Good News - Greener aircraft will sooon serve the DR.

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Thomson Airways, one of the leading internataional airlines has taken delivery of the Dreamliner. Thomson flies frequently to the DR. The fuel saving should be significant. Also visitors to the DR should have a much better flying experience.

The engine is the Rolls Royce Trent 1000.


BBC News - 'Jetlag reducing' Dreamliner plane lands in UK
Trent 1000 - Rolls-Royce

Hopefully Air France will serve the DR with the A380.

Another green aircraft!

[video=youtube;LnVFDwJtIcM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnVFDwJtIcM[/video]

Trent 900 - Rolls-Royce

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beeza

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You're a year too early! Thomson aren't getting their B787's until May 2013 and they won't be on the Dom Rep routes for the foreseeable.

Maybe that's why you're calling it a dreamliner!

Today's current airliners are also exceptionally economical with the business model that most of the European carriers are employing. A FULL aircraft is an economic aircraft if you divide the number of fare paying passengers by the amount of fuel it burns.

For example an Airbus A330 carrying 330 passengers burns 50 tonnes of fuel from London to POP. That equates to 27 gallons per passenger. There isn't a car that could do that!
 

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The 787 is a beautiful aircraft, thus the nickname "Dreamliner", but as far as the A380, there is only one runway that is equipped to handle this aircraft in the DR, and that Las Americas, but the terminal is not equipped to handle the loading and unloading of passengers.......
 

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The 787 is a beautiful aircraft, thus the nickname "Dreamliner", but as far as the A380, there is only one runway that is equipped to handle this aircraft in the DR, and that Las Americas, but the terminal is not equipped to handle the loading and unloading of passengers.......
Air Austral is to have the A380 with 840 passengers takig delivery 2014. More green Airbus family aircraft are going into production.
Hopefully American airlines will order the A320neo for service to the DR. Virgin America is the launch customer. 15% fuel saings are claimed.
More consolidation in US airlines will hopefully lead to fuller flights and less fuel burn. If the US copies Europe/China with rail far less short haul flights will be necessary. UK, Belgium, France are linked by fast train services and from next year UK to Germany services start up. Of course services joining France, Germany, Spain etc. already exist and more are being planned. A greener planet!

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Air Austral is to have the A380 with 840 passengers takig delivery 2014. More green Airbus family aircraft are going into production.
Hopefully American airlines will order the A320neo for service to the DR. Virgin America is the launch customer. 15% fuel saings are claimed.
More consolidation in US airlines will hopefully lead to fuller flights and less fuel burn. If the US copies Europe/China with rail far less short haul flights will be necessary. UK, Belgium, France are linked by fast train services and from next year UK to Germany services start up. Of course services joining France, Germany, Spain etc. already exist and more are being planned. A greener planet!

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Consolidation could lead to higher prices! More competition is needed to keep the prices in check!
 
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This is still the greenest way to fly, have you tried this pi2?
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Consolidation could lead to higher prices! More competition is needed to keep the prices in check!
No, there are only 2 or 3 chartter services out of the UK to the DR - only one to Samana airport but prices are very reasonable compared with desinations such as Miami served by many carriers out ot the UK.

It is more efficient not to have to compete since load factors can be higher. In a large organisation staff utilisation is better and there is more bargainng power with aircraft manufacturers, aviation fuel suppliers, catering suppliers etc.

These savings are most times passed on to customers.

For example Cheap tickets :: Jetairfly.com : Home part of the giant tui group of airlines etc. offers low fares and has a monopoly or near monopoly on mann routes.
TUI AG

tuifly is its airline group.

TUI AG - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Because they are large and efficient they can order the latest fuel efficient airctraft.

Ditto KLM-AF group etc. etc.

Ryanair is another huge airline giving low fares.

http://www.ryanair.com/en

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By the way Ryanair hotels is open for business. DR hotels from 13 dollars per room per night for that green getaway for tose who love the verdant countryside of the DR. Up to 80% discount. Go green!

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Lack of competition within a marketplace leads to abuse of a dominant position by market participants, resulting in the ability of those dominant players to control prices and lead to a lack of competition within that marketplace. As an example look at the differences in flight prices between Canada with few airlines and the US with many airlines. Competition and regulatory authorities worldwide would most definitely dispute your theory that fewer participants within a marketace leads to lower prices. In fact, potential mergers of airlines in Canada have been vetoed by Canadian competition regulatory authorities due to the fact that such a merger would decrease competition in the marketplace leading to higher, not lower price for consumers.... But possible economies of scale for the merged entity.

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No, there are only 2 or 3 chartter services out of the UK to the DR - only one to Samana airport but prices are very reasonable compared with desinations such as Miami served by many carriers out ot the UK.

It is more efficient not to have to compete since load factors can be higher. In a large organisation staff utilisation is better and there is more bargainng power with aircraft manufacturers, aviation fuel suppliers, catering suppliers etc.

These savings are most times passed on to customers.

For example Cheap tickets :: Jetairfly.com : Home part of the giant tui group of airlines etc. offers low fares and has a monopoly or near monopoly on mann routes.
TUI AG

tuifly is its airline group.

TUI AG - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Because they are large and efficient they can order the latest fuel efficient airctraft.

Ditto KLM-AF group etc. etc.

Ryanair is another huge airline giving low fares.

Cheap Flights - Book cheap flights to Europe with Ryanair

pi2

You have no clue about this topic. Many airlines in the US are using fuel efficient planes already!
 

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Lack of competition within a marketplace leads to abuse of a dominant position by market participants, resulting in the ability of those dominant players to control prices and lead to a lack of competition within that marketplace. As an example look at the differences in flight prices between Canada with few airlines and the US with many airlines. Competition and regulatory authorities worldwide would most definitely dispute your theory that fewer participants within a marketace leads to lower prices. In fact, potential mergers of airlines in Canada have been vetoed by Canadian competition regulatory authorities due to the fact that such a merger would decrease competition in the marketplace leading to higher, not lower price for consumers.... But possible economies of scale for the merged entity.

Ella

I think the KLM-AF merger has produced economies of scale and these have been passed on the customer.
IAG has just taken over BMI. IAG already owns Iberia, BA.
BA owner's profits boosted by strong transatlantic demand | Business | The Guardian

Healhy profits enable large groups to invest in more efficient equipment and offer better service to customers with fuller aircraft. Overheads such as ticketing costs are reduced. In fact US airline prices with many competitors are more expensive than Europe with few competitors.
If your theory were true transatlantic fares, for example, US airlines would be much cheaper than AF-KLM, BA-Iberia, Lufthansa, Virgin ( 49% owned by Singapore group and has access to Singapore government capital).
Airlines such as Lufthansa have supervisory boards or other structures that represent the public interest.

Lufthansa - Corporate Governance & Compliance

With its ongoing expenditure in fleet renewal, the Lufthansa Group is
consistently making the fleet more cost-efficient and its operations more
environment-friendly

Lufthansa Airlines - Star Alliance

Look up fares from NY to Frankfurt on Expedia - US airlines are more expensive.

France has one organisation running its excellent train network, Germany also. Your theory is wrong - few good organisations with large market shares and access to capital benefit everyone.

Efficient large airlines help save the planet with their new equipment and green practices.

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No, there are only 2 or 3 chartter services out of the UK to the DR - only one to Samana airport but prices are very reasonable compared with desinations such as Miami served by many carriers out ot the UK.

It is more efficient not to have to compete since load factors can be higher. In a large organisation staff utilisation is better and there is more bargainng power with aircraft manufacturers, aviation fuel suppliers, catering suppliers etc.

These savings are most times passed on to customers.

For example Cheap tickets :: Jetairfly.com : Home part of the giant tui group of airlines etc. offers low fares and has a monopoly or near monopoly on mann routes.
TUI AG

tuifly is its airline group.

TUI AG - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Because they are large and efficient they can order the latest fuel efficient airctraft.

Ditto KLM-AF group etc. etc.

Ryanair is another huge airline giving low fares.

Cheap Flights - Book cheap flights to Europe with Ryanair

pi2

First of all, I can fly cheaper from Brussels to Miami, than I can fly from Brussels to Puerto Plata. Oh right, I cannot fly to POP anymore, as your great jetairfly scratched that destination. But even if I take Arkefly from Amsterdam to POP, it is more expensive than flying to Miami.

If you speak about a greener planet, take everything into calculation. If you have to take a taxi, and a train to get to the airport, and upon arrival you have to do the same again, you are polluting all the way, and the price has gone up as well.

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I think the KLM-AF merger has produced economies of scale and these have been passed on the customer.

Your theory is wrong - few good organisations with large market shares and access to capital benefit everyone.

Efficient large airlines help save the planet with their new equipment and green practices.

pi2.
Not a theory, pi2. Every member of the G20 has a competition authority to prevent corporate entities from manipulating the marketplace and competing unfairly. All potential mergers over a certain asset value MUST gain pre-clearance from the competition authorities in thejurisdictions in which they intend to operate PRIOR to the closing of the merger or risk having the merger vetoed or enduring forced divestiture of assets in order to prevent unfair competition, monopolies, etc. I think I know what I am talking about :)

You THINK the economies of scale have been passed on to the consumer in the cases you cite. I note that you do not offer proof of falling ticket prices as a result of the soaring corporate profits. Corporations care about their bottom line and that means operating efficiently. Corporations are not in the habit of handing back their profits to consumers, only to shareholders. Why would they? If the consumer continues to pay higher and higher prices, what corporation is going to lower their prices if they don't have to? That's just as silly as calling all casinos scammers :p

I do agree with your last sentence that I quoted above. I didn't bother quoting the rest of your post... It's just not worth it.

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Not a theory, pi2. Every member of the G20 has a competition authority to prevent corporate entities from manipulating the marketplace and competing unfairly. All potential mergers over a certain asset value MUST gain pre-clearance from the competition authorities in thejurisdictions in which they intend to operate PRIOR to the closing of the merger or risk having the merger vetoed or enduring forced divestiture of assets in order to prevent unfair competition, monopolies, etc. I think I know what I am talking about :)

You THINK the economies of scale have been passed on to the consumer in the cases you cite. I note that you do not offer proof of falling ticket prices as a result of the soaring corporate profits. Corporations care about their bottom line and that means operating efficiently. Corporations are not in the habit of handing back their profits to consumers, only to shareholders. Why would they? If the consumer continues to pay higher and higher prices, what corporation is going to lower their prices if they don't have to? That's just as silly as calling all casinos scammers :p

I do agree with your last sentence that I quoted above. I didn't bother quoting the rest of your post... It's just not worth it.

Ella

No, corporations have to act responsibly to the consumer in earning their profits. In many countries and many areas this is legislated for. An example is supervisory boards in Germany.
Governements fund research ( Airbus, Rail etc. )
RAILENIUM gets

In return they expect the industries such as the airline industry etc. to act responsibly, increase service to the public, etc.etc.

Look up the BA corporate responsiblity documents - I used to work indirctly for them and believe me the managers take it seriously.

BA hands profits back all the time - below cost specials, community development in the poorer areas they serve etc. etc.

UKTI and British Airways Help UK SME’s International Business Take Flight..

Staff have a culture of volunteering and it while a few projects generate publicity many are just a function of corporate responsibilit for profit.

Large efficient airlines generating reasonable profits are far better placed to contribute.

BA,s corporate aim is to become the World,s most responsible airline.Quote
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Our corporate responsibility

vision is to become the world’s

most responsible airline, and

we have developed guiding

principles that describe what we

are doing to achieve this goal.

end quote

I doubt if stupid edicts from the G20 are going to stop Germany France, GB etc. co-operating with major enterprises, rail, airlines etc. to nourish responsible sustainable enterpries.
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Pi2, staff volunteering and seat sales have little to no impact on a corporation's bottom line. While the generation of only "reasonable" profit may appeal to left centrists such as yourself, maximum profit is the modus operandi for all public companies who are responsible ONLY to their shareholders to provide maximum return. The advisory committees do not legislate a maximum profit, only that the corporations commit to a level of service and investment in R&D.

I think you are being naive to say the least. Please do some research on antitrust/competition law.
 

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Pi, you have a warped sense of how businesses work. On a basic level, savings are NOT generally passed on to customers, EXCEPT as required by competition. Supply and demand... supply and demand... did you hear me??? I'll say it one more time for you: SUPPLY AND DEMAND. CORPORATIONS ARE BY DESIGN NOT ALTRUISTIC. (Not even in your imagined paradise utopia of Great Britain or Europe.) If a company finds a way to save on costs, it does not pass those savings on to customers; it passes them on the the BOTTOM LINE, and thus on to the shareholders.


Ella... you hit the reply just before I did... LOL
 
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