Feb 27th, Independence from what?

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What are the Dominicans celebrating, if you don't mind? Independence - that happened in the 1800s? Duarte? etc?
 

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What are the Dominicans celebrating, if you don't mind? Independence - that happened in the 1800s? Duarte? etc?

To resume, in 1821 we signed our independence from Spain with not battle, was a good terms of divorce, so while we was a babe country in 1822 Haitians take over the whole island.

They kill a lot Dominicans and destroyed a lot cities, supressed spanish speaking as a language and replaced by french, also changed the name to this part to Saint Domingue.

Duarte was the brain of our independence, also one of the people that suported the project of the independence, he has to sold his properties to make his dream come true, he received help from Francisco del Rosario Sanchez and Matias Ramon Mella and many others. He created a secrect society call La Trinitaria, that consisted to conquest every person of the La Trinitaria 3 more people and so on, to make the society strong and get their goals of be a free nation.

They hide their real porpose of the society celebrating presentations with actors, butthe mean reason for that was to find an excuse to make meettings.

The haitians took over whole island for 22 years of opression, so in 1844 we was ready to fight, we had diferent battles pushing back haitians to his side because they tryed to come over and over again.

the end.
 

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Yes Anne but February 27th is celebrated as independence from Haiti.


It's ANNA ;) and I guess this part though me off.

Happy Independence Day! Today, the Dominican Republic celebrates its 168 years of Independence! The Dominican Republic, is a country which has, from the beginning fought for its freedom ? having been colonized by Spain as well as been invaded by French and Haitian troops, so here we bring you the fascinating history of the Dominican Republic, Dominican Independence Day, as well as Dominican cultures and traditions celebrated on this very special day. - See more at: Casa de Campo Living - February 27th is Dominican Independence Day! | Casa de Campo Living
 
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The DR got its independence from (1) Spain, then (2) Haiti, then (3) Spain again, and then the (3,4) Americans invaded twice, and left twice. There were some other Haitian invasions after 1844, but they did not include the entire country. The major Independence holiday celebrates independence from Haiti.
 

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It's ANNA ;) and I guess this part though me off.

Happy Independence Day! Today, the Dominican Republic celebrates its 168 years of Independence! The Dominican Republic, is a country which has, from the beginning fought for its freedom – having been colonized by Spain as well as been invaded by French and Haitian troops, so here we bring you the fascinating history of the Dominican Republic, Dominican Independence Day, as well as Dominican cultures and traditions celebrated on this very special day. - See more at: Casa de Campo Living - February 27th is Dominican Independence Day! | Casa de Campo Living

actually is 170 years, its since 1844
 

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The DR got its independence from (1) Spain, then (2) Haiti, then (3) Spain again, and then the (3,4) Americans invaded twice, and left twice. There were some other Haitian invasions after 1844, but they did not include the entire country. The major Independence holiday celebrates independence from Haiti.
Yes, but the real fight for independence was against the jodones from the west. Actually, we probably had the longest war of independence of any country in the Western Hemisphere and possibly among the longest in the world.

The war lasted from 1844 to 1856, thanks to Haitian military invasion attempts in 1844, 1845, 1849, 1853, and 1856. In 1821 we thought we were independent only to see it ruined in less than two months (everyone knew it wasn't wise to be independent with a neighbor that had imperialistic ambitions, even if it was limited to the island; that is why we unsuccessfully tried to join the Gran Colombia as soon as the 1821 independence was secured; in fact, the Spanish flag was replaced with the flag of the Gran Colombia), so that was not a real independence and we didn't even had to fight anyone, it was done by the signing of a piece of paper. Not a single gun shot, no a drop of blood, not much commotion except for the governor who was given a slight scare.

Our independence was declared on the 27th of February of 1844 and the declaration of war against Haiti was not made until April of the same year. The only reason the DR declared war against Haiti "by sea and land" was because the Haitian military was mistreating all the Dominicans they found along the way as they penetrated Dominican territory. Even the civilian population, including Dominican priests, women, and children; found along the way, the Haitian soldiers submitted to mistreatment, including not giving enough food to the Dominican prisoners putting their survival at risk. When news reached Santo Domingo that not only the Haitians had violated the border (again), but the Haitian soldiers were also mistreating the Dominican civilian population and not properly taking care of the Dominicans they took as prisoners of war; the Dominican authorities reacted promptly.

Even in the actual official declaration of war it states that while Dominican authorities treated the Haitian governors, military men, and other Haitian prisoners of war along with their families with the greatest level of respect towards their basic needs; the brutish way the Haitian military was treating the Dominicans was enough to break all pretensions of solving the issue diplomatically. It even says that Dominican authorities felt insulted that every single letter the Dominican government sent to Port-au-Prince declaring that the desire of the Dominicans had finally come true and that the then new Dominican government was willing to sign treaty of peace, trade and cooperation with Haiti; that the Haitian authorities didn't even bother to respond to them.

I will translate the declaration of war that started the Dominican war for independence two months after the actual independence had taken place and I will post it here sometime tomorrow.

The one thing that I'm certain about is that had the Haitians not been as belligerent towards the Dominicans, the independence would had been as smooth and bloodless as the ephemeral independence of 1821, with a simple signing of pieces of paper settling the deal.
 
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There is actually an unsettled debate among Spanish historians on whether its appropriate to consider the Spanish territories as colonies, because they were not administered in the same manner that the British or the French administered their colonies, with those and other European colonial countries actually referring to their overseas territories as colonies. In fact, one of the reasons the 13 British colonies decided to break ties with Britain was because the latter was imposing taxes on the former without giving them equal recognition as integral parts of Britain. That's where the Boston Tea Party ordeal comes from with the famous saying "no taxation without representation."

The Spanish territory was immediately designated as new kingdoms within the Kingdom of Castilla. The Spanish never referred to their territories as colonias, but rather as reynos (actual spelling from the era) and later provincias. In the Spanish Constitution of 1812, where it mentions the territory of Spain, it speaks of Las Espa?as, the Spains in plural. Plus, in that constitution all the provinces were represented in the Cortes de C?diz (sort of the Spanish Congress or Parliament) on equal levels between the provinces on the Iberian peninsula and the provinces in America plus the Philippines.

The only province that was given a special treatment above all the other provinces, including above the provinces on the Iberian peninsula, was the provincia espa?ola de Santo Domingo which was the only exempt from population size requirements to qualify for having its interests represented in the Cortes with its very own diputado. Provinces that had less than a certain amount of residents were usually subjugated to the nearest province, and in the case of Santo Domingo that meant that it had to be subjugated to the province of Puerto Rico, meaning that Santo Domingo was not technically qualified for having its very own diputado in the Cortes. To prevent this "humiliation" it was written right in the Constitution itself that Santo Domingo was exempt from that requirement and the reason was simple:

Santo Domingo was la madre de las provincias espa?olas en Am?rica, la primada de Am?rica, etc.

Contrary to what has been written by some Dominican historians, it sure does seems that Santo Domingo was held with high esteem by the Spanish powers that be in order to give this privilege that not even the provinces on the Spanish peninsula itself were granted with.
 
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I guess that explains why I see Haitians treated as street dogs throughout the country.
I don't see that, and I see a lot of Haitians everyday. Haitian kids on their way to Dominican schools, Haitian workers getting paid for construction work, Haitian women with their babies or ready to pop, the Haitian doctor dropping his kid off at the school, ...etc; everyone of them treated the same as everyone else.
 
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There are different attitudes in the DR about Haitians Dominicans KNOW (who they generally treat as they do other Dominicans) and Haitians in the theoretical sense (who are the goblins of history).
 

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Speaking of Google. Google.com.do dedicated their doodle today to The Dominican Republic.

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If you click on the doodle https://www.google.com.do/search?site=&q=Independencia+de+la+Rep%C3%BAblica+Dominicana&oi=ddle&ct=dominican-republic-independence-day-2014-6549542396755968-hp&rlst=f&hl=es-419&biw=1366&bih=643&dpr=1 it will tell you all about The DR.
 

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It's "OK" Anna, most Dominicans have no idea either!
I asked a few.
I said ""What are we celebrating today"?????
"Duarte's birthday" was the BEST response! :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
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