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    haiti's future can be whatever they want. here's some places to look at for ideas.

    List of island countries - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Name Geographic configuration Geologic location Population [Area]] (km²) Density (per km²)
    Antigua and Barbuda Centred on two major islands Continental shelf
    Australia Centred on one major island Australian continent
    Bahamas Spread over a group of islands Continental shelf
    Bahrain Centred on one major island Continental shelf
    Barbados Centred on one major island Continental shelf 269,556 430 627
    Brunei Part of a larger island Continental shelf
    Cape Verde Spread over a group of islands Oceanic
    Comoros Spread over a group of islands Oceanic
    Cuba Centred on one major island Continental shelf 11,451,652 110,861 102
    Cyprus[n 1] Centred on one major island (de jure)
    Part of a larger island (de facto) Continental shelf 793,963 9,251 85
    Dominica Centred on one major island Continental shelf
    Dominican Republic Part of a larger island Continental shelf
    East Timor Part of a larger island Continental shelf
    Federated States of Micronesia[n 2] Spread over a group if islands Oceanic
    Fiji Spread over a group of islands Oceanic
    Grenada Centred on one major island Continental shelf
    Haiti Part of a larger island Continental shelf
    Iceland Centred on one major island Oceanic 316,252 103,000 3.1
    Indonesia Spread over a group of Islands Two continental shelves 234,693,997 1,919,440 134
    Ireland Part of a larger island Continental shelf 4,239,848 70273 60
    Jamaica Centred on one major island Continental shelf
    Japan Spread over a group of islands Continental shelf 127,433,494 377,873 337
    Kiribati Spread over a group of islands Oceanic
    Madagascar Centred on one major island Oceanic
    Maldives Spread over a group of islands Oceanic 329,198 298 1,105
    Malta Centred on one major island Continental shelf 404,500 316 1,282
    Marshall Islands[n 2] Spread over a group of islands Oceanic
    Mauritius Spread over a group of islands Oceanic 1,244,663 2,040 610
    Nauru One island Oceanic 13,635 21 649
    New Zealand Spread over a group of islands Continental shelf 4,027,947 268,680 15
    Northern Cyprus[n 1] Part of a larger island Continental shelf
    Palau[n 2] Spread over a group of islands Oceanic
    Papua New Guinea Part of a larger island Continental shelf
    Philippines Spread over a group of islands Continental shelf 88,706,300 300,000 276
    Saint Kitts and Nevis Centred on two major islands Continental shelf
    Saint Lucia Centred on one major island Continental shelf
    Saint Vincent and the Grenadines Centred on one major island Continental shelf
    Samoa Spread over a group of islands Oceanic
    São Tomé and Príncipe Centred on two major islands Continental shelf
    Seychelles Spread over a group of islands Oceanic 87,500 455 192
    Singapore Centred on one major island Continental shelf 4,553,009 704 6,369
    Solomon Islands Spread over a group of islands Oceanic
    Sri Lanka Centred on one major island Continental shelf
    Taiwan[n 3] Centred on one major island Continental shelf 22,911,292 36,188 633
    Tonga Spread over a group of islands Oceanic
    Trinidad and Tobago Centred on two major islands Continental shelf
    United Kingdom Centred on one major island Continental shelf 60,587,300 244,820 246
    Tuvalu Spread over a group of islands Oceanic
    Vanuatu Spread over a group of islands Oceanic
    [edit]Dependencies and other notable regions
    Name Geographic configuration Geologic location Country
    Åland[n 4] Spread over a group of islands Continental shelf Finland
    Alderney Single Island Continental shelf Guernsey
    United Kingdom
    American Samoa Spread over a group of islands Oceanic United States
    Anguilla Continental shelf United Kingdom
    Aruba Single Island Continental shelf Netherlands
    Ashmore and Cartier Islands Continental shelf Australia
    Baker Island Single island Oceanic United States
    Bermuda Single island Oceanic United Kingdom
    Bouvet Island Single Island Oceanic Norway
    British Indian Ocean Territory Spread over a group of islands Oceanic United Kingdom
    British Virgin Islands Spread over a group of islands Continental shelf United Kingdom
    Cayman Islands Spread over a group of islands Continental shelf United Kingdom
    Christmas Island Centred on one major island Australia
    Cocos (Keeling) Islands Centred on two major islands Australia
    Cook Islands[n 5] Spread over a group of islands Oceanic New Zealand
    Coral Sea Islands Spread over a group of islands Continental shelf Australia
    Falkland Islands[n 6] Centred on two major islands Continental shelf United Kingdom
    Faroe Islands Spread over a group of islands Denmark
    French Polynesia Spread over a group of islands Oceanic France
    Greenland Centred on one major island Continental shelf Denmark
    Guam[n 7] Single island Oceanic United States
    Guernsey Centred on one major island Continental shelf United Kingdom
    Heard Island and McDonald Islands Spread over a group of islands Continental shelf Australia
    Howland Island Single island Oceanic United States
    Isle of Man Single Island Continental shelf United Kingdom
    Jarvis Island Single island Oceanic United States
    Jersey[n 8] Single island Continental shelf United Kingdom
    Johnston Atoll Single island Oceanic United States
    Kingman Reef Single island Oceanic United States
    Macau Centred on one major island Continental shelf China
    Mayotte Centred on one major island France
    Midway Atoll Single island Oceanic United States
    Montserrat Centred on one major island Continental shelf United Kingdom
    Navassa Island Single island Continental shelf United States
    New Caledonia Centred on one major island Continental shelf France
    Niue[n 5] Single island Oceanic New Zealand
    Netherlands Antilles[n 9] Spread over 5 major islands Continental shelf Netherlands
    Norfolk Island Centred on one major island Australia
    Northern Mariana Islands Spread across a group of islands Oceanic United States
    Pitcairn Islands Spread over a group of islands Oceanic United Kingdom
    Puerto Rico Centred on one major island Continental shelf United States
    Saint Helena Oceanic United Kingdom
    Saint Pierre and Miquelon Centred on two major islands Continental shelf France
    Sark Single island Continental shelf Guernsey
    United Kingdom
    Saint Helena Oceanic United Kingdom
    South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands[n 6] Spread over a group of islands Oceanic United Kingdom
    Svalbard[n 10] Spread over a group of islands Norway
    Tokelau[n 5] Spread over a group of islands Oceanic New Zealand
    Turks and Caicos Islands Spread over a group of islands Continental shelf United Kingdom
    U.S. Virgin Islands Spread over a group of islands Continental shelf United States
    Wake Island Single island Oceanic United States
    Wallis and Futuna Centred on two major islands Oceanic France

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian Bye View Post
    because local industry learns how to compete and ends up with a long term sustainable business. see the problems in the DR now with the artificially low propane pricing due to government subsidy and the industry that built up around modifying cars to take advantage of it.

    haiti has to find industries where it can have a true competitive advantage (aside from being the NGO capital of the world). yes, they do exist.
    which local industry? cutting import tariffs means cheap foreign goods will flood the market, which, at least as far as agricultural products go, are often times themselves subsidized. it is not as if they were producing crappy tv's and jeans like they did in mexico under isi which are artificially protected from better competition by import taxes. cutting import tariffs in haiti will only increase poverty.
    also don't act as if haitians (poor haitians at least) were playing the victim while in reality being the masters of their own destiny. they have a corrupt elite and a messed up political system, and that is to no small part due to outside powers meddling and cooperating with said corrupt elite. they are screwed and there is not much they can do about it except migrate

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    Adrian Bye asserts that the DR has done rather well. maybe he should break that bit of news to the 42% of the population living below the poverty line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the gorgon View Post
    Adrian Bye asserts that the DR has done rather well. maybe he should break that bit of news to the 42% of the population living below the poverty line.
    not many of those dominicans below the poverty line are queuing up to go to haiti to live off mudcakes

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    Quote Originally Posted by the gorgon View Post
    Adrian Bye asserts that the DR has done rather well. maybe he should break that bit of news to the 42% of the population living below the poverty line.
    Indeed, he can start by pointing to the 38% of the population that no longer fills the ranks of the poor, effectively turning the DR a country of 42% poverty rather than the approximately 80% poverty the country registered four to five decades ago. One has to wonder what will happen in the next four to five decades (albeit massive immigration from Haiti threatens to slowdown this process, maybe even revert it; but let's assume the migration problem will eventually be under control).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian Bye View Post
    not many of those dominicans below the poverty line are queuing up to go to haiti to live off mudcakes
    every time i see that reference i want to punch the young AP reporter who wrote that story. Jonathan Katz,... since he really did it with a sensationalist point of view..

    those mud cookies are actually made from a special clay soil which is brought down from the mountains and contains bismuth... also the main ingredient in pepto bismol ... and an aid to stopping diarhea....

    haitians have been using the mudcakes for years.

    and while the list of other island countries may be interesting... i know that Haiti is not actually going to follow any other country.

    they have resisted colonization
    they have resisted being "Christainized"

    and they have not sold off their land

    as soon as there is a new government in place... after November--.- there will be a second passage of the bill allowing the diaspora to have dual citizenship .--- and then-- in a few years.--- the very educated and sucessful Haitians from abroad will have an opportunity to really aid the nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mountainannie View Post
    every time i see that reference i want to punch the young AP reporter who wrote that story. Jonathan Katz,... since he really did it with a sensationalist point of view..

    those mud cookies are actually made from a special clay soil which is brought down from the mountains and contains bismuth... also the main ingredient in pepto bismol ... and an aid to stopping diarhea....
    interesting, i didn't know that.. here's the article:

    Poor Haitians Resort to Eating Dirt

    i'll be more careful with the mudcakes reference in future. thanks for the pointer.

    and while the list of other island countries may be interesting... i know that Haiti is not actually going to follow any other country.

    they have resisted colonization
    they have resisted being "Christainized"

    and they have not sold off their land
    and thats precisely the problem. haitians resist everything except handouts. but i will be making sure generous donors are aware of this. i think haitians can find other options for themselves on their own since they value "their way" so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian Bye View Post

    and thats precisely the problem. Haitians resist everything except handouts.

    The very notion that Haitians in Haiti are somehow lazy and rely on handouts is ridiculous.

    The money that goes to Haiti does not go to working class/poor Haitians.
    Period.

    If you would like I will expand on what happens to this cash - I am busy now - doing business in Haiti - but there is no way I am going to let that one slide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pedrochemical View Post
    The very notion that Haitians in Haiti are somehow lazy and rely on handouts is ridiculous.

    The money that goes to Haiti does not go to working class/poor Haitians.
    Period.

    If you would like I will expand on what happens to this cash - I am busy now - doing business in Haiti - but there is no way I am going to let that one slide.
    Thanks, Pedro... we could both jump on that one--

    REALLY

    even Dominicans, when speaking of Haitians.-. say that they are muy trabadores!

    the VAST portion of the money that goes to Haiti lands up in the hands of various NGOs who are in the business of keeping the poor just that.--- poor

    it is their source of income.

    What is happening now with the money that was given for the quake relief is that is being held very tightly by a consortium of the donors so that it gets used for projects that will build infrastructure and create self sustaining businesses-----

    There is a lot of grumbling about people still living in tents

    but remember that they are being given food and water in those camps

    and PauP is expected to have aftershocks for two years.....}}

    so plans are being made to decentralize the country -- to improve access to the more remote cities and provide opportunities there so that a third to a half of the population of the capital can move out....

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