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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    Dead = A few people walking around, 80% of the stores available, store owners moaning no customers.

    So how would you define the above?

    I have been to Blue Mall maybe 25 times and have seen maybe 4-5 people actually buying something.
    The only busy areas I see, are the food court, movies, sometimes the banks and Orange and Claro stores.
    So in the entire Blue Mall only 4 to 5 people are actually buying something in all the stores... Only 20% of the stores are occupied spaces and store owners are "moaning" there are no clients???


    I call an egg an egg and what you said is certainly not Kosher...





    I'll be posting some updated videos (they seem to do a better job with expat perception of reality VS opinions) from the Malls in the DR soon in these threads. I mean the ones called "dead" and with only 4-5 clients actually buying in the entire Mall, with 80% of stores available and owners moaning that there are no clients to sell to...

    The same thing I'll be doing in a thread called Dominican Middle Class, where opinions are a distant relation to reality.

    And yet the Blue Mall is a project that's not even finished as of today!


    One Dominican at a time please!


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    One Dominican at a time please!


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    A friend of a friend says B.S. to 3-5 people only buying in the entire Mall...





    A college student getting her shoes...
    One Dominican at a time please!


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    I had Dominican friends who owned businesses while I was living in the DR and in their opinions many of these "dead" malls stayed open since so much drug money was being laundered through them. When you are washing money clean customers aren't as necessary as when trying to make a straight legal profit from a store.

    Of course I am not saying that every store, or even most stores, in the mall(s) are used to this end but it is a real situation in many cases, IMO.

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    PICHARDO. Read what I wrote, I defined "dead" for you in relation to Terra Mall in Santiago.

    Now let's move onto Blue Mall. As I have posted, I have been there 25+ times, the last time a couple of weeks ago. Plaza Central still has much more foot traffic and people actually spending than Blue Mall. Yes, I know they are different malls that cater to a different demographic, but it has movement and people spending. It's BS to come here and say Blue Mall is something it's not right now. It caters to the elite and that represents a very small demographic.

    Oh yeah, for those that don't know how the DR works, that college student is not indicative of college students, 90% don't have the means to drop RD$3-5,000 on a pair of shoes.

    Keeping it real....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    The place is dead, at least it was last time I walked around a few months ago.
    Yep, in fact so much so that more than half those stores he posted ARE NOT there. Bro when you were here I took fotos of every floor and every wing of this mall. And apart from ground floor which faces the street it is very sparsely occupied in there. And most of the stores compete with each other, for example, in most of the wings there are spaces for 45 stores but only 3 there. And almost ALL of these are aesthetic related businesses(ie. salons, manicure/pedicure, massage parlors, etc). On the 3rd floor where there should be a bustling food court there are a smattering of places to eat most all with bored looking employees and NO customers.

    The best thing about it though is since there are no people there and Wi-Fi is available it is a great air conditioned location to use the internet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PICHARDO View Post
    Yup! DEAD! So dead that you can't find a store that's open for biz there... Right?
    Right! There are spaces for at least 250 merchant and in a head count you cant find more than 30 in the whole place. Those you find dont do any business, unless it is like selling ONE pair of sunglasses all week. Not to mention the rear of the mall isnt even finished. The divided the floor space but didnt pave the floors in the lots in the rear on ALL floors nor wire the lots for electricity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PICHARDO View Post
    You have a very acute problem of trying to measure what you think is biz in your country to that of the DR... Here there's no bulk foot clients, but targeted shoppers and services. Out of 100 people that visit a Mall or plaza in the DR, 75% go to buy something they'd aimed to firsthand and less than 40% would buy another article/service on the visit based on impulse buying.

    In the US/UK/CA and other places I'm familiar with, over 60% of foot traffic is non-buyers and only 35% of those doing a purchase went there for that reason alone. In contrast 60% of sales are based on impulse buyers and 5% on extended services from the first sales.

    This is the same "dead" as Bella Vista Mall? If it were to those that are calling it out, Bella Vista Mall would have been demolished already years ago... Strange thing is, that it continues to be on the market and is not going bankrupt like the U.S./U.K/CA malls anytime soon...


    Here is a question for all of you here that "know" about biz in the DR: Tell me one plaza/mall that you "consider" to be alive based on your notion of not dead or doing good?

    Just one example will suffice!
    You re nuts! Bro! The mall was built(completed) last year so how could it have been demolished years ago? Number one: the hair salon on the mezzanine of the 2nd floor, Zardhin International hair salon is not even in business anymore. They opened up in like June 2010 and then were gone like 3 months later. Those were Dominican Americans with that concept of full service spa/hair salon. It went belly-up because there are 3 other similar type operations just on the 2nd floor run by Dominicans who had cheaper prices and more familiar techniques. Now if you go there and take pictures WHICH I DID the only proof you have that there ever was a tenant there was the Lettering on the Glass facade of the lot.

    You must be in Florida right now because there is no way you can tell me with a straight face that Terra Mall is a success. The only demarcation of success for anyone affiliated with this mall is if your sole purpose was to sell bulk construction materials.

    In Santiago all the malls are dead, but with respect to floor occupancy I think only Plaza Internacional is a winner in that category. Almost all of the lots are occupied but I am not sure the quantity of business they are doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PICHARDO View Post



    Video shot last July at the "dead" Bella Terra Mall of Santiago...

    I see "Dead" people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Walk out side the door to this business to the food court and you will see NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO PEOPLE! I just told you man, this place is perfect to use the internet because there is ALWAYS a place to sit. In Plaza Internacional you can never find a place to sit next to electricity and use the internet. In Terra Mall, not so. Its dark and air conditioned like the BatCave so why not go there. Of course spending money there serves no purpose because there are no merchants.

    Another question for you though, why is there a Burger King in the mall and another one across the street?

    I dont know what post #8 was about, it sounded like gibberish to me but seriously the mall was built to show the level of contemporary engineering skills the country has while doing nothing about securing a disposable income for the general population. This mall will carry on for 10 years like Colinas Mall and then a more modern super structure will be built and it will be deja vu all over again.

    THE ONLY THING MOVING PEOPLE IN TERRA MALL IS THE CINEMA WHEN IT HAS FIRST RUN 3D MOVIES, like Avatar or UP.

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    Too bad the photographer didn't use a wide angle lens. For every open shop 4 are empyy.

    Was there last weak on a Saturday afternoon. Ghost town. We saw fewer than 10 non-employees walikng around and an empty underground parking garage.

    Many stores in the photos are gone.

    We went to the baby/toy store. We were the only customers among 6 employees.

    Very disappointed. Nice place, though.

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