a long time ago, and if I'd been born then, would that have made me American? Legally maybe, but Scandinavian by blood, heart and everything else! In my opinion, that's more important.
When a patient is admitted, their insurance information is taken by the registration secretary and that information is put in the chart, we ARE a hospital for God's sake. Most of the time, I don't even need to see their insurance information to know what it is because we can tell by who your Doctor is and where you received your prenatal care. Period.
As a Dominican now living in the U.S., I'm embarrassed and ashamed that so many Dominicans come to the U.S with the intention to get get on welfare and get free social services. It seems like these days, a lot more people are coming to the U.S. with the intent to get a free ride or engage in the drug trade, rather than work hard. They have a plan to head to the welfare/SS office as soon as they land. It makes us all look bad.
I don't know what the solution to the "Anchor baby" issue is..what if the law is changed and only kids born to U.S. citizens or legal residents automatically become citizens, what do you do when one parent is a U.S. citizen and the other is here illegally or on a visa? Do those kids get U.S. citizenship?
I don't know what the solution to the "Anchor baby" issue is..what if the law is changed and only kids born to U.S. citizens or legal residents automatically become citizens, what do you do when one parent is a U.S. citizen and the other is here illegally or on a visa? Do those kids get U.S. citizenship?
There is nothing really wrong with an immigrant coming to the US to have their baby. We just would prefer that they pay for it and not have us pay for having their baby. It is similar to fraud and abuse of our system and that is the problem. It is wrong and cannot be supported by any logical reasoning.
Do expats in the DR go to the hospital and have dominicans or the dominican govt take up their tab?
Do expats in the DR go to the hospital and have dominicans or the dominican govt take up their tab?
So you were lucky and that's all. Now because you were lucky that gives you the right to judge? You didn't even have to earn the right to have US citizenship and a better life through hard work like I did for instance. It doesn't make you morally superior to other people.
Look I'm not going to slam you like some other people here have. I kind of understand where you're coming from but then again not really. If this hospital was YOUR company and you were losing your own money then yes I would understand, but I'm sure you're getting paid the same amount of money (maybe even more and maybe even better opportunities for you because you now speak some Spanish) so I don't understand this moral judgement. I don't judge people because I don't know what I would do if in the same situation and had the opportunity to give my kids a better life.
I have no idea what your problem is with "Americans," (Assuming you mean US Citizens) but there is no country on Earth that accepts more refugees and provides more in Aid to other nations
Before you start screaming, I will admit "Americans" are pushy, have imposed our will on others many times, but when the Hurricane or earthquake hits, the only complaints we usually get are "You didn't give us ENOUGH money"
Vacar, it is statements like yours that turn many citizens of the US from helping others, "let the ungrateful whiners suffer" becomes the cry
In my little chunk of "America" we just received a planeload of refugees from Myanmar (Burma), they will be housed, fed, educated and their medical needs taken care of by "Americans" that supposedly force their will upon them
The USA is so far from perfect it is scary, but my opinion is that it is still far from whomever is second best in providing aid to others
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As you pointed out yes was Clinica Independencia. not a hospital. maybe then not part of the public system. point is never would have happened in the US that he was refused treatment, they would have transported somewhere else if they had to, may have died enroute but still would be attempted to treat. This did happen about 3 years ago and no huge story or anything else. no public scandal.
As you pointed out yes was Clinica Independencia. not a hospital. maybe then not part of the public system. point is never would have happened in the US that he was refused treatment, they would have transported somewhere else if they had to, may have died enroute but still would be attempted to treat. This did happen about 3 years ago and no huge story or anything else. no public scandal.
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