Haiti;s Oil reserves

AlterEgo said:

Annie, these articles are from a couple of years back - has anything been done? Any drilling off Haiti at all?

If no, why not?

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well, one cannot actually start offshore oil drilling while the population wallows in tent cities still.. would not look right.. First have to secure the island.. then the beaches.. then the oil drilling rights.. then get housing built and the population settled.. it is a long term strategy maybe ten years or twenty..

the problem is the issue of Cuba .. tricky see.. and the government of Haiti which is not really a government to speak of.. in terms of giving out contracts.

Plus there is another BP gas rig just exploded in the Gulf of Mexico. It is very dicey work, this off shore drilling. BP of course.. was not a big hit..in their handling of their rig off LA if you will remember.

And it is a hurricane alley so even if there is oil.. it is a very delicate matter to get to it..

Plus the Haitians really do not even KNOW about it. There is massive disinformation on it. It was a miracle that clear report came up on a google search.

The conspiracy nuts like myself get all twitchy thinking when they read that the US military has the technolgy to maybe cause earthquakes and maybe they did this.. and how could I even imagine that??? dachau. that is how.

So yes, there is oil. But it happens to be in a place where it just might stay forever untapped.... who knows?

So for the US.. which HAS Haiti right now.. as in has the President and is training the government along with a team from Canada and England and, one can only hope, France.. That means that they have to hope that there is no rising from the left.. no pact with Chavez.. who is VERY well liked in Haiti. And Castro.. ditto..

None of the super powers are offering Haiti any sort of an attractive develpment package. None are offering development at all. They are offering exploitation.

Chavez right now is looking like a better partner.

So that is the board as I see it.

And Aristide is back in residence in Haiti and still the most popular man there.

When I say they are not offering development.. One of the first acts of the US was to try to ship in Monsanto sterile seeds after the Quake.. which was met with huge opposition even though they had no food.

Even though Clinton admited that the introduction of subsided US rice collapsed the rice industry.. and said how bad he felt about that,, and that he regretted it and was gonna have to live with it for the rest of his life.. the shipments of rice continue.. They now come in through the faith based initiative so it is doubly distructive.. because it gets distributed by Bible toters who make folks listen to the Gospel before they get their allotment. So it is Anti Voodul Rice.. Imperial Christian Rice.

The US is bringing in the Koireans to build a textile factory for the Haitians. They have spent two years on the design of the factory and how much space for the workers houses and pit toilets.

Most of the aid money has been eaten up now by the NGOs..

of course, the real estate business in PauP is booming.

Lots of construction. Mostly for the ngo workers

Listings for apartments now appear on Vivun

which is good because I may have to move..

so .. well.. there is always a silver lining, I guess...

I am wrong about the aid money.. Most of the promised aid money has simply not ARRIVED. But once there is some sort of assurance that there is gonna be a return on the proverbial bank for the buck on aid money.. well.. then it might come..

frankly.. there is complete aid fatigue on Haiti..

no one is gonna give another dime

the only thing that is gonna save Haiti is the neo liberal agenda

and it is the last thing that Haiti really wants

they have this silly idea of being a self sustaining little country.. that might be able to just be little laid back tourist destination. growing their own food and living in peace..

crazy.. i know.

Chip said:

The real problem are the Haitian politicians who want to get rich while their countrymen starve.

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oh puleese.. there really are no rich politicians in Haiti... go back to the DR thread

there are still some very rich cocaine dealers in Haiti who are in politics

when Preval came to office in 2006.. they allotted the Congressmen $25000 US each to buy A car since there is NO public transportation in Haiti. And there was a huge scandal when it was found that some of the legislators were charging their gas to the government.

i am sorry, of course there is public transportation in haiti.. there are open buses.. tap taps.. and taxis.. it cost me $35 to take a cab from down town paup to dinner at Petionville

I think that everyone on the international scene was sorta counting on Leonel to be able to pull this one off.. Because if he could pull it off there would be great stability here. AGAIN. And the investors could COUNT on that. And then.. well, WHOEVER they are. The one percent.. the Great Capitalist Horde. Or the Great Crooked Horde. Or whomever this luxury hide out was or is being designed for. .. would feel SAFE.. coming here. Like back in the old days under Duvalier when Haiti was a paradise destination.

but freedom is a messy thing.. once people get a taste of it.. well it is hard for them to go back into the dark

Chip said:

MA you've got more conspiracy theories than there are stars in the sky. The one thing that is for certain is that by far the majority of the exploiting in Haiti has been by it's leaders and elite.

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Unless. of course. One forgets about the Colonial history.. that would be from say. 1492 to 1990. Then well you are right

The dictatorship of Duvalier was supported by the US.. certainly YOU know that. Certianly everyone knows that.

Certainly everyone knows that Haiti was the victim of a virulent racism from the slave holding british and French and portugese..

certainly i am not talking to a group of uneducated idiots

certainly not.

and yes, indeed, i do entertain lots of conspiracy theory

ever since oswald did not shot kennedy

little things stick in the craw..

specially when they happen sorta live in front of one's eyes

you can only fool so many of the people so many of the time

look.. Haitians really HAVE nothing. So when you talk about them getting RICH.. well. You are not talking about Cisneros. Even Duvalier has come home and essentially been forgiven.. which is certainly a lot further along that this country has gotten with the memory of Trujillo.

Yes, there is theft. But I have found Haitians to be FAR more honest than Dominicans. Far more trustworthy. Far less likely to simply rob one... But there is ALWAYS gonna be some sorta con going on.. as long as we have everyting and they have nothing and we come in with the dribs and the drabs

if we had ever once just come in friendship and solidarity.. ever come to actually get them on their feet. get them self sustaining..

but we do not do that.

we come to exploit.

always have

guess we always will

white men

who needs them?

Big Dan said:

Haiti, through its own actions, has isolated itself from the world.

Haitians don't want help from other governments; they want other government's money, and not necessarily to rebuild.

I have visited the textile area in PaP and even met with a Korean owner briefly, right around shift change. This is a good investment. Virtually every worker walks into and out of the zone to work. Perhaps one day there will be more organized transportation, or perhaps workers could buy a motorcycle or scooter to get back and forth to work if some how it wouldn't be stolen while unattended.

If you bring Haitians jobs, they will work for pay. If you bring Haitians money, they will spend it.

If people bringing jobs can weather the corruption and theft that comes along with virtually everything in Haiti, perhaps eventually the sinkhole will fill enough for money to divert to education.

I don't see that happening in my lifetime.

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and let us go back about the isolation THROUGH its OWN ACTIONS

as in the FIRST FREE BLACK REPUBLIC

in the middle of SLaVE holding Empires such as England and France.. not really their own actions.

tht said:

How did the "specialists" identify these 20 so called oil sites?? The "specialists" have zero credibility. Modern exploration is high tech stuff.

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http://www.worldoil.com/haiti_could_have_larger_oil_reserves_than_venezuela.html

That source sites the Us Geological Survey. Looks like a pretty good source to me. The news circulated around the financial sectors then was covered in a lot of disinformation and speculation and it was very hard to find this source again on google. The French sources are even MORE full of disinformation.. completely going to the side of the conspiracy theoriest with the US having caused the earthquake specifically in order to occupy Haiti to secure the base for the oil. So the entire issue of the oil itself becomes.. well.. in question.

But look at the response to the Haitian earthquake... then look at the response to Katrina. And the response to NYC.

There were indeed a lot of American military boots on the ground in Haiti VERY fast.. Even though the FIRST aid plane to arrive in Haiti was from CHINA.


imagine that. hardly known for their humanitarian work.

Medicins Sans Frontier came in second and complained that they were not allowed .. to unload either but had to wait since the US held the airport and had to unload their troops first.

if you google haiti oil discovery.. you get over 9 million hits in .41 seconds

it is hard to generate that out of thin air