Declaro mis Derechos

neural said:

Are any of you fine posters familiar with this organization? It is a documentation and human rights initiative of the Peace Corps Dominican Republic. To the very poor in the Dominican Republic, without recognized birth
certificate (not born in hospital) a Dominican child cannot go to school, receive medical care, or receive
their national ID (cedula)at 18 years. Without cedula, said poor person cannot vote, get proper job, open bank account or go to college.

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A kid born in the DR to Haitian parents that got their pink BC is ABLE to attend school in the DR. For free in public schools of paying in local private schools.

A kid born in the DR to both Haitian parents (undocumented btw) can and will receive FREE hospital care in any public Hospital in the DR. No ID no Papers, service is rendered the same.

A Haitian kid born in the DR to both Haitian parents gets a pink BC which their parents can use to properly document him/her at the Haitian consulate/Embassy in the DR. The parents 99% of the time refuse to do this for two reasons:

#1: They want their kids to be recognized as DR citizens, not Haitians. This because like any parent in the world, would want the best opportunity for their kids in the world. They consider the Haitian nationality a dead end if born in the DR.

#2: The Haitian authorities in charge of documenting their own people have little interest in adding more heads to their debacle as it is now. They place so many obstacles to the parents, that they give up on the papers soon after.

I am interested in comments regarding the general state of these unfortunate people. What can be done?

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Truly a sad thing, of which both the DR and Haitian gov are guilty of creating.
What can be done? Well for starters provide these kids with their Haitian documents first and foremost. Give them an identity. With that in hand they rest is doable.

Is this ever going to change?

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Leaving it to the Haitian authorities? Never!

Leaving it to the DR authorities? In your dreams!

Creating the pressure so that the two work together to change this? Doable! But very hard to get there from zero.

Can one have human rights without the "proper paper"?

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Millions of people lack proper papers, and are still able to enjoy human rights. It's a matter of where, who, when and how.

And, in regard to the
many, many postings regarding the problems in Sousa, with those ladies; How many of them do you think have
proper paper?

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Most working ladies in Sosua come from Haiti or were born/raised in the DR side but from Haitian heritage. Before it wasn't the case. The great majority lacks any type of Documents and if they do, more than 2/3 of them are fake papers.

Do you think they would still choose to sell their flesh if they could get good job training or
proper education?

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If given a good paying job above of what they make out from prostitution? Why even ask!

If given the chance to work somewhere else to earn a pittance of a wage just to be the same after working long hours and with little rest? Why would they?

I bring up the subject of these ladies only as an example....not a subject of debate in
this thread.

Thank you in advance for your well thought responses to this documentation problem in the DR. Please be nice.

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Sure, no problem!

Stateless in the Dominican Republic

it is a growing problem

PICHARDO said:

Most working ladies in Sosua come from Haiti or were born/raised in the DR side but from Haitian heritage.

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One of Pichardo's better posts, but this sentence is untrue.

A sizable minority certainly, possibly even an increasing percentage, but "most" is manifestly untrue.

It is gratifying that Pichardo is not an expert on Sosua prostitution. We would lose respect for him if he were.

I have screwed a thousand Dominican women who had two Dominican parents, and a dominican cedula.
Pichardo is using this thread to try and separate dominicans from their haitian brothers.
The "OP" is asking about "Poor undocumented dominicans, "Pee Man's" response is about undocumented Haitians!
That's ONE of his "Agendas"!
MOST prostitutes working here are DOMINICANAS, and some even go to work in Haiti!
AND, tens of THOUSANDS all around the WORLD!!!!
Prostitutes are prostitutes for a huge number of reasons.
High on that list is they are LAZY!Imagine, making money and you don't even have to get out of bed!
# 1., is that men will pay women to have sex with them.
AND, women LOVE MONEY!!
We just have to find one we can afford!
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There are plenty of UNDOCUMENTED dominicans. two problems: either mom and dad don't have "papers" or mom and dad are too irresponsible to do the proper (FREE) paperwork.

And even without the "pink" paper, Haitian children can study in public schools here. HOWEVER, just like DOMINICAN children without birth certificates, they cannot take the prueba nacional in 8th grade.