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    Default I need some dummies!!

    No, not you guys, I mean manikins/mannequins (?), those life-sized figures that can be used for demonstrations of first aid and EMT training.

    It so happened that after class yesterday, one of my new students, a guy from NYC, comes up and says he has 8 years experience as an EMT person in New York City, working the Bronx and other "interesting areas" of the city.

    He is not your basic freshman, that is for sure. He is a typical Dominican from New York, although with much better Spanish. But he is a real public servant, also. No chains or bling. The kid is from single parent, welfare, what he called "two jean" up-bringing. Here he is studying on Pell Grants which at PUCMM allow him to cover all of his studies.

    Now, why dummies?

    I do out-reach to some communities in the hills and valleys. Dental and medical. The health component usually involves first aid, often common sense stuff ( how to fight off diarrhea in children or how to stem a deep cut, or even how to give birth in an emergency) taught by pros. This guy told me about these dummies, which he could not afford, but which are used in classes in the US.

    It seems that they are life-like with disposable plastic mouth pieces (for mouth to mouth training) and life-like insides too. But they are expensive.

    We need three sizes: Baby, Child, Adult (female).

    Anybody out there in Etherland know of these or where to get them or if there are people who can supply them??? (Free is best, of course!!). With this guy on the team, our ability to change lives increases by a whole lot.

    What say ye all???

    HB, never looking back, something might be gaining on [email protected]!

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    First Aid kits and supplies, CPR, AED Emergency and Survival Supplies

    I know they are not cheap but good material and they do frequently real good discounts.

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    You are looking for a Resusci-Annie CPR torso along with the child and baby models. I would hope that any EMT/firehouse/hospital would have them to loan out or at least use on their site. We had ours borrowed from local hospitals when I took the course.

    They are complicated devices since the airway has to be positioned correctly and the nose sealed to make the dummy's chest rise and they have a plastic heart with a gel inside. The ones I've trained on did not have disposable mouth parts so they were sprayed with disinfectant between use.

    Good luck with the course. He can do a lot just by teaching mouth-to-mouth and treating shock.

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    are those REALLY necessary? there has to be something better for that money to go to. hire a nice girl and guy to play the dummy, have them and all the rescuers be tested for things like hepatitis or whatever. better to practice on real people, unless you're doing cpr...
    but how much could a dummy help with learning cpr? you could still follow all the steps of cpr on a real person without actually applying pressure. if not real people, i'm sure they could rig something up. they're dominicans! mouth to mouth isnt a complicated thing to do.
    you could just wrap some suran wrap over their mouth and pretend youre blowing into the lungs. no need to spend thousands or whatever on dummies just so you can see the chest filling with air. they'll be able to see that easily when they have to do the real thing. maybe i'm wrong. but i think it would be a huge waste of money. maybe call a place that teaches these things and see if they think it's really needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T809 View Post
    are those REALLY necessary? there has to be something better for that money to go to. hire a nice girl and guy to play the dummy, have them and all the rescuers be tested for things like hepatitis or whatever. better to practice on real people, unless you're doing cpr...
    but how much could a dummy help with learning cpr? you could still follow all the steps of cpr on a real person without actually applying pressure. if not real people, i'm sure they could rig something up. they're dominicans! mouth to mouth isnt a complicated thing to do.
    you could just wrap some suran wrap over their mouth and pretend youre blowing into the lungs. no need to spend thousands or whatever on dummies just so you can see the chest filling with air. they'll be able to see that easily when they have to do the real thing. maybe i'm wrong. but i think it would be a huge waste of money. maybe call a place that teaches these things and see if they think it's really needed.
    I have a degree in urgent medical assistance myself, and yes those dummies are necessary. You can simulate all you want, but those dummies allow you to do the real thing, and to see if you are doing it correctly... (how to breath, how much pressure to apply, etc...)

    HB, maybe it would be an idea to contact the airports as I'm sure their fire-brigades use them for training, and would be willing to loan them, or have some older models lying around...

    If you want, I can ask a captain in SD Las Americas...

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    While I tend to be doubtful, please do ask. I will see what Santiago Fire Dept has on hand.
    Surely there must be some sort of foundation that can provide these for Third World countries???
    HB

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    What about the Dominican Red Cross? They offer courses in Primeros Auxilios and the dummy is usually part of the standard equipment.

    Cruz Roja Dominicana

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    Try posting on the Community Support - DR1 Dominican Republic Forums thread. I wouldn't be surprised if someone could bring you one down on their next trip.

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    Yes the dummies are absolutely required. You can't just play act when learning CPR. You have to push down on the chest with 10-20 pounds of force and breath into the dummy with the same amount of force as when blowing up a balloon. Older people often get ribs broken when getting CPR. If there is an obstruction, you have to stick your fingers into the victim's mouth. You are also training 5-10 people who usually do it wrong at first. They have to train doing it alone, then with a helper and they have to be able to do it for five or more minutes.

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    Maybe this link helps?

    Help Third World Countries

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