foreign couple killed in cabrera

jd426

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Most cases I have heard of in the DR, or People living in the DR and the US or Canada ( snowbirds ) who ended up murdered it was always involving a Person they trusted a little too much, in other words they really let their guard down.. with someone they did not know for very long..
These people you meet in the DR or even lets say you move into a NEW Neighborhood and befriend.. they are NOT your childhood Friends or like Family, they never will be.
Let your guard down, and bad things happen.
I have met people like that,, TOTALLY TRUSTING to a FAULT.. This personality type will eventually attract a PREDATOR..
Sad, but that is the way it works.

We teach our KIDS not to TRUST strangers, but then we do the exact opposite ourselves..
Strange.
 
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wrecksum

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SUICIDE?! I left the DR 3 years ago. This was one reason. How anyone can say they really feel safe in the DR is beyond me. At least once a week u read/hear of something like this. You cannot trust anyone and if you believe you can, you are only fooling yourself. I have lost track of the amount of ex-pats that have packed it in and moved elsewhere. To live on guard 27/7 is crazy. Being set-up by someone you know is not isolated but epidemic. Now the unions are protesting about wages. The entire judicial system is corrupt. I would not be surprised if during my lifetime there will be a revolution in the DR.

Just wondering why you still bother with this forum then?
 

william webster

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from what I'm hearing, this was NOT a random crime.

House was locked after the murders, nothing touched inside (except the occupants)

Who knows what transpired before ?
 
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william webster

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There has been chatter here about the controversy caused by a Cabrera killing.

To identify other murders.... apparently uncalled for... is off topic ??

The RD only virus is spreading.... no comparisons outside the compound ??
 

CristoRey

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SUICIDE?! I left the DR 3 years ago. This was one reason. How anyone can say they really feel safe in the DR is beyond me. At least once a week u read/hear of something like this. You cannot trust anyone and if you believe you can, you are only fooling yourself. I have lost track of the amount of ex-pats that have packed it in and moved elsewhere. To live on guard 27/7 is crazy. Being set-up by someone you know is not isolated but epidemic. Now the unions are protesting about wages. The entire judicial system is corrupt. I would not be surprised if during my lifetime there will be a revolution in the DR.

Deleted. Off Topic.
Better to just wait and see what the police turn up before jumping to conclusions.
 
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AnnaC

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moderator imposing arbitrary discretion

Why is it so hard to understand that there are rules. We are discussing this particular case not all the cases in the DR and certainly not what happens in timbuktu or we would have 10 useless pages of chatter. We have other forums for that.
 

mondi m

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I believe Aruba belongs to the Netherlands Antilles, which is difficult for geography specialists to understand. There are suicide, murder and other things which will never understand the specialists in the DR police. Sadly enough we live in a country where the police can not read. That is why it would be good if the people with foreign education not imitate this.
 

Cdn_Gringo

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When some foreigners compare and contrast the DR with the country they come from, they tend to use the lowest common denominator rule. If one policeman spends his gas money on a plato del dia, they all do. If one is corrupt, they all are. Not everyone feels this way and that certainly isn't the reality, but to swim upstream on a forum invites conflict as some have an opinion and they are sticking to it no matter what.

The DR has its good, bad and its ugly just like everywhere else. I do not see many of the issues raised by some, but then again I'm not putting myself in situations that invite exploitation. I'm not saying it doesn't occur, just that I have to work really hard to trip over it.

I feel for these victims of crime. It's tragic and probably completely unnecessary but bad things do happen from time to time and one needs to understand that the DR may not be paradise all the time for everyone.

RIP.
 

the gorgon

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When some foreigners compare and contrast the DR with the country they come from, they tend to use the lowest common denominator rule. If one policeman spends his gas money on a plato del dia, they all do. If one is corrupt, they all are. Not everyone feels this way and that certainly isn't the reality, but to swim upstream on a forum invites conflict as some have an opinion and they are sticking to it no matter what.

The DR has its good, bad and its ugly just like everywhere else. I do not see many of the issues raised by some, but then again I'm not putting myself in situations that invite exploitation. I'm not saying it doesn't occur, just that I have to work really hard to trip over it.

I feel for these victims of crime. It's tragic and probably completely unnecessary but bad things do happen from time to time and one needs to understand that the DR may not be paradise all the time for everyone.

RIP.

a lot of problems which befall gringos are caused by the mindsets they bring here with them. they come from gentler societies, in which people who purport to be their friends might gossip about them behind their backs, but never seek to harm them. so, they meet some mook in the supermarket, and in a week they are bosom buddies. gringo has this individual in his or her home, lends him or her money, and goes carousing with him at all odd hours. next thing you know is that there is a tragic news release.

i have lived in POP for over 15 years. apart from my Jamaican friends, i don?t believe more than 5 people know where i live, and that includes my housecleaner and the delivery boy from the minimarket. you have to reduce exposure. this trusting thing has got to go. a guy might break into my apartment and kill me in the dead of night, but it is not going to be some guy i was having beers with last night. never happen.
 

DRDone

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When some foreigners compare and contrast the DR with the country they come from, they tend to use the lowest common denominator rule. If one policeman spends his gas money on a plato del dia, they all do. If one is corrupt, they all are. Not everyone feels this way and that certainly isn't the reality, but to swim upstream on a forum invites conflict as some have an opinion and they are sticking to it no matter what.

The DR has its good, bad and its ugly just like everywhere else. I do not see many of the issues raised by some, but then again I'm not putting myself in situations that invite exploitation. I'm not saying it doesn't occur, just that I have to work really hard to trip over it.

I feel for these victims of crime. It's tragic and probably completely unnecessary but bad things do happen from time to time and one needs to understand that the DR may not be paradise all the time for everyone.

RIP.

I think everyone will agree with the truisms you have stated, and may I add the sky is blue. The real question is, is this endemic to the society, or are people cherry picking incidents to reach their own pre-conceived biases.
Almost everyone started out with the paradise conception, and as bad things happened would say, well bad things happen everywhere. The point is the level of the bad and corruption, and that is the assessment that needs to be done.
The question comes down to who is the more informed and has come to the right logical conclusions, the one that sees the corruption and says it is not for them or the one that just says bad things happen everywhere.
Police corruption is everywhere, judicial corruption is everywhere, but the extent in the DR and the effect it has on the "gringo" that decides to reside there is much different. Does one wait to have the unbelievably horrible experience happen to them before they learn it is real, or can one see what is happening to others and come to conclusions about the situations they may end up in.
I find it interesting how people will point to others as being happy in the DR. Most people I've found like that were either experiencing senility or completely incapable of empathizing with others experience. One told me a story of how his completely innocent friend had to escape the DR after being in a car accident, but in know way could relate to him being in the same situation since it had not happened to him (yet).
Anyone can learn from their own experience, intelligence is learning from others experience and coming to conclusions prior to you having to experience it.
 

miguel james

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Spot on about people coming to the apartment don't matter how many time they "My friend." I was told many moons ago not to trust anyone I will live longer that way. Just to add some gringos don't want to listen to sound information, after the get the sad story from the Dominican "My friend" common sense is kick out the door.
 

Mauricio

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I believe Aruba belongs to the Netherlands Antilles, which is difficult for geography specialists to understand. There are suicide, murder and other things which will never understand the specialists in the DR police. Sadly enough we live in a country where the police can not read. That is why it would be good if the people with foreign education not imitate this.
If you're referring to me...I think I'd understand. Aruba is an independent country but part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands. In the Netherlands though people from the Antilles are considered as 'Dutch from antillian origin'. Besides, most Arubans could pass for Dominicans, similar culture, most likely fluent in Spanish. Its like saying a French woman was found when talking about someone from Guadeloupe.
 

Allison Spillman

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just wondering...did they have dog or dogs...did they have a security system or weapons. Was there any sign or self defense. It sounds like there was not...the suicide mention is odd given the multiple stabbings on both victims...where did that theory come from. Does anyone know why they moved from Las Terranos to Cabrera. I know you have to be careful about trusting locals, but there ought to be able to be a way to determine who you can trust. Having local friends does help. Were they known to perhaps be lax in their guard, hang out I local bars and drink? Or was it a simple robbery. But what about the grisly factor. As someone who will be living in Encuantro without traditional security, I.e., no walls, guards, etc. just trying to figure these things out so that I am not a victim.