Leonel what are you smoking?????

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I got this from Dr1. Sounds like Leonel esta en otro mundo!!!!

Isolated corruption, says who?

Several commentators have spoken out against the statements by President Leonel Fernandez who downplayed the findings of the diagnostics commission made up of multilateral, international and civil society organizations. President Fernandez described cases of government corruption as individual and isolated, saying that there was no institutionalized corruption in his government.

Foreign governments and multilateral institutions recently released the findings of a diagnostic exercise and made 30 proposals to help the government combat corruption. Eleven public and private sector bodies and civil society organizations joined forces to work on the Participative Anti-Corruption Initiative (IPAC).

The group includes the World Bank, the Inter-American Development Bank, the United Nations Development Program, and the governments of the US, Spain and Canada.

In response to the comments by the President, Reverend Reynaldo Franco of the Dominican Evangelical Confederation (CODUE) said: "There are studies that have shown the thousands we are losing, money that could be used in social actions, to build houses, feed the poor, and that is slipping away to corruption. We cannot speak of micro-corruption. We have to speak of macro-corruption in government", he said.

He was not optimistic about the prospect of the government supporting the IPAC and going ahead in implementing recommendations to curtail corruption. 30 proposals were made with a cost of US$18 million, of which international organizations would cover US$12 million.

PRD deputy for the National District Alberto Atallah reminded the President that the World Economic Forum placed the Dominican Republic in 131st place of 133 countries ranked according to levels of corruption in government, as reported in Diario Libre.

Meanwhile, PLD senator for Peravia Wilton Guerrero speaking on the level of corruption in government said it is there for everyone to see. As reported in 7dias.com.do, he said that people know that corruption is rampant when everyone can see that government officials who used to live a modest lifestyle, in rented houses and with children enrolled in public schools, now live in luxury mansions, with luxury vehicles and displaying all sorts of wealth.

"People then reject and repudiate the corruption in society, and mainly in government," he said. "And more so when that corrupt official is not penalized, enjoys impunity, and becomes a bad example".

Guerrero said that when citizens see that the corrupt are not penalized, and their impunity continues, then that situation becomes a stimulus and promotes more mismanagement of public funds. Guerrero also said that drug trafficking takes place at the macro and micro-level. He says that everyone can see this and that it continues because there is impunity in the persecution, combating and punishing of the guilty. He said that the bosses in most big drug trafficking cases are neither identified nor processed.

Pelegrin Castillo of the FNP, a small party allied to the PLD, said that the political and business systems give lots of space to corruption, mainly due to the concentration of power, discretionality and lack of transparency. He said there is no justification for the government purchasing the same goods from so many suppliers. "The government needs to use its purchasing power. If it is going to buy vehicles, then it should standardize the vehicles, which should be utilitarian, not luxury, with minor exceptions". He also questioned the quality of construction of school classrooms, during an interview on the El Dia TV program.

Proyecto IPAC

Material de Apoyo - Proyecto IPAC

The report presents multiple international and national studies pointing to the high levels of rampant corruption in the Fernandez administration.
 
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bob saunders

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I spent an evening speaking with Senator Euclides Rafael S?nchez Tav?rez, the PLD Senator for La Vega on my last visit. While I was polite and did no accusations we did talk a little about corruption in the DR, and Drug use. This guy is in his second or third term, and I can tell you his house is nice but not expensive and he has only one child, who is only a little spoiled as you would expect for a single boy. His wife Gigi is a very good friend of my wife's and she works for the school District in Jarabacoa. Vey nice, down to earth people. My the way he drives a Ford Explorer about 7-8 years old. I don't know what his reputation is like, but for a politician he seems quite genuine and certainly a likable fellow. English is quite good also. As far as Leonel what do you expect him to say; that all the members of his party are corrupt?
 

cobraboy

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Perhaps his definition of what constitutes corruption is different than a First Worlders.

I'm NOT saying there is no or even minimal corruption, but perhaps the way gubmint business has always been done here isn't viewed in as negative a light as it is elsewhere.
 

baby bori

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Though Leonel is the DR president this guy is probably the slickest most caniving con artist president to exist in the DR. His primary concern and goal is on expanding the tourism sector of the economy and spending large amounts of money on public projects rather than implementing programs to increase the number of jobs and salary aumentation for the lower to middle class population!!!
 

johne

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All the Same

There isn't a doubt in my mind that the DR government is corrupt. However, think about it in this way for a moment. I start with the premise that ALL governments are corrupt in some fashion. Here in the U.S. it is the stealing of rights from its' citizens each and every day by the knuckleheads in power. There're called the "power elites" that want to maintain a control of every step of our lives. That's stealing. They game the system with political contributions. That's stealing. They take, or want to take the heart, soul and profits from the business man busting his chops and give it to those that are less fortunate. That's stealing.And on and on but this is not the forum for me to get on my soapbox.

In the DR they steal and are corrupt but they are dumber than their counterparts in the U.S. They don't do as smoothly as the U.S. That's all.
Qiute honestly, I can't name one country in the world that is not corrupt in the manner that I have mentioned.
Sorry for the rant.
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mira, eso es simple. have you ever seen a mother of a murderer? she will not admit he is guilty. she will say: oh, he is such a good boy, he could never harm a fly, this girl begged him for sex, it was not a rape, no; and then she slit her own throat out of spite, my boy is not bad, he is not.
leonel is this blind mother defending her rotten child until the end. his government is not corrupt, no. it simply cannot be. only decent people in PLD. those evil poor dominicans are accusing us out of malice. we good, them bad, yes. you want him to admit his own party is full of arseholes? nah, be serious.

what i like, however, it that DR will be given actual money to fight with corruption. excuse me when i choke myself with and old sock. ridiculous idea. it's like fighting drugs by giving away free coke on street corners. this money will go directly into the pockets of politicians who will giggle all the way to the swiss bank.

i know now quite infamous francis vargas. i laughed my head off when he declared bienes of 15 million pesos. just his house in POP is worth twice as much. then cars, then land, then bank accounts, then all other possessions of his. and everyone swallowed this lie like young pelicans. pathetic.

but what i would really like to know is the declared bienes of amable aristy, "presidente de los pobres"...
 

baby bori

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The dominican peso is going dropping again in comparison to the US Dollar again in the long run this will benefit Dominicans and other ex-pats who get pesos now and it will lower again to 30 to 1 or most likely less in two or three years!!!
 

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I got the impression from what I read of the President's remarks was that he was saying that the corruption in his administration is no more than the corruption that exists in other sectors of society. Regardless, there is no excuse, in my opinion, for the President of the Dominican Republic not to simply state that to the extent that there is corruption in his government he is working continually to root it out rather than to deny that it is a problem. To deny that there is a corruption problem in the DR government is disingenuous and silly. It is unfortunate, but perhaps not unforeseeable, that with all the hope that accompanied Leonel's election, he has continued the old practices of clientalism and politics as usual.
 

bob saunders

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No, the government want to put retirement from 60 up to age 62.

I knew that, I was just being sarcastic. The welfare state is costing more than is being inputed in to it. EVERYONE wants, wants, wants, but not everyone is paying for it.
 

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Say WHAT????

The dominican peso is going dropping again in comparison to the US Dollar again in the long run this will benefit Dominicans and other ex-pats who get pesos now and it will lower again to 30 to 1 or most likely less in two or three years!!!

Try 45 to 1
 

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I knew that, I was just being sarcastic. The welfare state is costing more than is being inputed in to it. EVERYONE wants, wants, wants, but not everyone is paying for it.

Bingo. Somewhat surprising is the French public's attitude that apparently money grows on trees. Unfortunately the politicians who look at the budget realize you can't run in the red forever. Oh well, anther socialist system bites the dust.
 

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Bingo. Somewhat surprising is the French public's attitude that apparently money grows on trees. Unfortunately the politicians who look at the budget realize you can't run in the red forever. Oh well, anther socialist system bites the dust.

Socialists, Republicans, Democrats, Liberals, Green, etc...all systems fail atm, nobody is happy with any kind of leadership right now.
But has nothing to do really with this thread so for me it stops here.
 
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Although it's obvious; why would Leonel admit that there is corruption at every level of his administration? It starts with his handpicked cabinet and then moves down from there. When individual cases are brought to light, they are ignored until they go away on their own, when a new issue takes over people's mind.

For Leonel to make such an admission, would be an indictment of himself.
 

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It is unfortunate, but perhaps not unforeseeable, that with all the hope that accompanied Leonel's election, he has continued the old practices of clientalism and politics as usual.

as in russia, the old gaurd are not gonna let go of the ropes that easy.
they gave capitalism a shot but the the old gaurd took it back over

same with the dr
too much money to let some do gooder take control...
they'll just use his smiling face and popularity and sit behind the stairs and count thier money
 

baby bori

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Tecato no more like super tiguerazo who has cons the lower to middle class Dominicans thinking he's some type of massiah and will actually help them progress what a joke!!! Where's the jobs or salary augmentations Leonel for the lower to middle class??? An example of just another slickster manipulative liar president!!!!