F*** The Police

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Duarte

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I'm sorry to put that way! But I need to vent! I just read how the police killed a person 2 days ago and 2 more yesterday, in a neighborhood in the capital. That's 500 people murdered by the police since Candelier became chief of police. And guess how many of those killer cops are in jail or even fired? When will somebody do something about this? When will they fire this a**hole chief of police, who incites his troops to eliminate the "undesirables" in the name of reducing crime? Has crime been reduced at all since he took power? When will they dismantle these death squads and form a real police force? Hast cuando...dios mio?
 
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DR-VETERAN

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when will somebody do something about this?
how about you?instead of waiting for somebody else to do something.
how about joining the policeforce in order to get into a position where you "can do something"?
how about politics?don't like the parties which exist?fine build your own and promote your ideas.who knows you may even become president and can correct everything or at least get things moving in the right direction!?
it really doesn't help all that much calling shots from the outside.changes have to be made from the inside.so come back to your homecountry and follow the slogan:
"my beloved country what can i do for you"!!
 
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William Leslie

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Just wondering in the meantime where will they put all the people they arrest for murder, robberies and other serious crimes. The jails are full and overflowing.
The police are often very afraid of the criminals they are after as the criminals have more street experience and practice with weapons than they do. Many of the criminals here seem to prefer to risk death than be captured and go to jail which makes them very dangerous indeed.
Maybe the police do not really get paid enough to feel they should put their own life at risk and would rather shoot first to ensure their own health.
Just some thoughts.
 
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martin

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Yeah, william Leslie is pretty much right... It's quite easy to be so politically correct when one doesn't have to go down in the barrios and do the dirty job of dealing with dangerous "tigres"... This generation, especially guys coming back from NYC, needs to understand how to live with respect for the others... Easy money with thieving, killing, drugs and prostitution, well, sometime you get killed for that... So long, folks... M.
 
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DR-VETERAN

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best would be:feed them heavy duty criminals to the sharks and there is imediate silence in society,more space in jail but propably a huge uproar from the human right group.
who of the hr guys would protect the rights of the victims?
 
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Police grl

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Unless you walk in the shoes of a police officer...blah blah!

We don't see the daily things officers see and face. It's horrible. My father was an officer in NY and that changed my views. As far as I am concerned people deserve what they get. Police follow trouble. If you not doing anything wrong...then why would they be after you or following you?

Just a thought to ponder!
 
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Duarte

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Apparently none of you have never had to deal with Dominican police AKA Thugs. That's right, they are the most tigres, thieves, muggers, murderors, etc. in the whole country. FYI Out of about 10 people that I know from my hometown, who joined the police, at least 6 of them were well known drug dealers, thieves, and all around thugs, before they joined. Not to mention, pretty much illiterate. All they needed was a "recommendation" from some relative to join the force. Next thing you know that guy that was a drug dealer is now a drug dealer or thug with an official gun and a badge.
Are you going to tell me that it is fair that out 500 murders committed since Candelier took over, less than 1% of these cops have been canceled and none taken to justice? I mean in the US a group of cops is caught on camera beating a guy (Rodney King) and there are huge riots when they're declared innocent, but in the DR a group of cops are caught on camera as they arrest and handcuff 3 people, put them on a truck, and they don't even make it to jail,before they're executed. What happened to these cops? Absolutely nothing.
The moral of the story is don't talk BS until you understand what the situation is in the DR. Don't compare NYC with the DR. The dominican police is not a force that was created to serve and protect, but a paramilitary force used to carry out the dirty work of Trujillo. Unfortunately, even though Trujillo is now gone, the same attitudes still prevail.
 
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CES

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Re: The Police

In a nut shell:

>>> "FYI Out of about 10 people that I know from my hometown, who joined the police, at least 6 of them were well known drug dealers, thieves, and all around thugs, before they joined. Not to mention, pretty much illiterate." <<<

I think you can draw your own conclusions as to the type of police work being done in the DR. . .

. . . CES

ps . . . "For every fatal shooting, there were roughly three non-fatal shootings. And, folks, this is unacceptable in America. It's just unacceptable. And we're going to do something about it."

--Philadelphia, May 14, 2001 (Thanks to John Brooks.)

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Larry

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Ever hear the name Amadou Diallo?

Who was that guy who was shot 41 times because the police thought his wallet was a gun? Or how about the haitian immigrant who ended up with a plunger up his butt and then in his mouth. Ask your father if these are the law enforcement techniques he was taught and now espouses. My guess is you probably lived in the suburbs all your life in a neat and tidy little enclave where the only face of color you saw was due to a sun tan.
 
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Bobs

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Last time I visited (99), I (was asked to) make an official courtesycall to HQ Policia Nacional and the Police Training Command DGEE. I had no problems making my concerns known over the statistics of shooting incidents as published ao by Amnesty International. I saw my escort turning dark blue in the face. Not their favorite subject. I do know from conversations with several in the top brass that it is very troubling and that internal action is taken against offenders. Unfortunately, investigations of shooting incidents is done poorly, if at all.
I have high hopes for some of the junior commanders I had the pleasure to meet, work and tour barracks with. Same goes for some of the local cadre. Things are changing, but ever so slowly (tranquilo y con cautela). Some things are clear : 1/ I wouldn't mind having some officers I met, work with me here. 2/ Some of the stuff these compadres have to confront in the barrios
would make a seasoned big city cop in the US or Europe turn and run.
 
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DR-VETERAN

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so let's get your guns and join the criminals chasings cops.
would that be it?
first let the police do their job and after they are done start changing them.
always remember:it takes a thief to catch a thief.
 
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Karl

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Re: Ever hear the name Amadou Diallo?

Looks like i see another racist against the suburb people again...get off welfare and get a job, then you can join us hardworking people in the sub's.
 
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Tgf

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Re: The Police

I don't think shooting suspects is the solution either. Granted, police have a hard job but that doesn't mean they have the right to be judge, jury (I know - not in the DR), and executioner as well. Police have every right to defend themselves if needed. Professionalism is the key. True anywhere in the world. Innocents often get caught up in gunfire between police and suspects. Question: how well does "tabla" or zinc roofing stop a 9mm bullet?
 
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Larry

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Perhaps you should reread the message

Police grl said if you aren't doing anything wrong, then you have nothing to fear from the police. Could you explain what the two people I referenced were doing wrong when they were assaulted by the police. By the way, I'm a real estate developer and I live in the suburbs. But unlike you, I'm not so ignorant as to believe that because the person wears a badge, that automatically qualifies him for sainthood. Moral character isn't conveyed along with a uniform, a badge and a gun. It's instilled in you as you're growing up by the people around you and they lessons they teach you. In short, you either have it by the time you are an adult, or you never will. No amount of police training will overcome basic character flaws. How many of your hard earned tax dollars were paid to that haitian immigrant and the Diallo family because your police officers screwed up?
 
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CES

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Re: The Police

>>> "Professionalism is the key. True anywhere in the world." <<<

We come to this forum and moan and groan about the "SHOOT first and there are NO QUESTIONS to ask later" policy of the cowboy mentality that seems to drive the NP in the DR. As long as the "head agronomist" sets on his hands precious little will change. IMHO

I think "Bobs" has a very good idea as to how the NP operate and I'm sure he could add some more "colour" to his previous comments.

As too police work in the "States" all can say is "FBI" and "NYPD" . . .

Regards,

. . . CES
 
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John

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Re: Thanks Larry and Duarte: WELL SAID!

everybody is worried about the police,the police are never right in the minds of the public.they either did too much or not enough just like in the u.s. where one police shooting is all over the papers but where hundreds of murders take place among your own kind.you should clean your own yard before your neighbors.
 
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John

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just by the way you word your note murdered by the police without any facts tells me you are bias against them.
 
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Duarte

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Yes, murdered!!! You heard me! I don't have to prove anything to you, but you don't have to be a rocket scientist to realize that when 500 people are killed in "shooting Exchanges", and most of them don't even have a gun with them, what do you call that? What do you call 3 people who are handcuffed and then killed, like it happened in Moca? And there's prove of that...Videotape.
Look man I don't know where you grew up, but I grew up seeing all of this happen, all around me, so don't tell me I'm biased. Yes there are cops who are shot at, and they have a right to defend themselves, but most of the supposed "shoot outs" are just murders, plain and simple.
 
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DR-VETERAN

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like i said.feeding time for the sharks!
what about the victims of criminals?being assaulted and killed in your own home by an intruder(2 weeks ago a german in sosua) does not spur the same kind of press as killing a bunch of criminals in shootouts.
what do you "Duarte" say in defense of the killed victims?
as long as things are as they are there will be no change.many people here don't necesarily approve of the police actions but are relieved anyway of each criminal less which is in circulation.