Tragedy in Santiago; policeman accused of accidentally killing a child

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Yes we know, you wear $10,000 USD suites eating Grey Poupon while flying high on your private jet
looking down at us peasants. Just so you know, this incident could have taken place outside of any
establishment in this country where you and the elites like to chop it up and spend your millions.
now now now. I mostly wear a navy blazer or sport coat, no suits, no necktie either, and yes, I do not sit on plastic chairs eating out of Styrofoam containers. But hey... I won't. judge you.
 
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There is no evidence anywhere in the videos that the crowd was a drunken scum and there is no evidence that the father was generating any more noise than others in the street ..In fact after the shooting you can here the loud music coming from other places. I hope the parents can find some peace but it would be almost impossible.
The videos dont tell the whole story, obviously.
 

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Some people are just born joyless and spineless. Adios papacito.

well, if you consider having a confrontation with a person of authority having a "spine" that is your world and I am not a member.
 

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Sort of reminds me about Richard Prior saying a black friend was hit by three warning shots.
reminds me of a tragic event being made into an opportunity to place blame on the entire P.D for one's position in life.
 

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Very tragic indeed. Though I am not sure confronting/arguing with a police officer (if that is what actually happened) in front of your child was the best move by the father. I am not saying what happened was the father's fault either. But sometimes you have to know when, where and with who to pick your battles.
 

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now now now. I mostly wear a navy blazer or sport coat, no suits, no necktie either, and yes, I do not sit on plastic chairs eating out of Styrofoam containers. But hey... I won't. judge you.
At 37 I decided to trade my suit, tie and top shelf in a glass for plastic chairs, styrofoam cups and cheap beer.
To each their own.
The saddest part about this happening at the hour it happened is there were several young children who witnessed
the incident. The PN in this country are a mess. Anyone who suggest otherwise is either lying or they do not understand
the pervasive culture that has been corroding the institution from within for many years.
 

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At 37 I decided to trade my suit, tie and top shelf in a glass for plastic chairs, styrofoam cups and cheap beer.
To each their own.
The saddest part about this happening at the hour it happened is there were several young children who witnessed
the incident. The PN in this country are a mess. Anyone who suggest otherwise is either lying or they do not understand
the pervasive culture that has been corroding the institution from within for many years.
Which came first the chicken or the egg. Most Dominicans don't treat the police with respect, and it seems they only understand a mano Duro. Most Dominican police don't act like professionals. So better training required, and Dominicans need to teach their children to respect authority and lead by example.
 

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Whatever way you look at it, the cop is a f🤬🤬🤬🤬ing donkey....
Pulls out his gun in a street full of people partying..... lol.

He is lucky the whole bloody street was full of passive people, where I come from the cop would be lucky to make it out alive......

For those of you saying its the dad's fault, you need to get your head checked or have your doctor switch your prescriptions.
Nothing, NOTHING, warranted the cop shooting his gun in an unsafe manner, in a crowd, nothing less.
If the cops ( and there were a few of them ) cant control a small crowd w/o shooting randomly their weapons, they shouldnt be cops.
In a First WORD Scenario, everything you wrote would APPLY.
but the DR is not the Country you came from . your Logic would not work , or are you saying you can magically change it over night.
Its not the fathers fault . he he DID escalate the situation but not following directions ..
Not quite, they told him to turn his music down. Too loud for a Dominican so it must have been really loud. It was only after he turned it back up that they were going to confiscate the speaker.
If he had followed directions , instead of challenging Authority , his Son would be Alive .
Still the Cops Fault , yes, but that is the reality of how it went down .
 

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If he had followed directions , instead of challenging Authority , his Son would be Alive .
Still the Cops Fault , yes, but that is the reality of how it went down .
There are also times and places when cops need to mind their own business and loud music during a Carvinal parade would be one of them.

I've been to several parades over the years here on Las Carreras and cars playing loud music is normal. In some cases they actually follow at the tail end of the parade if they're from the same barrio.

There's more to this story than were being told.
 

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There are also times and places when cops need to mind their own business and loud music during a Carvinal parade would be one of them.
To paraphrase the Apocalypse Now quote "Charging a man with murder in this place was like handing out speeding tickets at the Indy 500", telling people to turn down the music at the carnival is like handing out speeding tickets at the Indy 500.
 

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To paraphrase the Apocalypse Now quote "Charging a man with murder in this place was like handing out speeding tickets at the Indy 500", telling people to turn down the music at the carnival is like handing out speeding tickets at the Indy 500.
Normally I would agree .. but some of these Sound Systems , are not just LOUD .. maybe you are envisioning a Boom Box or something .. these Systems can literally cause permanent Hearing Loss to anyone standing a couple of feet away , if they are foolish enough to stand that close .
The Cop had the right to tell him to turn it down .. the problem , as others have clearly pointed out is that he HANDLED IT COMPLETELY WRONG.
And now he murdered a Child .
The question is not who did what , there is no mystery there .
The Question is CAN this be prevented in the Future , because even in a Third World Country this should never happen ..
2 Adults squabbling is one thing, a child getting shot , never ever acceptable

Kipling I think you misunderstood my prev post .. Your Angry Emoticon does not change the Facts of this Case .
Be angry at them , not me .
 

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The Question is CAN this be prevented in the Future , because even in a Third World Country this should never happen ..
2 Adults squabbling is one thing, a child getting shot , never ever acceptable

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Agreed, however things happen a LOT WORSE in one or two FIRST World countries, and cannot seem to be stopped......................
 

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Agreed, however things happen a LOT WORSE in one or two FIRST World countries, and cannot seem to be stopped......................
And I agree with you.. Even with Training it can happen, but these DR cops seem to have ZERO Training.
So in the immediate future there is absolutely NO hope that it would stop .

I guess that was my Point, specifically
 

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You wrote that it was the fathers fault for not following instructions ..If he had followed instructions the child would be alive. Who would ever have thought that a policeman would have used his gun to fire four shots in an area full of people. You might just as well have said that the father who has a peluqueria should not have opened his shop that day. Why did this young policeman return to the pelugueria when the street was full of loud music . If anyone thinks that playing loud music during a carnival merits a policeman firing four shots into an area full of people, then they have different values than I .
Unfortunately already there are stories on the TV suggesting that the evidence , the gun, already has been tampered with by the police. I feel fairly sure that the parents do not read DR1 so will be saved from more despair.
 

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Your Logic is very flawed ,
but yes , if the father had followed instructions then it would have ended there, without shots fired

If I wanted to push this point to the extreme, (so you could grasp it, since you dont seem to )
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what if 10 OTHER people were SHOT , and NOT the son ..
Would THE PEOPLE then still feel the same sadness , and in favor of the Man and his Loud Music, and his failure co COMPLY ?

See how your logic falls apart right there .
 

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Bogus?
Not trying to go off-topic but where I'm from it's not uncommon to see shootings during Mardi Gras parades where six or seven people get hit in one go in front of hundreds of people with no arrest being made afterwards. It's much safer watching the parades on Las Carreras than it will ever be watching them on St. Charles or Canal Street regardless of what time of day they're running.
 

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If one person was shot or ten people were shot, it is still the fault of the person who discharged the firearm... the murderer might wish to plead extenuating circumstances .