Possible New Rules For Haitian Immigrants

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From today's Sosua News:

According to listin Diario there are currently at least one million illegal Haitians in the Dominican Republic. Santiago is a particularly popular area for illegal immigrants because there, in the agriculture, construction, sugar cane and tobacco plantations is a continually demand for cheap labor.

The Haitians are willing to work well below the minimum wages and then it is often heavy and dirty work that many Dominican don't even think about doing it. The central government now wants set higher demands for immigration. An immigrant must have opened a bank account, he must have himself reported with a lawyer and he must know a Dominican who will stand guarantee for him. These are at least the rules mentioned. If any of these requirements also apply to other foreigners for a residence, is not clear. But it is certain that the government wants to curb the illegal influx of Haitians, trying to escape the poverty of their country caused by the earthquake two years ago.
 
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I'm sure that the new"Law" will be written to apply to all "foreigners",but only be used against the "Haitianos"!
The "rest of us bring in too many $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ to be messed with!
You know the DR,"Lots Of Laws",unequal application"!
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and what will they do with all the Dominicans who don't have a bank account I wonder
 
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Ken said:
From today's Sosua News:

According to listin Diario there are currently at least one million illegal Haitians in the Dominican Republic. Santiago is a particularly popular area for illegal immigrants because there, in the agriculture, construction, sugar cane and tobacco plantations is a continually demand for cheap labor.

The Haitians are willing to work well below the minimum wages and then it is often heavy and dirty work that many Dominican don't even think about doing it. The central government now wants set higher demands for immigration. An immigrant must have opened a bank account, he must have himself reported with a lawyer and he must know a Dominican who will stand guarantee for him. These are at least the rules mentioned. If any of these requirements also apply to other foreigners for a residence, is not clear. But it is certain that the government wants to curb the illegal influx of Haitians, trying to escape the poverty of their country caused by the earthquake two years ago.
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Not so...

They have a special worker visa/residency permit for Haitians now. They are required to go back and get their passport and Haitian documents in order, visit the DR consulate for their worker permit (which was filled by the employer back in the DR prior to their leaving back to Haiti). The must pass a health screening and police record of good conduct in Haiti.

They are provided with their "Carnet" which is the work permit to work, reside and transit in the DR freely. Which they must file with the JCE for their tax ID and local IRS. The employer does this part with them.

The law requires that companies hire at maximum of 20% foreigners and 80% Dominicans in their workplace. Any violations will be fined from now on by each person found above this limit.

The Gov will not go after the Haitians in the DR, but their employers with hefty fines and in cases of repetition violations, jail time.

The next phase will clear the streets of vendors and also from public areas. To this end the DR will employ bio-metric instruments that can record the person's identity and spot repeat violators. Those found in violation of the Law will be fined and then deported, Those repeat offenders will be fined, jailed and then deported. Each time the jail sentence for illegal re-entry will be hiked more and the fines as well. Those which can't pay the fines with their own money of family, will be put to work in special duties and jobs within the facilities.

People that are found transporting undocumented Haitians in their vehicles will see their vehicles impounded and sold in auction by the state, hefty fines and jail time. Second offenders will be prosecuted as human traffickers...
 
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Right, all that along with Smart Guns and Cashless Society. You were right about the Metro, I will give you that. At least you haven't said there will ever be 24/7 power for everyone in the DR unless I missed that post.
 
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Criss Colon said:
I'm sure that the new"Law" will be written to apply to all "foreigners",but only be used against the "Haitianos"!
The "rest of us bring in too many $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ to be messed with!
You know the DR,"Lots Of Laws",unequal application"!
CCCCCC
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I have seen my share of white skins loaded up on some of those roundups.
 
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I think the Dominican laws concerning immigration are just fine. Now why don't we all look at that big meany Brasil, it just barred entry to all illegal Haitian migrants. Ken, go sign up for BR1 and beat your chest over there buddy.
 
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Darn it, I just misplaced by biometric cedula. Can they track it down for me using GPS?
 
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Lando calrisian said:
I think the Dominican laws concerning immigration are just fine. Now why don't we all look at that big meany Brasil, it just barred entry to all illegal Haitian migrants. Ken, go sign up for BR1 and beat your chest over there buddy.
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Miss,
I did a quick search and brazil just granted permanent residence to the 4000 illegal haitian immigrants already in the country??
 
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Yesterday in Sosua the police were rounding up Haitians throughout town. I saw a couple of trucks full of Haitians being driven into the police station. Although a lot of them are here illegally you can't help feeling for them....right or wrong it is still heartbreaking to see, even though the majority of them may well make their way back into the country, there are families that are torn apart each time this happens....just sad to see even though it is inevitable.
 
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windeguy said:
Right, all that along with Smart Guns and Cashless Society. You were right about the Metro, I will give you that. At least you haven't said there will ever be 24/7 power for everyone in the DR unless I missed that post.
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The smart guns is more than just gimmicks windy, the DR is creating the regulation and law by which this will be enabled in our system. Before the gov can mandate the Police to recall all non-smart guns in the hands of permit holders, the regulation that provides that lawful mandate must be enacted. There are not less than 17 bills that must be passed and enacted before that rolls out here, all to be tested in the waters of the supreme court as well by the sure to come challenges from permit holders.

In essence the Interior y Policia will have permit holders bring their guns to them under a re-registration process, under which they'll be given an option to purchase a new Smart Gun to remain armed. The old guns will be seized (need the law in place to allow this step) and depending on how the program is inserted either sold to an international arms broker (with the values returned to the owners in the DR) or destroyed.

The DR is not under a dictadura windy, the Law must be in place for all that to take place and new Laws take time to be enacted, if you didn't notice it before. More so when we have pro-gun and strict gun control's sides here as well in the chambers.

Take a look at just one of the many bills in course for that goal:


Deputies approve stricter controls over guns
83C30343-47F8-41A0-AAC3-1597279D33F8.jpeg

PRSC party deputy Victor (Ito) Bisono


Santo Domingo.- The Chamber of Deputies yesterday approved the bill which would stiffen controls and regulations on guns, ammunition and explosives, aimed at drastically hardening the penalties for the use, possession and sale of illegal weapons.The initiative with substantial changes to Law 36 on firearms bearing and possession was favored by the vote of 126 lawmakers, though a final vote was scheduled for Thursday morning, to hear and consider some observations raised by several deputies in the Chamber.The legislation proposed by pro-government PRSC party deputy Victor (Ito) Bisono had been making the rounds for several years in the lower Chamber.In passed into Law, it would criminalize the traffic of guns, including their alteration and modification. It would also create a government agency assigned to the Interior and Police Ministry, but would coordinate its operation with the Armed Forces.“The law’s primary target is to prevent and reduce the violence with firearms. We are sure that through a norm we can help discourage the use of weapons in actions that violate the law,” said the deputy Elpidio B?ez, who motivated the bill.He said the current system’s main problem is the inadequate control to register all guns, which in his view is an obstacle for the authorities to investigate and prosecute crimes.
http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/local/2012/1/11/42280/Deputies-approve-stricter-controls-over-guns



This is only one of the many in the chain that need to be in place before you see those Smart Guns you laugh about in the DR...


As for the cashless part? Wait and see!
 
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jackichan said:
Miss,
I did a quick search and brazil just granted permanent residence to the 4000 illegal haitian immigrants already in the country??
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Brazil announces plan to rein in immigration from Haiti
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REPORTING FROM RIO DE JANEIRO -- Brazil has announced plans to grant amnesty to thousands of Haitian immigrants but deport any who cross the border from Peru, Ecuador and Bolivia without visas in the future.

Brazil will issue 100 visas a month in Port-au-Prince, the Haitian capital, both to ease the burden on border towns that have been overwhelmed by refugees seeking visas and to try to reduce dangerous smuggling operations, authorities said.

Since a 2010 earthquake in their nation, 4,000 Haitians have arrived in Brazil, rapidly expanding the already growing ranks of immigrants. They come seeking a better life and relying on relatively tolerant policies toward undocumented migrants.

The Brazilian economy has been growing rapidly and unemployment is at historic lows, but the arrival of immigrants quickly pushed against the limits of a bureaucracy that has been more used to seeing its own citizens go abroad in search of work.

Brazil has long prided itself on respecting the rights of immigrants, and most that get here can count on being given a work visa sooner or later. But those waiting for that process to unfold in cities like Brasileia, near the borders with Peru and Bolivia, were making it hard for locals to care for them.

?The city is small, we don't have sufficient infrastructure, and we already have local problems,? Mayor Leila Galvao told the local newspaper O Globo. ?We couldn't take care of them the way we would have liked to.?

About 1,600 Haitians had already received humanitarian visas, which allow them to work in Brazil. Once word spread that Brazilians were friendly, and likely to be able to offer job opportunities, the flow across the borders accelerated. In the last three days of 2011, 500 Haitians arrived in Brasileia.

Brazilian Justice Minister Jose Eduardo Cardozo said the government would take action to tighten the border areas where smugglers were operating. But Brazil shares more than 10,000 miles of border with 10 countries, and the more effective deterrent is likely to be the threat of deportation ? a threat that left some commentators divided.

The amnesty ?is a way of recognizing the economic need of these people. Obviously Brazil has a policy based on human rights, and we recognize the problem in Haiti,? Cardozo said. ?But we can't agree that it is a situation that is completely out of control.?

Recently the Justice Ministry published figures that indicated that for the first time in 20 years, there are more foreigners living in Brazil than Brazilians living abroad. But still, there are only an estimated 2 million legal and illegal immigrants in Brazil, a nation of about 195 million people.

Not all of the arrivals are from poorer countries. Professionals from Europe and the U.S. have also been setting up shop here ? and often earning more.

The local governments in western Brazil, thousands of miles away from the country's much richer population centers, were overwhelmed by the Haitians. There were no reports of any conflicts with the local population. However, after spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on social assistance, one state government began buying bus tickets to take immigrants to another state.

Haitians have had to go through a difficult process to apply for visas to Brazil. And the typical journey might take them through Panama and at least one other country to get to the world's sixth-largest economy and a country that prides itself on openness.

?Here [in Sao Paulo], I don't have to think about whether I have something to eat,? Haitian visa holder Robens Valere told the O Globo newspaper. ?Here, I'm not afraid.?

ALSO:

Brazil announces plan to rein in immigration from Haiti - latimes.com
 
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The smart guns is more than just gimmicks windy, the DR is creating the regulation and law by which this will be enabled in our system. Before the gov can mandate the Police to recall all non-smart guns in the hands of permit holders, the regulation that provides that lawful mandate must be enacted. There are not less than 17 bills that must be passed and enacted before that rolls out here, all to be tested in the waters of the supreme court as well by the sure to come challenges from permit holders.

In essence the Interior y Policia will have permit holders bring their guns to them under a re-registration process, under which they'll be given an option to purchase a new Smart Gun to remain armed. The old guns will be seized (need the law in place to allow this step) and depending on how the program is inserted either sold to an international arms broker (with the values returned to the owners in the DR) or destroyed.

The DR is not under a dictadura windy, the Law must be in place for all that to take place and new Laws take time to be enacted, if you didn't notice it before. More so when we have pro-gun and strict gun control's sides here as well in the chambers.

Take a look at just one of the many bills in course for that goal:


Deputies approve stricter controls over guns
83C30343-47F8-41A0-AAC3-1597279D33F8.jpeg

PRSC party deputy Victor (Ito) Bisono


Santo Domingo.- The Chamber of Deputies yesterday approved the bill which would stiffen controls and regulations on guns, ammunition and explosives, aimed at drastically hardening the penalties for the use, possession and sale of illegal weapons.The initiative with substantial changes to Law 36 on firearms bearing and possession was favored by the vote of 126 lawmakers, though a final vote was scheduled for Thursday morning, to hear and consider some observations raised by several deputies in the Chamber.The legislation proposed by pro-government PRSC party deputy Victor (Ito) Bisono had been making the rounds for several years in the lower Chamber.In passed into Law, it would criminalize the traffic of guns, including their alteration and modification. It would also create a government agency assigned to the Interior and Police Ministry, but would coordinate its operation with the Armed Forces.“The law’s primary target is to prevent and reduce the violence with firearms. We are sure that through a norm we can help discourage the use of weapons in actions that violate the law,” said the deputy Elpidio B?ez, who motivated the bill.He said the current system’s main problem is the inadequate control to register all guns, which in his view is an obstacle for the authorities to investigate and prosecute crimes.
http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/local/2012/1/11/42280/Deputies-approve-stricter-controls-over-guns



This is only one of the many in the chain that need to be in place before you see those Smart Guns you laugh about in the DR...


As for the cashless part? Wait and see!
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I see, they will do all of this rather than enforce the laws already in existence. Makes sense to me.
 
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PICHARDO said:
Not so...

They have a special worker visa/residency permit for Haitians now. They are required to go back and get their passport and Haitian documents in order, visit the DR consulate for their worker permit (which was filled by the employer back in the DR prior to their leaving back to Haiti). The must pass a health screening and police record of good conduct in Haiti.

They are provided with their "Carnet" which is the work permit to work, reside and transit in the DR freely. Which they must file with the JCE for their tax ID and local IRS. The employer does this part with them.

The law requires that companies hire at maximum of 20% foreigners and 80% Dominicans in their workplace. Any violations will be fined from now on by each person found above this limit.

The Gov will not go after the Haitians in the DR, but their employers with hefty fines and in cases of repetition violations, jail time.

The next phase will clear the streets of vendors and also from public areas. To this end the DR will employ bio-metric instruments that can record the person's identity and spot repeat violators. Those found in violation of the Law will be fined and then deported, Those repeat offenders will be fined, jailed and then deported. Each time the jail sentence for illegal re-entry will be hiked more and the fines as well. Those which can't pay the fines with their own money of family, will be put to work in special duties and jobs within the facilities.

People that are found transporting undocumented Haitians in their vehicles will see their vehicles impounded and sold in auction by the state, hefty fines and jail time. Second offenders will be prosecuted as human traffickers...
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According to reports.. there are now over 300,000 Haitians ALREADY registered for this card- that is since the law was signed in October.

Migracion: hay en RD 380 mil haitianos con permiso de residencia - ElNacional.com.do

I so ALL these Haitians went back to PauP, got their Haitian documents in order, then got their health checks, then got their Dominican papers ... in THREE months?
 
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mountainannie said:
According to reports.. there are now over 300,000 Haitians ALREADY registered for this card- that is since the law was signed in October.

Migracion: hay en RD 380 mil haitianos con permiso de residencia - ElNacional.com.do

I so ALL these Haitians went back to PauP, got their Haitian documents in order, then got their health checks, then got their Dominican papers ... in THREE months?
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Nope! Only "registered" by their employers alone, that means each employer must now do the same the small group that was just re-admitted into the DR with their work permits (Carnet) on hands, after having been sent home to get their passport and Haitian documents in order and applied at the consulate with their employer's job guaranteed in the DR.

All these workers (380,000) plus the others not get registered, must carry out the same procedure to be (Carnetizados)...

They are going by the bottom job level and up, as in agriculture and construction sectors first...

The employers then are given a break to comply with the 20% Foreign and 80% Dominican labor Law. After which they can be fined per each violation over that set % of workers that are NOT nationals.

That means that employers will need to entice locals to take up the jobs by offering competitive wages unlike before. It also means that Haitians MUST get paid the going rate for their job positions according to the Law with the benefits it brings, like healthcare, compensation, etc... Like any other Dominican hired hand!

The general idea is to have biz and employers self comply or face stiff fines and possible jail to the principals if a pattern of violations is present after a given number of fines.

Working permits are married to the jobs prior to issued in the respective consulate abroad, the employer is the one financing their employee's permits and paperwork.

Another aspect this approach has, it's to entice Haitians to seek residency permits long term and open bank accounts for savings/debit cards, invest their savings here in the DR and such.


The cost of deportation if a permit holder violates the terms of their stay and work in the DR, is all covered by an added insurance that the employer must buy for each employee hired. In the case of foreigners!

This will apply not only to Haitians but a lot of expats currently working in the DR without permits of the type of residency that allows it. The employer is the one that's going to face the expensive fines and possible jail time when multiple offender.

That pretty much means that when you spot a Haitian in the future anywhere in the DR, it will be one that has a job here legally, have their residency up to date or is a tourist visiting.
 
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384 first work visas issued to Haitians


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SANTIAGO. A total of 384 Haitian workers have arrived in the last days to the country with the first work visas issued by the Directorate General of Immigration, after approval of the new Immigration Rules introduced recently in the Dominican Republic.


These laborers have started to work on banana farms in North Plantations Company SRL, located in Montecristi, confirmed Migration.


The company financed the documentation of the workers to work in the country, ensuring the possibility of a legal stay and a return to their country of origin as of the terms of the contract.


Aliens were admitted under the new legal status of temporary workers, which complies with the requirements of Law No. 285-04 and its implementing regulations number 631-11.


The human resources director of the North Plantation, LLC, Gianni Dal Mas, told Diario Libre that the company is the first in the country that hosts the program established by the concerted gradual migration program. "We are committed to gradually reduce the Haitian labor to achieve full compliance with the provisions of Article 135 of Labour Code" he said.


The said article provides a ratio of 80 percent of national manpower and no more than 20 percent of foreign workers.


The company currently has North Plantations 800 foreigners laboring Haitian nationals, shall be adjusted and the remaining 600 will be replaced by Dominican workers.


380,000 Regularized


Yesterday, the Director of Immigration, Jos? Ricardo Taveras, said the institution, with the cooperation of companies and producers in the country, has registered 380,000 Haitians who perform different tasks in the Dominican Republic.


Delivering remarks at the "Day" of Telesistema, channel 11, the official also indicated that they have developed the work of the National Foreign regularization.


Rules for hiring foreigners


Last October, President Fernandez signed the regulations governing the application of Law 285-04 on Migration, which stipulates that foreigners entering the country as employees for work must reach an agreement, visa typified, and the policy insurance that will provide the contractor, who will be responsible for worker's return to his country, and if it fails, it will be brought to justice. Article 68 indicates that non-resident aliens who enter or have entered and reside or have resided in RD without legal immigration status are considered people in transit.


Otorgan primeras 384 visas de trabajo a haitianos - DiarioLibre.com
 
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PICHARDO said:
Nope! Only "registered" by their employers alone, that means each employer must now do the same the small group that was just re-admitted into the DR with their work permits (Carnet) on hands, after having been sent home to get their passport and Haitian documents in order and applied at the consulate with their employer's job guaranteed in the DR.

All these workers (380,000) plus the others not get registered, must carry out the same procedure to be (Carnetizados)...

They are going by the bottom job level and up, as in agriculture and construction sectors first...

The employers then are given a break to comply with the 20% Foreign and 80% Dominican labor Law. After which they can be fined per each violation over that set % of workers that are NOT nationals.

That means that employers will need to entice locals to take up the jobs by offering competitive wages unlike before. It also means that Haitians MUST get paid the going rate for their job positions according to the Law with the benefits it brings, like healthcare, compensation, etc... Like any other Dominican hired hand!

The general idea is to have biz and employers self comply or face stiff fines and possible jail to the principals if a pattern of violations is present after a given number of fines.

Working permits are married to the jobs prior to issued in the respective consulate abroad, the employer is the one financing their employee's permits and paperwork.

Another aspect this approach has, it's to entice Haitians to seek residency permits long term and open bank accounts for savings/debit cards, invest their savings here in the DR and such.


The cost of deportation if a permit holder violates the terms of their stay and work in the DR, is all covered by an added insurance that the employer must buy for each employee hired. In the case of foreigners!

This will apply not only to Haitians but a lot of expats currently working in the DR without permits of the type of residency that allows it. The employer is the one that's going to face the expensive fines and possible jail time when multiple offender.

That pretty much means that when you spot a Haitian in the future anywhere in the DR, it will be one that has a job here legally, have their residency up to date or is a tourist visiting.
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Picardo.. can you send me a link where I can actually read this new law? or a contact in the government that we should talk with? I am trying to help the Haitians in Las Terrenas organized-- most want to return to Haiti but some will have to stay.
 
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