Motorcycle Licenses and Illegal Aliens

SKY

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My Dominican passport/citizenship was cheap, and no aggravation for the citizenship, although plenty on the process for getting the passport. As far as rights versus privileges, just semantics. I am a rule of law person. I try not to break any laws or rules. Inheritance rules/laws is another area affected by citizenship or lack of.
I have been a DR Citizen for 18 years. So I don't have a horse in this race. And you can bet that mine was a lot cheaper and easier than yours.................................
 

bob saunders

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El Hijo de Manolo

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You're splitting hairs. Basically you are a scofflaw. You do not have any right to be behind the wheel then.
I don't have a driver licence and i don't drive. I dont ride a motorcycle. Where are you getting this stuff today. You sound like you got up on the wrong side of the bed. First Bob, now Chico. Bye sir!
 

La Profe_1

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The term illegal alien is used in my home country for someone who is illegally in the country. Perhaps not yours.
Well, as it happens, my "home country" (and state) is the same as yours.

Do you keep a folder of relevant links in your computer so you can cut and paste easily on your hobbyhorse topics??

The horse died years ago, let it rest in peace.
 

william webster

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No, you, again, are exploiting. I reported it. I'm sure you will continue regardless.

Meanwhile what rights are not afforded to illegal aliens such as myself? I'm waiting...
Seems you are reluctant to cite your examples... you challenge with no substance.

Quite the debate artist- you.

I disagree with you and you take offense - never seen this side of you....
Go back to Las Galeras where you were more tranquilo.... the stress must be getting you back in civilization....

Take a breath..... and pls leave me alone
 

El Hijo de Manolo

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Seems you are reluctant to cite your examples... you challenge with no substance.

Quite the debate artist- you.

I disagree with you and you take offense - never seen this side of you....
Go back to Las Galeras where you were more tranquilo.... the stress must be getting you back in civilization....

Take a breath..... and pls leave me alone
Ok W, no probs. The things you get away with saying to me on a public forum I would be banned already. But enjoy your day sir.
 

windeguy

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The ability to open a bank account after 30 days. NOT TRUE. Plenty of banks could care less about this.
The ability to get a refund on a tourist card. True you give up $10 and pay Thousands of dollars in return.
The ability to stay in the country over 30 days and not pay a fine for being an illegal alien. Same as above.
The right to legally drive a car after 90 days of being in the DR. As stated people have been driving like this for 30 yrs.
The right to legally drive a motorcycle. The actual point of this thread. Same as above.
The right to get a license to own a concealed carry a pistol True . Do most people need this?
The right to own a shotgun. Same as above.
In addition, I have the right to vote, you do not. I also have the right to get a DR passport and have free basic SENASA insurance.. True. How many times have ;you voted? DR Passport will cost you Thousands of dollars and years of aggravation. Basic SENASA you will find out the first time you use it is WORTHLESS...........
I did mention that many people don't care since Gringo Passes are given on many of them. Some people don't care about driving illegally or being illegal aliens. Hijo says they are all privileges and not rights anyway, so they don't address his irrelevant to the main topic issues.

Hijo is happy he has all his basic human rights despite being an illegal alien. Well, if that is enough to make him happy while being in the country illegally, so be it. I can't argue with that approach to life. Hijo's responses irrelevant to what I am discussing. But it makes him happy to debate something irrelevant.

The DR passport did not take all that long (and things were even delayed by Covid, mailings between the US and DR where I had to use regular mail, and not enough people applying for citizenship) and cost me "thousands of dollars" - it was less than two and more than one, but whatever. Was it a PITA to get? For sure. It was worth it to me to avoid Migracion.

WW has used basic SENASA to excellent effect at a dermatologist. My wife has also used basic SENASA where she should would have had to pay out of pocket for physical therapy using HUMANO. Maybe they are the only two?
 

SKY

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WW has used basic SENASA to excellent effect at a dermatologist. My wife has also used basic SENASA where she should would have had to pay out of pocket for physical therapy using HUMANO. Maybe they are the only two?

Try using SENASA at a private clinic without paying. You CAN'T............Not the best care.............
 

windeguy

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Well, as it happens, my "home country" (and state) is the same as yours.

Do you keep a folder of relevant links in your computer so you can cut and paste easily on your hobbyhorse topics??

The horse died years ago, let it rest in peace.
Obviously we have different feelings about this subject.

Now back to if illegal aliens will be allowed to drive motos, or not. Some thing the law requiring stickers and new licenses will not be applied to illegal aliens. Not ever.
 

JD Jones

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WW has used basic SENASA to excellent effect at a dermatologist. My wife has also used basic SENASA where she should would have had to pay out of pocket for physical therapy using HUMANO. Maybe they are the only two?

Try using SENASA at a private clinic without paying. You CAN'T............Not the best care.............

I agree there are some who do not accept Senasa.

Senasa has a list of clinics and providers on its website. Stick with them and you're good to go.
 
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windeguy

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Off topic, but I just heard that a former poster on DR1 was in a serious motorcycle accident while driving home from Cabarete center.
He even wrote a song about another poster back in the day.

He might lose a leg. Now back to the ramifications of his being an illegal alien while driving it.
 

JD Jones

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Off topic, but I just heard that a former poster on DR1 was in a serious motorcycle accident while driving home from Cabarete center.
He even wrote a song about another poster back in the day.

He might lose a leg. Now back to the ramifications of his being an illegal alien while driving it.
Please keep us informed on the Biker. He's an acquaintance.
 

windeguy

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WW has used basic SENASA to excellent effect at a dermatologist. My wife has also used basic SENASA where she should would have had to pay out of pocket for physical therapy using HUMANO. Maybe they are the only two?

Try using SENASA at a private clinic without paying. You CAN'T............Not the best care.............
WW and my wife both used basic SENASA and were happy with the results. I never mentioned private clinics, but carry on with where it doesn't work, if you must.
 

windeguy

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Please keep us informed on the Biker. He's an acquaintance.
I have no direct contact. Third party information was that he was "clipped" by a vehicle driven by "gringos" on the main road in Cabarete, his leg was severely damaged and my lose it , he is in the hospital in Santiago and his children are here and will fly him to Canada when he is stabilized.
 
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La Profe_1

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I have no direct contact. Third party information was that he was "clipped" by a vehicle driven by "gringos" on the main road in Cabarete, his leg was severely damaged and my lose it , he is in the hospital in Santiago and his children are here and will fly him to Canada when he is stabilized.
If the plan is to take him to Canada, it would be wise for the family to resist amputation if at all possible.

When I was run over by a minivan taxi in Puerto Plata, it was the same thing - you will lose the leg. The doctors in the US managed to save that leg, in spite of injuries so severe that a six inch length of bone was exposed since all surrounding tissue had been removed due to gangrene.
 

D'Arcy (Apostropheman)

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What extended visa? The only thing pre-payment of an overstay does is that you are paying the fine ahead of time. It is a fine, not a fee, whether you pay it up front or on departure. The fines are outside the legal system, an administrative work around as described by DR1's lawyer.

Not a fee, it is a fine. Do you pay a fee or a fine if you overpark? Overstaying is illegal , makes one an illegal alien and it is a fine.

They don't make different laws, they just prejudicially enforce them. That much is clear.

I refer to the visa extension that tourists can apply for extending the 30 day visa up to a total of 90 days.

I say fee, you say fine. You say it's illegal and makes one an illegal alien I say nope LOL

If it's "outside of the legal system" then is it really illegal? Is it really a fine? How could it be since it's also an administrative workaround? Without any additional penalties.

Does anyone even care?

The Dominican Government does not care, or better said they only care when they want to, but not for Tourists. Do you really think that they're going to mess with tourism? I don't.

One day they may start to enforce some actual law, but not fees/fines that are outside the legal system and merely administrative workarounds ;)

Have fun
 

william webster

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with SENASA, yes - private clinics are a problem.

Here in Cabrera/Abreu. we have an excellent doctora who looks after me at the public clinic
 

AlterEgo

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The term illegal alien is used in my home country for someone who is illegally in the country. Perhaps not yours.
Do I like that term? Of course I do, because it is the legally correct term and that is why I use it to refer to illegals in any country including the DR.

Here are some definitions for you and Hijo so you can also use the correct terminology:

Alien (definition in law)
In law, an alien is any person who is not a citizen or a national of a specific country, although definitions and terminology differ to some degree depending upon the continent or region. More generally, however, the term "alien" is perceived as synonymous with foreign national.

Under federal law, any non-U.S. citizen is an alien. Aliens who have entered the United States without permission, or who have violated the terms of their admission, are identified under the law as illegal aliens. That is a fact, not an issue for debate.


The term “alien” means any person not a citizen or national of the United States.
—United States Code, Title 8, §1101(a)(3)

An illegal alien…is any alien (1) whose most recent entry into the United States was without inspection, or (2) whose most recent admission to the United States was as a nonimmigrant and—(A) whose period of authorized stay as a nonimmigrant expired, or (B) whose unlawful status was known to the Government, before the date of the commission of the crime for which the alien is convicted.
—United States Code, Title 8, §1365(b)

They’re now referred to as undocumented workers/residents because illegal aliens was offensive. 🤷🏻‍♀️
 
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