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    Default Not such a great trip this time thanks to the policia nacional!

    Well, back from another trip to the DR . This time was not as before, this time I came up against the ugly side of the Policia Nacional.. in La Urena.. travelling with a friend in his nice car at 5 30pm after late lunch, on the main Las Americas highway , we are flagged down, rudely, to stop. In the middle of traffic. in the middle of multitudes of people. They come straight to my passenger side and tell me to get out and they were loud and impatient. My driver, a tour guide who works in Punta Cana but lives in that part of town, starts reaching for his licence and they tell him to get out. Outside, they rifle the car with flashlights, even demanding to know what was in my sunscreen. Then demand I empty my pockets, which were full of cash... maybe 8000 pesos , my wallet and camera. Their eyes bulged. They did not say what they wanted. My friend showed them all the right paperwork, but they got harsher and harsher. Then , and I dont know what happened, but my friend showed them a letter . They immediately backed off and said we can go. I was trembling I am not ashamed to say. Not because I had done anything wrong, but because I didn t understand the language fully, and it looked serious.... I have never met with this before in the 7 years I have been repeatedly travelling to Santo Domingo and La Caleta. I have come across cops who stop the moto and ask for a few pesos, but nothing ever as scary as this. I even buy cops beers and maybe a sandwich when I see them in la caleta. They never bother me. These guys were awful. I could hear them talking to my friend about " the gringo" . I am not made of glass but this was not part of my dream vacation package.I thought I was going to jail for nothing and was going to lose all my money. All these years I have been walking around the DR thinking I were immune and these things only happen to Dominicans there. I have told people here in the States whio have been scared of travelling in the DR that the police there dont harass tourists. They know better. Well now I know that is not true and it was a very rude awakening for me to come to terms with this. Maybe it s as well In find out now before I move there. I still love the DR and the people and a few bent cops are not going to ruin it for me, but I will always from now on be aware of what is going on and will never carry more than 2000 pesos with me in future.
    Just putting this out there for all those who maybe were on cloud nine like I used to be, believing the DR to be a perfect paradise for the likes of me....ah well,. readjusting my dreams...

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    Sorry you had the bad trip, a reality check had to kick in at some point, one can only go so long without a little dose, but glad you're not dampened down by the slap down.
    La Caleta is going through big change right now. All the long term Haitian residents are being driven out, the Haitian motos being taxed out of business and so driven out, so it is not a good time. This is not a residents vs residents thing, it is a PN thing, they are out of control. Good Neigbours of our family recently had their houses ransacked through the night, a couple of the women slapped about for standing up for themselves, no one now can employ a Haitian for fear of problems for themselves.
    i have been asking the family what has happened, how did all this start in why and how did this change about come so quickly. Haitians in La Caleta have got along pretty well for years, now they are leaving for the Eastcoast and central regions to avoid this BS.
    So, no, La Caleta is a place to avoid if you are foreign right now, Haitian, English, American or alien, seems it doesn't matter.
    im sure it will come to an end. Once people know what is going on, but it is out of the blue and people are confused right now.

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    that s sad man.... my friend has a beautiful home, nice car but may look a little darker than most... do you mean they could be looking at that? To be frank, they were not keen on me at all and I was tightlipped,,, gave no cheek,,,, so I think they were just out to get whomever they could... shame about the Haitian thing,,, though I have seen that before in la Caleta.. PN pulled up in a waggon one day outside of my colmado up in Campo Lindo and took off a number of guys.... me they just politely, told to sit back down.. even though I was reaching for my wallet and ID they weren t interested. that was about two years ago... the Haitians are havign a really bad time it seems... I eventualy saw the movie you sent me about the batey... very sad
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    Sorry you had the bad trip, a reality check had to kick in at some point, one can only go so long without a little dose, but glad you're not dampened down by the slap down.
    La Caleta is going through big change right now. All the long term Haitian residents are being driven out, the Haitian motos being taxed out of business and so driven out, so it is not a good time. This is not a residents vs residents thing, it is a PN thing, they are out of control. Good Neigbours of our family recently had their houses ransacked through the night, a couple of the women slapped about for standing up for themselves, no one now can employ a Haitian for fear of problems for themselves.
    i have been asking the family what has happened, how did all this start in why and how did this change about come so quickly. Haitians in La Caleta have got along pretty well for years, now they are leaving for the Eastcoast and central regions to avoid this BS.
    So, no, La Caleta is a place to avoid if you are foreign right now, Haitian, English, American or alien, seems it doesn't matter.
    im sure it will come to an end. Once people know what is going on, but it is out of the blue and people are confused right now.

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    Someone better wake up and smell the coffee. Same thing happened to about 6 of us on a recent trip, in seperate incidents. I wrote to all the airlines and hotels serving the area. 90% replied that it was not their problem. When tourism declines and they have empty hotels, then they will discover that it IS their problem, and they better put some pressure on the government now to stop it.

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    Not going to happen, if they cut down on Crime committed by the PN they would have to pay them a living salary. Tourism has been down for some years now and the PN are getting noticeably worse, so no, it is going to get worse until the playing field is completely deserted and they destroy their own hunting ground. As an ignorant species man hunted certain animals to extinction, didn't consider tomorrow, the aftermath of our actions. Consider PN the ignorant species of yesteryear in todays scenario in DR,it will drive the game so far into A/I land that they will have no more game to hunt/tax. Hence the rising taxation of Dominicans, they are already starting to show cannibalistic tendencies.
    Last edited by Givadogahome; 07-21-2012 at 12:02 PM.

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    Wow..I just had a bad experience a few days ago which leaves me wondering. In all the years I have been here I've never had it happen until now. Years ago it use to be they would just want a few pesos and were pretty decent about it. Now it is quite different. They pull you over and you don't know what they want, take you to jail, rob you, kill you, who knows.

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    Default The REALITY Of The DR Is,Choose the people,and places you hang out with,and IN!

    I NOW understand why you should never choose to befriend people in the DR,who you wouldn't be caught dead with ,OR,maybe you would ,in your home country????
    Would you be friends with the "Poorest" of the Poor"?
    Hotel maids,bartenders,"Animators",unemployed street sweepers,Pimps and Prostitutes,and "Ladrones" where you live.
    Would you sit drinking on a street corner,with you buying the drinks, for a bunch of freeloading drunks?
    Then why do you do that here???
    In the DR,they say,show me who you associate with,and I'll tell you who you are.
    We call it "Slumming" in the USA.
    That way,you can be a "Big Fish",in a "Small Pond"!
    And if you think all those "Maleducados" actually like you,close your wallet,and see how long the want to be your "Mejor Amigo"!!!!
    I know,I did all those things,and MORE,when I first started coming here more than 25 years ago.
    Back then at least it was safe,stupid,but not life threatening.
    You can't say that today!
    You either "Evolve",meaning stop acting like a "Barrio Rat" and really get to know a few Dominicans who have a job,a house,a car,an education,a "Mami Y Papi" both living with their children, and are more like the friends you associate with at "Home",or you will stop coming,or living in the DR!
    To those who wish to call me a "Classist", a"Racist",or an arrogant son-0f-a-bitch,you are wrong on the first two,spot on on the last one!
    I am just "Telling It Like It Is"!
    I have only a few really good Dominican "Amigos",and that includes,"La Familia".
    Some are even "POOR",but they all are hard working and give more than they take!
    Bottom Line,don't hang with dogs,if you don't want to be treated like one.
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    If you get stopped, ask for their names and numbers.
    If they do not give them, tell them to fu#$ off!

    They will not kill you and do something stupid, especially it's obvious you're a foreigner.
    They prey on the weak and scared, don't let them intimidate you.

    Oh yeah, Criss Colon's advice is golden, some of you need to open your eyes!

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    Consider PN the ignorant species of yesteryear in todays scenario in DR,it will drive the game so far into A/I land that they will have no more game to hunt/tax. Hence the rising taxation of Dominicans, they are already starting to show cannibalistic tendencies.
    Very well expressed.

    If you get stopped, ask for their names and numbers.
    If they do not give them, tell them to fu#$ off!

    They will not kill you and do something stupid, especially it's obvious you're a foreigner.
    They prey on the weak and scared, don't let them intimidate you.
    This too.

    If I may ask, amstellite, what was in that letter?

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    Amstel, i look at the facts as this. Nice car, nice house, tour guide from a tourist area. Did you ever think this guy does more than just tour guide. Usually PN does not pull this sh!t in the middle of rush hour on a busy road. Random target i think not.

    I believe the paper shown to the rude PN was from a higher ranking PN who allows the tour guide to operate. I believe a bottle of sun tan lotion would be an ideal place to hide a weeks worth of recreation. Get a new tour guide.............

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