Faux Dominican Historians and 50 years of Revisionism

Golo100

Bronze
Jan 5, 2002
2,138
56
0
It has been a pet peeve of mine the rise of a new breed of historians who continue to dominate and revise Dominican history apr?s Trujillo. This week the overrated French Castroist bufoon Piero Gleijeses, who was received with red carpet by our local "leftist" Castro lambones, came up with some outrageous bull from the past. He brings up again the "hero worship" of post-Trujillo politics, by enhancing Manolo Tavares Justo's image, while pitting another pseudo-hero Fidelio Despradel against him.
I have always asserted, because I lived the "era" and knew him somewhat, that Tavares Justo was nothing more than a Ramfis Trujillo-looks imitator, playboy, adventurer and bultero excellent. His claim to fame was to have married one of the most overrated heroines of our times, the Mirabal sisters, made famous by the errand pen of Julia Alvarez, Mario Vargas Llosa, whose only mistake was to lower himself writing La Fiesta del Chivo, and the new kid on the block Junot Diaz, who bluffed his way to a Pulitzer with "The Brief Wondrous Life of Oscar Wao, which I read fully in English. None of their books impressed me, although Vargas Llosa and I are in the same wavelenght philisophically, though his Nobel is well deserved.
But Tavares Justo was a foolish idiot who took to the mountains thinking he could emulate the other overrated hero Che Guevara and his idol Fidel Castro. He mistakingly underestimated Balaguer's temple and misread his own popularity with our peasant class. For it wasn't the Dominican army that did him in, but our loyalist peasants in the campos.
Such was the fate of all Cuban-led invasions, including the miserably failed Colonel Caama?o incursion. Caama?o, himself another police thug of the worst kind, like other fake heroes Imbert Barreras and Antonio dela Maza, is another example of revisionist heroism.
Gleijeses has impressed Dominican leftists with his John Hopkins resume, but nowhere is he listed in a faculty who's who in that famed school and his own claim to fame is a book about the US and Cuban interventions abroad and La Esperanza Desgarrada, his new book about the April '65 revolution.
This new book is another revisionist old hashed theme with pure self-made fiction.
It's not even in a league with Vargas Llosa's much invented historical account of events leading to Trujillo's death.
It's almost like my pet peeve with "historian" Juan Daniel Balcacer, member of the Dominican Historical Society, President of The Dominican Efemerides government agency. Here's a guy I grew up with in NYC. I don't recall ever seeing him go to college, much less high school. From that gang of friends in Washington Heights ,only my cousin and namesake and I went to and graduated from college in NYC. Juan Daniel was a street dude. Yet years later he shows up as a Dominican historian. i have yet to find a biography of him, including his own briefs describing his higher education. Yet he lectures at UASD. Such is the world of faux historians in DR.
 
Mar 1, 2009
941
144
0
If the Mirabal sister's are/were overrated, why did Trujillo have them brutally murdered, if they didn't matter? Or is that not historically accurate? Plus, what's your issue with Junot Diaz's book it seemed solid to me, the character development, the footnotes, the narration, it all flowed very well. I couldn't put the book down.
I'm not gonna argue with you about what you saw and have seen with regards to our history since I am waaaaayyy younger than you, yet your sounding like a bitter reformista at a colmado with a half empty beer. Also Balcacer might not have finished or even gone to school, but at least he is representing with the whole amores Patrios thing. He is bringing something to the table. In my view Balcacer is doing the right thing with regards to our Dominicanidad. Show me what your working with?
 

Hillbilly

Moderator
Jan 1, 2002
18,948
514
113
Golo: Long time no see. Good to have you back.
In fact I share your opinion of Manolo, since I faced off with him in Mao in 1962 or 63...He could not answer me except with the crap that was the party line.
Of course he showed up in a Jaguar with two babes hanging on his arms...no grieving widower he...I agree with the Ramfis wanna be.

And I agree with your take on Caama?o's failure as the result of not knowing Jack about the DR...

HB
 

Golo100

Bronze
Jan 5, 2002
2,138
56
0
If the Mirabal sister's are/were overrated, why did Trujillo have them brutally murdered, if they didn't matter? Or is that not historically accurate? Plus, what's your issue with Junot Diaz's book it seemed solid to me, the character development, the footnotes, the narration, it all flowed very well. I couldn't put the book down.
I'm not gonna argue with you about what you saw and have seen with regards to our history since I am waaaaayyy younger than you, yet your sounding like a bitter reformista at a colmado with a half empty beer. Also Balcacer might not have finished or even gone to school, but at least he is representing with the whole amores Patrios thing. He is bringing something to the table. In my view Balcacer is doing the right thing with regards to our Dominicanidad. Show me what your working with?

Lando: The ass who ordered the killing of the Mirabals acted on his own. Johnny Abbes was a loose cannon, just like every government has its own. Balaguer ended up killing more people than Trujillo ever did and he's now the PLD/PRSC national hero. Trujillo was too smart to have committed such stupidity. I wouldn't have been surprised if this were a plot by the same people who killed him. But I'll leave it at that. The old argument was that Trujillo did this out of passion/jealousy for Minerva. That's another myth. Trujillo had to swat out women like flies, even admonish politicians and officials who tried to entice their women to him.
He married a "dog" precisely to feel free to take care of his playboy life.
Moreover, the Mirabals were nice looking girls, but nothing out of the ordinary to make Trujillo fall for them.
Their husbands were not even that great looking either. The most handsome was Tavares Justo, a frustrated young man who aspired to be Ramfis, but fast balding and gaining weight. In comparison, Ramfis was a living Adonis, smart, sharp although extremely arrogant and aloof. Ramfis never cared much about living in DR. His heart was in Europe. Had he wanted to stay in power he could have easily done it. But he took care of eliminating the gang that killed Trujillo, the best thing he did for the country. I cannot imagine DR with those people alive, considering all the damage done by the survivor Imbert Barreras.
As far as being drinking beer depressed, you wish! Unlike "comecheque" at the Efemerides, Banco Central and BR owe me, not viceversa and the interest they pay me and others is the reason they have a $280 billion debt. I let Balcacer do his cheap little paper flag waving for a check every month. The guy didn't even qualify for US social security 'cause he never worked in NY and used to beg, like most of the PLD brass chopos who run this government. I have nothing against Junot Diaz. He's a fine writer. I met him at Carol Morgan School when he came to promote his book here and gave a good account of himself before the student body and faculty, except his foul language from the barrios he grew up in Jersey came out at times in front of a student audience. I bought his book there. Junot basicly wrote sort of a biography of himself inmersed in DR make believe history. You can see that his footnote about Trujillo's assasination is colored with his own and popular myths, but nevertheless cool. But he mixes revised history as if it were real, just like Julia A.
 
Aug 19, 2004
572
30
0
Golo, since time immemorial history is written by the victors. It's been that way always, and the politically correct version is imposed through coercion, for example, what is known as the holocaust. However, there are courageous individuals who dare give is the real facts, for example, Holocaust Hoax Exposed! | American Free Press

So what does this have to do with the DR? Quack historians can always find evidence to support their arguments.
 
Jul 4, 2010
403
22
0
Actually, the title of Golo's thread is misleading, since the official story line cannot be called revisionism. Anything that goes against the politically correct official story of events is called 'conspiracy theory' or 'revesionist history'. What we have here concerning decades of Dominican history is outright censorship. Books are not allowed to be published or sold. Historical exhibits are not given the required permits to open their doors. Then there is the professional or moral bashing of anyone who dares express otherwise. There should be no place for this in an open and democratic society.
 

NALs

Economist by Profession
Jan 20, 2003
13,508
3,201
113
Lando: The ass who ordered the killing of the Mirabals acted on his own. Johnny Abbes was a loose cannon, just like every government has its own.
Johnny Abbes was not in the country when the Mirabals were killed and if he was to be in the country, the Mirabals would had never been killed. General Rom?n was the one that gave the order.

Golo100 said:
Trujillo was too smart to have committed such stupidity.
Trujillo never killed a single woman.

Golo100 said:
I wouldn't have been surprised if this were a plot by the same people who killed him.
Remember what Balaguer said in Trujillo's funeral: Sobre sus hombros se han cargado muchas deudas que ?l no contrajo jam?s.

Golo100 said:
But I'll leave it at that.
Vamos Golo, tienes que mejorar tus intentos de disimular. Sabes m?s de la cuenta para con estos asuntos, pero dices las verdades sin decir nada expl?cito. Bien, dej?moslo ah?. Ja ja

Golo100 said:
I have nothing against Junot Diaz. He's a fine writer.
El problema de D?az radica en su resentimiento y su soberbia. Hasta se atrevi? formar parte de un piquete antidominicano frente al consulado, en Nueva York, con el fin de favorecer los intereses haitianos. Ciertamente es un 'writer', pero jam?s se podr?a considerar 'fine'.
 
Last edited:

Hillbilly

Moderator
Jan 1, 2002
18,948
514
113
Junot D?az is certainly not a historian. Like a few people I know I actually read his book, and for the life of me, I cannot see why it got the Pulitzer...Okay, it's an fair read, if and only if you know the DR intimately. I mean inside out. Otherwise it would never make any sense...

You can't understand the racism, the religion, the classism, the elitism, the diaspora, and the rest of what this country is, unless you are on intimate terms with it.

Apart from that, I will read our friend's comments.

HB
 

Trainman33

Bronze
Dec 11, 2009
1,146
56
48
Between reading two books I came upon a really surprising coincidence. It appears that the same person who was in charge of the operation that killed the Mirabals, Ciracio de la Rosa, was possibly also the person who killed Amado Garcia Guerrero.

Mirabal, Dede. Vivas en su Jardin. New York: Vintage Espa?ol. 2009. (248)

Diederich, Bernard. Trujillo: The Death of the Dictator. Princeton: Markus Wiener. 1978 (183)
 
Jul 4, 2010
403
22
0
Between reading two books I came upon a really surprising coincidence. It appears that the same person who was in charge of the operation that killed the Mirabals, Ciracio de la Rosa, was possibly also the person who killed Amado Garcia Guerrero.

Mirabal, Dede. Vivas en su Jardin. New York: Vintage Espa?ol. 2009. (248)

Diederich, Bernard. Trujillo: The Death of the Dictator. Princeton: Markus Wiener. 1978 (183)

Ciriaco de la Rosa was tried, convicted and sentenced to a 30 year prison term in 1962 for the Mirabal killings. He escaped from prison during the 1965 Revolution and flew to NY city where he died not many years ago of old age. He was a faithful member of a PRD chapter in Manhattan, with the name, get ready for this, "Hermanas Mirabal".
 

Golo100

Bronze
Jan 5, 2002
2,138
56
0
Johnny Abbes was not in the country when the Mirabals were killed and if he was to be in the country, the Mirabals would had never been killed. General Rom?n was the one that gave the order.
Remember what Balaguer said in Trujillo's funeral: Sobre sus hombros se han cargado muchas deudas que ?l no contrajo jam?s."

Jesus NALS! You went beyond the event horizon. Did you know you just offended the memory of Pupo the hero? That'll cost you points with faux-historian, Chief of Patriotism Juan Daniel Balcacer(ask me where I graduated to become member/VP of the Dominican Historical Society). Or did you forget that "coward and traitor for excellence" Pupo Roma, the same one Ramfis Trujillo found hiding under a bed minutes after he was told to by Imbert Barreras to get the wheels moving for the coup, is a national hero?
Do you remember that beautiful photo of Antonio De La Maza lying dead riddled with bullets personally shot by Ramfis, the only real man left standing? Well, I **** on De La Maza's grave, not for love of Trujillo, but because I hated traitors, specially those who kill the one who made them somebody. For Anthony The Rapist was the terror of every teenage girl from Dajabon to Restauraci?n, picking up alongside the road with his Mercedes Benz loaded caravan every girl he could get his hands on. I remember how my sister was hidden as he passed by Loma de Cabrera during my days staying there because my dad was stationed there with the Foreign Legion protecting DR from the planned invasion by Fidel. DeLa Maza owned every lumber tree in the Dominican border mountains, including Nalga De Maco peak loaded with fine pine and mahogany, courtesy of Trujillo. Maza boy used to claim his desire for vengeance w/ Trujillo for killing his shister/con man brother Trujillo pilot. But his real goal was to be the next chapita. For there isn't a bigger "chapita" left than the coward who got a lucky shot at Trujillo, fake general Imbert, who now rides around with an escort caravan that has nothing to envy Generalissimo Leonel Fernandez', with a huge late bullet proof black Lincoln Continental bearing a brass front plate with 3 stars carved by an artist, 15 jeepetas with strobe lights and 4 motorcycle escorts wiping out every licenced plate car on its way.
Such is the life of our custom-made heroes promoted by Balcacer with his paper Dominican flags.
I was recently appalled to see the names of some streets and Metro Stations in Santo Domingo named after "new" heroes like Winston Arnaud(PRD darling), Mama Ting?, Am?n Abel, Hermanas Mirabal among many who never did anything, or even worked a day in their life.
 

jad604

Member
Nov 17, 2011
173
0
16
The real history is way too big for this thread, forum, or website. Entire cultures and races of indigenous people have annihilated, wiped out or enslaved for the benefit of other countries dictators their countries economies. Wake up people...