Papal Nuncio vs US Ambassador

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It was an inevitable showdown. The Papal Nuncio had a party and did not invite the husband of the US Ambassador, Wally Brewster. But then the other Ambassadors,. notably the British, it says, said he would not attend.

from DR1 news

Papal Nuncio Okolo stood up by fellow diplomats

Arguing that the Dominican Constitution only recognizes different sex marriages and that the husband of US ambassador James Brewster is registered in the Ministry of Foreign Relations as a "dependent" and not a spouse, Papal Nuncio Jude Thaddeus Okolo did not invite Brewster's husband, Bob Satawake, to a planned cocktail reception for diplomats in honor of President Danilo Medina. The event had to be cancelled when fellow ambassadors caught on to what had happened and chose to not attend. In a 22 January letter to Okolo, who is the dean of the diplomatic service, British ambassador Steven Fisher reportedly explained he would not attend, indicating that the decision not to invite the US ambassador's husband was unjustified discrimination against a member of the diplomatic corps. He had suggested to Okolo on 18 January that all be included in the invitation.

Diplom?ticos rechazaron la invitaci?n de Okolo que discrimin? al embajador Brewster - Acento
 

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Discrimination, pure BS. WTF did you expect to happen. Would Obama have the balls to send an openly gay ambassador to the Vatican. Would they recognize the 6 wives of an Arab diplomat? Hell no. Just another attempt by the left to bully a small country to conform to their beliefs. The catholic church is against gay marriage and by not having the spouse listed as one the US knows gay marriage is a no go in the DR. Both ambassadors should be recalled and replaced with diplomats that respect Dominican culture. And maybe speak Spanish.............
 

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He should have been sent to Greece!!!!!
The point is NOT that Obama choose an openly gay activist as an ambassador, it's that he knew that the DR would have "problems" with his selection.
I heard that the "Vira Wang" now has to be returned!
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So if a country sent a black ambassador, or an ambassador with a black spouse to apartheid South Africa, or a Jewish ambassador to Nazi Germany, a female ambassador to Iran or Afghanistan, and the 'dean' (whatever that means) of the diplomatic corps excluded them or their spouses from an official reception, that would have been OK too.

ETA the US did send a black ambassador to apartheid South Africa, should they have not done so, out of respect for the local laws or "culture"?
 

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So if a country sent a black ambassador, or an ambassador with a black spouse to apartheid South Africa, or a Jewish ambassador to Nazi Germany, a female ambassador to Iran or Afghanistan, and the 'dean' (whatever that means) of the diplomatic corps excluded them or their spouses from an official reception, that would have been OK too.

Well certainly not okay - but I bet the result would have been the same.....
 

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The Black spouse could have eaten in the kitchen, and I doubt any American Jew would have accepted the post!
SEE, I'm a Diplomat!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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"Dean" usually means the person who is an "Elder Statesman", an "Expert, most "Respected" member of a group.
As IN,..."CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC is the "Dean" of DR1 posters"!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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He should have been sent to Greece!!!!!
The point is NOT that Obama choose an openly gay activist as an ambassador, it's that he knew that the DR would have "problems" with his selection.
I heard that the "Vira Wang" now has to be returned!
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Que opine...Opinio!

jaja

Esto es un gancho!

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Criss Colon

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Just happy someone "Got It"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Great "Visual" anyway!
"Ladies and gentlemen,.......................
"The American Ambassador and ????????????????????????"

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Chirimoya

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The Black spouse could have eaten in the kitchen, and I doubt any American Jew would have accepted the post!
SEE, I'm a Diplomat!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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"Dean" usually means the person who is an "Elder Statesman", an "Expert, most "Respected" member of a group.
As IN,..."CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC is the "Dean" of DR1 posters"!!!!!!!!!!!
Much as we value your "expertise" and respect you, CC, even you would probably agree that that crown should go to HB. You can be "first princess" - as it were.
 

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"HB",.is the "Dean Emeritus"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm still a "Wanna BE"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He is MUCH older, and therefore Wiser.
If I had only followed his "RULES For Dating A Dominican" 20 years ago?????????????????????????????
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umm...slow down. we recently had a state dinner for the president of France. It was intended that his girlfriend would attend and protocol would have given her the status of a wife. where she was seated, her position in the receiving line.
should orthodox jews have refused to attend. Should extreme fundamentalist christians have refused to attend. Should the bishop of Dc have refused to attend. Not if they want to have influence. It is not an INSULT to the dr to send a person the president in his sole authority chose to assign a post which is usually provided as a gratuity of service to the president. This isn't just patronage. The president needs to be assured that officers of the state department speak with his voice. and, btw, it is sending a message that this president and an rapidly increasing majority of your fellow citizens are telling you to grow up and get over it.

Now, that Papal Nuncio has the right to invite anyone to his residence he chooses. However he invites communists and in previous times likely fascists to sit down and dine. likely representatives of governments which allow abortion and capital punishment. He sits down and breaks bread with them. but all of a sudden he gets a shiver because the seating chart is gonna be boy girl boy boy boy girl. get over it. If an ambassador is recently widowed he would bring his sister. It is not just for married couples, unless he stated it on his invitation. I also hope he stated that those married couples are not permitted to engage in anything other standard five minutes no contraception and only to make baby to venerate god.

I don't care what religion you belong to. But if you are zealot then you don't get to pick items off the shelf. no shopping cart. you gotta buy the whole store. nobody who has had sex out of wedlock should have been invited.

You don't wanna sell me a cake fine. but do I get to ask you about your private sexual practices when you have a cake on offer? should the cake baker be required to disclose there feelings publicly. no shirts, no shoes, no homos, no mixed race, no flip flops and dishevelled people may shop here.

UH UH. NO WAY. not in a public sphere. private yes. but then you are driving your delivery truck down a public road.

It would not be disrespectful to have henry kissinger as an ambassador to germany.

Oh, and by the way, the catholic church is against any marriage that isn't performed by a catholic priest. If you are really a catholic, then you don't recognize the validity of other religions. they are heretics. Now likely you don't walk down the street and tell your neighbors they are heretics. because you want to get along. If the nuncio wants to have influence in his position he's gotta play nice.

also, I wonder if the papal nuncio is going to buy a new dress for the occasion and if his silk shoes will match or coordinate. PUULEEASE!!!



Discrimination, pure BS. WTF did you expect to happen. Would Obama have the balls to send an openly gay ambassador to the Vatican. Would they recognize the 6 wives of an Arab diplomat? Hell no. Just another attempt by the left to bully a small country to conform to their beliefs. The catholic church is against gay marriage and by not having the spouse listed as one the US knows gay marriage is a no go in the DR. Both ambassadors should be recalled and replaced with diplomats that respect Dominican culture. And maybe speak Spanish.............
 

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umm...slow down. we recently had a state dinner for the president of France. It was intended that his girlfriend would attend and protocol would have given her the status of a wife. where she was seated, her position in the receiving line.
should orthodox jews have refused to attend. Should extreme fundamentalist christians have refused to attend. Should the bishop of Dc have refused to attend. Not if they want to have influence. It is not an INSULT to the dr to send a person the president in his sole authority chose to assign a post which is usually provided as a gratuity of service to the president. This isn't just patronage. The president needs to be assured that officers of the state department speak with his voice. and, btw, it is sending a message that this president and an rapidly increasing majority of your fellow citizens are telling you to grow up and get over it.

Now, that Papal Nuncio has the right to invite anyone to his residence he chooses. However he invites communists and in previous times likely fascists to sit down and dine. likely representatives of governments which allow abortion and capital punishment. He sits down and breaks bread with them. but all of a sudden he gets a shiver because the seating chart is gonna be boy girl boy boy boy girl. get over it. If an ambassador is recently widowed he would bring his sister. It is not just for married couples, unless he stated it on his invitation. I also hope he stated that those married couples are not permitted to engage in anything other standard five minutes no contraception and only to make baby to venerate god.

I don't care what religion you belong to. But if you are zealot then you don't get to pick items off the shelf. no shopping cart. you gotta buy the whole store. nobody who has had sex out of wedlock should have been invited.

You don't wanna sell me a cake fine. but do I get to ask you about your private sexual practices when you have a cake on offer? should the cake baker be required to disclose there feelings publicly. no shirts, no shoes, no homos, no mixed race, no flip flops and dishevelled people may shop here.

UH UH. NO WAY. not in a public sphere. private yes. but then you are driving your delivery truck down a public road.

It would not be disrespectful to have henry kissinger as an ambassador to germany.

Oh, and by the way, the catholic church is against any marriage that isn't performed by a catholic priest. If you are really a catholic, then you don't recognize the validity of other religions. they are heretics. Now likely you don't walk down the street and tell your neighbors they are heretics. because you want to get along. If the nuncio wants to have influence in his position he's gotta play nice.

also, I wonder if the papal nuncio is going to buy a new dress for the occasion and if his silk shoes will match or coordinate. PUULEEASE!!!

They should have sent him to Saudi Arabia. I'm sure they would have accepted the same-sex couple without a problem, right.
 

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You know it has to be bad when we're reduced to comparing ourselves to beacons of tolerance like Saudi Arabia...

On a lighter note, the former nuncio featured in one of the weekend carnival processions
El Caribe ? Color y creatividad en cierre del carnaval 2014

Los emprendedores de Cristo Rey con el tema “La invasi?n del Vaticano” fue una de las 51 comparsas que desfilaron en el Distrito Nacional. Los j?venes simularon al papa Juan Pablo II, quien daba la bendici?n desde su papam?vil, seguido por Benedicto XVI y finalmente el exnuncio J?zef Wesołowski encerrado en una celda, a este le antecedi? un letrero que dec?a “abusador pederasta, a la c?rcel”.
 

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We have to make up our minds, we are in XXI century, in all families some body is gay, Church is full of gays, and protec pedofile gays inside the church, and also protec pedofile pastors, Dominican Rep. is full of gays, most of them Hiden, others with wife and kids, so all of this is a big joke about Church and society. The bible says a lot things and you can learn on how to be better person, and says also a lot things that wrote some body acording of the moment in the century.

Before the woman was under the man, and bible says that wife must respect his husband, but what about the husband? he does not have to respect the wife? all of us know that now women is next to the men with same oportunities and rights, so acording the bible that is a Sin because now women are working as hard as a men and can do the same things as men can do.

We just have to respect each other in our decitions or whatever you wanna call of who I want to go to bed, live, love orjust have fun. If that is something that do not afect you, then why you care about it. That is something that has existfrom the begining of the world, My god love me just as I am.

I will just finishe with one question, and i hope you can answer.

When did you decide to be straight?

so we have the same answer for that question as you.
 
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This is truly silly. The invitations to embassy functions are unimportant in the extreme. The US has no obligations to confirm to the peculiarities of the Vatican or anyone else.
 

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I'd live to hear from someone who knows about diplomacy. I mean, there must be guidelines for choosing what kind of person to send abroad to represent your country. So, are you supposed to send someone who would fit it and will be accepted? or are you supposed to send someone who represents your country's ideals, even if they're very different? I know a lot of people in the U.S. are actually very conservative, but what I mean is that the country is working on marriage equality.

While there are many gay people here, there are not gays with husbands.That's what seems to pis$ people off!
 

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I'd live to hear from someone who knows about diplomacy. I mean, there must be guidelines for choosing what kind of person to send abroad to represent your country. So, are you supposed to send someone who would fit it and will be accepted? or are you supposed to send someone who represents your country's ideals, even if they're very different? I know a lot of people in the U.S. are actually very conservative, but what I mean is that the country is working on marriage equality.

While there are many gay people here, there are not gays with husbands.That's what seems to pis$ people off!

Let'$ keep this $imple: The rea$on people are appointed as amba$$ador$ is because they ki$$ed the a$$ of the .$person who appointed them and $upported their election campaign$. Pure patronage.
 

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Wesolowski would have probably enjoyed being seated next to the US ambassador's "Significant Other"!
They could exchange "Kiddie Porn" on their iPhones!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AND,...Phone #s!
"Two's Company, Three's An ORGY"!!!!!!!
"Who's On First",..."What's On Second",..."I Don't Know's On Third"!!!!!!
"BUTT",,...'Who's On TOP"????????????????????????????????????
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